Botting Nerfed yet Earning Time not

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  • Jadsia - Lost City
    Jadsia - Lost City Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Botters are one of the causes of inflation.


    If bot got R9 during 8 month,
    then hundreds other players got highest gold prices.

    Nothing in universe comes from nothing and thing can't disappear into nothing.

    Except when that something is mere pixels in a video game.

    Inflation started many years ago when anni packs were introduced. Then inflation again when r9 in the cash shop was introduced. Gold prices have increased 16 times its value since then and only doubled in price when botters were introduced.

    As I just stated the botters have been neutered and yet no significant deflation. Hmmmm.....
    I **** bigger than you...

    Shut up and play the game.....Damn
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Jadsia - Lost City wrote: »
    Inflation started many years ago when anni packs were introduced. Then inflation again when r9 in the cash shop was introduced. Gold prices have increased 16 times since then and only doubled in price when botters were introduced.

    As I just stated the botters have been neutered and yet no significant deflation. Hmmmm.....

    Do you expect some changes of situation, caused by bots during year or more, during few days ?

    And I said, that bots are one of the causes of inflation.

    As I understand, one of the biggest.
  • Jadsia - Lost City
    Jadsia - Lost City Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Do you expect some changes of harm, caused during year or more, during few days ?

    And I said, that bots are one of the causes of inflation.

    As I understand, one of the biggest.

    Then neutering the botters should have had a significant effect. I mean there aren't many botting besides me. Problem should have been resolved. And yeah, this significant of a change should have had an effect by now. A massive amount of coin being generated into the system suddenly stopped leaving a whole lot of people and the economy instantly cut off from a steady source of income. An effect should have been noticed.

    And LOL! Items introduced into the CS causes a 16 fold increase in inflation and botters cause inflation to double and you still want to claim that botters caused more of the problem. Just LOL!

    P.S. Just noticed the prices for raps and cannies creeping back up on my server. I suppose you'd call that inflation too but the rest of us simply call it the effects of supply and demand.
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    Shut up and play the game.....Damn
  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Do you know, when bots were introduced in pwi ?

    What you had quoted ?

    2010 year ?

    Why not 2008 ?

    Edit:
    SweetieBot, you one only can help players to understand, where are necro threads.

    My point, which you missed completely again.... Is about an inability to reverse DQ nerf pricing. But please do continue being an idiot. A necro would be me responding to an old thread, not me pulling it up for reference.
  • Toliman - Raging Tide
    Toliman - Raging Tide Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Aubree - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    My point, which you missed completely again.... Is about an inability to reverse DQ nerf pricing. But please do continue being an idiot. A necro would be me responding to an old thread, not me pulling it up for reference.
    The DQ price change was originally made because of rampant gold-farming in the Chinese version of the game. It's a drastic measure, but one that was deemed necessary on their end.

    I had quoted those post.

    And it clearly say to us, why we have new change now:
    "The DQ price change was originally made because of rampant gold-farming in the OUR version of the game. It's a drastic measure, but one that was deemed necessary on OUR end."

    If frankieraye could be here, he could tell you same.

    Do you see any similarity between those Chinese version and our current version ?

    Because I see.
    P.S.
    Description of our pwi version of 2010 is old in comparison with description of game 2014.

    You quoted post without any relation to our current situation.

    More, many times GMs said to us, that DQ system can be restored and we have sticked thread above.
    Also it is impossible, while we have BOTS.
  • Jadsia - Lost City
    Jadsia - Lost City Posts: 1,322 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I had quoted those post.

    And it clearly say to us, why we have new change now:
    "The DQ price change was originally made because of rampant gold-farming in the OUR version of the game. It's a drastic measure, but one that was deemed necessary on OUR end."

    If frankieraye could be here, he could tell you same.

    Do you see any similarity between those Chinese version and our current version ?

    There is absolutely no similarity between the botting problem in the PWCN version and the auto culti use in PWI. None. PWCN has bot armies of 200+ or more just from a single person. And there's a whole lot of people with bot armies like that on PWCN. Nothing like that has ever existed on PWI ever.

    80+ dq and drop nerf occurred on PWCN last september. And just like the previous dq nerf on PWCN when PWI had no auto culti system we got that nerf too. Nowhere does it say that PWI got the DQ nerf because of the auto culti. We got it because PWCN got it. Why the hell do you think PWI got the dq nerf long before auto culti existed in this version? Your reasoning isn't making any sense at all.
    I **** bigger than you...

    Shut up and play the game.....Damn
  • Cotillion - Dreamweaver
    Cotillion - Dreamweaver Posts: 671 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yay! b:victory
    DQ and drops for bots is down to 1 gold, so the inflation will stop hard.
    People will run out of coin, so let the deflation begin!!

    However, earning time, has not been restored. It was a good way to put limitations on bots and farming, but now that it has been nerfed, why hasn't earning time been removed or extended.

    Especially during holidays or weekend times, where people would like to farm and get money and get gears, if you limit their time, well its like hey, we don't want you to farm or level too fast...
    8 Hours also goes really fast; by the time you get done doing dailies, bh, and other instances liike FSP, you've already lost an hour or 2. b:cry

    At least, each instance or location could have its own earning time. So limit the amount someone farms 1 stance over and over again, but then they could do something else, without being penalized....

    Why we have earning time :

    The Chinese government has shown increasing concern over what it perceives as problems with the addictions to and negative influences from video games. In an effort to combat addiction in online gaming for example, time restrictions have been implemented, which hamper the players capabilities in game, creating incentive to take a break.

    This is where PWI comes from, we have earning time for this reason. Not because of bots and has nothing to do with our farming habits here in North America, but because it's part of the PWCN version and they're not taking it out and making a different version for us, the much much smaller audience.
  • LostPoet - Dreamweaver
    LostPoet - Dreamweaver Posts: 396 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Cotillion - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Why we have earning time :

    The Chinese government has shown increasing concern over what it perceives as problems with the addictions to and negative influences from video games. In an effort to combat addiction in online gaming for example, time restrictions have been implemented, which hamper the players capabilities in game, creating incentive to take a break.

    This is where PWI comes from, we have earning time for this reason. Not because of bots and has nothing to do with our farming habits here in North America, but because it's part of the PWCN version and they're not taking it out and making a different version for us, the much much smaller audience.

    That doesn't stop me from doing other things on other toons or things uneffected by earning time.
    AEU and PV are not effected. So i can farm my 8 Hours, Spam AEU, do my 2 token PV runs.
    Then put that toon into reflection, and jump on my wizi and farm something else with another 8 hours. Oh and he has been reflecting for the 12 hours I spent on my sin farming.

    If people want to do things more than 8 hours, they will find a way. Its simply the way it is.
    Personally, I haven't hit the 8 hour mark on farming weekends and holidays, but i'm much more casual about farming then some players. But I hate to have a number hanging over my head all day saying hey, manage your time wisely....
    Its unnecessary....
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    LostPoet - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yay! b:victory
    DQ and drops for bots is down to 1 gold, so the inflation will stop hard.
    People will run out of coin, so let the deflation begin!!

    However, earning time, has not been restored. It was a good way to put limitations on bots and farming, but now that it has been nerfed, why hasn't earning time been removed or extended.

    Especially during holidays or weekend times, where people would like to farm and get money and get gears, if you limit their time, well its like hey, we don't want you to farm or level too fast...
    8 Hours also goes really fast; by the time you get done doing dailies, bh, and other instances liike FSP, you've already lost an hour or 2. b:cry

    At least, each instance or location could have its own earning time. So limit the amount someone farms 1 stance over and over again, but then they could do something else, without being penalized....
    Fret not!

    PWI will likely also be adding a new Labor Points system too soon!     b:victory
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  • Aubree - Dreamweaver
    Aubree - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,868 Arc User
    edited December 2014
    Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I had quoted those post.

    And it clearly say to us, why we have new change now:
    "The DQ price change was originally made because of rampant gold-farming in the OUR version of the game. It's a drastic measure, but one that was deemed necessary on OUR end."

    If frankieraye could be here, he could tell you same.

    Do you see any similarity between those Chinese version and our current version ?

    Because I see.
    P.S.
    Description of our pwi version of 2010 is old in comparison with description of game 2014.

    You quoted post without any relation to our current situation.

    More, many times GMs said to us, that DQ system can be restored and we have sticked thread above.
    Also it is impossible, while we have BOTS.

    That is not what Frankie said.... NO I do not see the comparison... Did you watch the vid I posted? OFC NOT that would be too much like right.

    PWCN has a bot problem unlike any we will ever see here. The DQ nerf wasn't due to PLAYERS gaining too much coin but GOLD FARMERS gaining that coin... I still see no comparison.

    PWCN introduced ingame bot to help the players.... do you think they did it to help GOLD FARMERS? Nope because gold farmers don't even use clients, their bots are clientless and can load 100+ toons for farming...


    NO comparison b:bye

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