BM and Heart of Steel

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

Demon HF> ACCed DB > lolpurify

>Not a stunlock.

Sage can do that, too.

Are you sure it's me that doesn't know how this game works? xD

Your argument comes down to "Sage BMs are all ****" which is just hilarious at best. I'm the one sitting here constantly arguing against demons that sage is viable, then arguing against the sages that say demon is bad because the fact is both are very much equal, just different playstyles. Demon is for more aggressive players and sage is for more passive players. Having been both I will never switch back.

Demon was great for PK, and it came in handy when barbs were actually hard to kill for the longer HF, locking a single target was easier...Extra time in DB was priceless.

But as I stopped PKing and focused more on TW I switched to sage. At first it felt like a mistake, but as time went on I adjusted to the way the sage skills work. Now in modern PWI a well timed HF needs only 3 seconds, so even level 10 will eliminate most targets. Single target stuns are much MUCH less important in TW as you should be focusing on groups, sins are better at taking out individual targets, and battles are overall shorter. Demons "bursts" of all their best skills are better, but a sage can unleash them more consecutively. Any sage that claims they went sage for the chi management is funny because the chi management isn't even better. You still need two sparks to cast HF, you don't rely on 33% chance on Dragon Rising, Ferocious Leap is just a time-filler in TW, and overall the chi argument is negligible.

There is no denying that demon is better in PK, but at least here on RT server, PK is dead and full of try-hard kids trying to measure their egos, surely a ruler would be easier. In TW, demon is still very good, but sage is on par. Yes, certain individual skills look better, but you have to do more than look at the skills and look directly at the application of those skills. In TW you don't use DR to lock a target you do it to prevent Purify Spell, and if you are doing it to prevent Purify, there are probably multiple people attacking the same target. I doubt, and I know, that 1.5 seconds only makes a serious difference in 1v1, and as I said, that's why demon is better in PK (among other reasons). I agree demon HF is better, but I disagree if you think HF needs to be better in the first place. If you time it right not much time is needed at all, even 6 seconds is overkill when you have a squad with even one member that can deal 20k+ on an endgame barb with HF on them (Psys mostly, at least on RT) and another couple AoE's going on in the HF-zone.

Neither is better, to think one is better is to not understand how the game works in a way I personally can't comprehend. Yes I'd like some of those demon skills on my sage BM, but more as a fail safe than them being more necessary. In case the target ADs have the extra 3 seconds, or I can force their genie in cooldown anyway by playing smart. The phrase "Work Smart Not Hard" comes to mind.

Lol...Evading everything I said. This thread is derailed, if a mod sees this, just close it. Enough association with arrogant dolts.

No sage has an opinion that matters.