Bots - Detrimental to the future of PWI? Or a necessity?

Yeah hope fully that will kill some of the annoying bots on quest/Basequest mobs - tho I gonna miss my reapir money from DQ drops, but well as OP wrote, it's a P2W game - wonder when other drops gets nerfed too :P

Nahktuul - Archosaur wrote: »

Why was botting even introduced in this game?

To artifically keep the number of online players high? Really can't think of any other option...

Nahktuul - Archosaur wrote: »

... everywhere you go, there is a bot KS'ing and preventing people from completing quests, dailies, ect.?

At first I hated it to see bots around but then I discovered I didn't have to do all the kills: most of the time I have my mob at 50% or lower HP the bot comes and goes for the kill. Drops and kill are mine. So now I really don't care now if people have a bot or even dualclient/multiclient with bots. Also it looks a bit funny to see all bots running around and try to kill the same mob.
If there there is one thing I like to see in a future patch I would choose for bots in PK-mode on PvE server. Would make it more interesting to everyone. But I'm only 1 of many players around.

I can ensure you that bot level on Lost City is quite low b:cute

P.S. Boters love me b:dirty

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Botting should be dead when the next expansion hits us with all DQ being lowered to 1 coin.

lets hope when DQ go to 1 coin, DQ system will finally come back

Bots will be almost gone soon, but with that patch a lot of people will quit, because it is another unpopular update.

The need of wanmei to make this version like PW-CN is making people leave faster than ever. If you don't think it is true, go to raging tides; you don't even lag at west archo anymore.

its bull**** that botter prevents you from completing quests/dailies. there are enough monsters out there. when i need to do my dailies or quests i go and kill and finish it even when there are botters.

and i also got botters. botting for exp and coins and hp/mp potions, since buying those damn tokens/crabs cost way too much now


even if they make all dq 1 coin it won't change or stop me.

and again botting doesn't pretend anyone from completing quests well not in my server i don't see that many here to begin with. as for me i also set my bots in a area corner of the map where there might be 3 to 4 monsters so i won't get in the way of the dickheads that cry about botters taking their kills if they go there its cause they wanna be little whining crybaby *******

Vasanta - Lost City wrote: »

I can ensure you that bot level on Lost City is quite low b:cute

P.S. Boters love me b:dirty



lets hope when DQ go to 1 coin, DQ system will finally come back

Nah the Dq system went by points and even if all Dq was 1 coin botting will abuse that system as well depending on the rewards.


And even on my server there aren't as much catshops like there used to be they are kinda in clusters now.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Botting should be dead when the next expansion hits us with all DQ being lowered to 1 coin.

Just curious, the items I pick up while "botting" aren't labeled as DQ items, are they too going to be reduced to 1 coin; or are we referring to DQ items as in those items NPCs to obtain DQ Rewards?

I was irritated by all the botters in the daily quest areas at first, mostly because I've got an abhorrence to KS'ing and was terrified I might be taking someone else's kills. Yeah, totally stupid on my part. I got over it -- I'm well geared, have a Harpy, and now I just go in blazing away.

In my view, the really negative fallout from botting is that it's turned normally considerate people, like me, into totally uncaring arseholes. Kinda sad, but if you're going to survive and prosper in this perfect world, you've got to think only about yourself and **** everyone else.

Bots whether implemented by a game (PWI's auto-cultivation), or as a 3rd party illegal app, have been around since the dawn of MMOs. They have all had bots. They will all have bots. Even games with active GMs still had bots. Sure GMs would occasionally pop in and ask a series of questions, and if not answered timely or correctly, the 'player' went *poof*, but there were still characters being played by a computer system.

There were times in the past bots were for gaining experience since the amount of coins you had wasn't important, or a real part of the economy; when to reach the max level for max level specific gear took three or more years for the non-botter or over a year to two for those even continuously botting in some obscure place on a map. There was no "OMG I want to be max level in less than a month" like there is as a scourge in MMOs today. The only reason people used bots was because even with using them, it still took forever to reach the highest level possible, but back then too, the communities were different. People were friendlier, more helpful, and helping others you felt a sense of pride. Most people didnt care about bots unless they were in an instance that had mobs that were needed to complete a hard quest.

Those games with the great communities also were not F2P. They were P2P. The F2P model in my opinion was and is the downfall of MMOs. In order to have a F2P model you have to offer some kind of incentive for people to stay and in the case of PWI, that incentive for the fast gearing is you must have deep pockets so that you as a gaming company can keep the game live and profitable. You no longer have the $12 monthly fee coming in every month, or you dont have the $60 fee for each expansion.

F2P modeled games also have to create an in game economy that those that spend no money for the game, can still somewhat actively participate. In case of PWI its base is coins. Coins trade for gold that people spend real money on. Making it easier to gain the end game gear by spending a lot of real money, for those with the deep pockets, or too little time to live at their computer also put a wedge between the F2P player and the P2W player. The P2W player with their deep pockets also bought a lot of gold. They also bought a lot of packs. The majority of them also didnt bot in this game. They didnt need to. The merchants (herb/mat farmers) and the F2P players were the ones that needed to bot to even try keeping up with those that have a large amount of expendable income. People that could buy their way to the end game gear just bought more gold with zen. Sure there were exceptions, there always are, but for the most part, bots were needed for the more competitive people. The regular PvE player who isnt interested in PvP was less likely to bot, though in my opinion, were the second largest group of people botting. The first being the competitive players that don't have deep pockets.

The real issue is people with deep pockets that bought end game gear get bored faster and leave. This drops the amount of cash shoppers significantly. This lowers the amount of accessible gold to buy in game. This creates more demand. People that cash shopped have what they need. It was just desires to go the extra step and get packs for making end game shards, orbs, and the like, or obtaining the rare mount/flyer/fashion. People that use bots are increasing their coin levels, but the cost of items has ever increased as well due to less cash shoppers/less gold available.

Think of the cash shopper as a lake of water and the free to play player as a piranha. Gold is any animal that goes into that pool. When its springtime, that animal can swim freely unless there is a small cut on it that is trickling blood (sale). Depending on the food sources, those piranha might get into a feeding frenzy (+10 orb sales/chip packs/MoGs). Now imagine a drought (bored CSers that leave the game over time) the water level drops, food gets more and more scarce, and the piranha start eating their own kind (gold prices go up due to supply and demand), or any unsuspecting living thing that happens to find itself in the ever dwindling pool of water which can become a skeleton in seconds. Unless there is an extended period of rain (incentive for cash shoppers to return or new cash shoppers to play) that lake begins to dry up, the piranha numbers drop either due to lack of oxygen or cannibalism, until where there was once a lake, is nothing but an arid water-less depression in the ground (dead MMO).