Dreams of a Better Cleric?

Chrisbank - Raging Tide · November 2014

I was talking to some of my fellow clerics during this convo with them, a few things arose that peaked my interest.
Seeing as how we thought clerics got a bit of a short stick on the primal skills we were dreaming of new skills that would have been more useful than a new rb or remodeled bb (the 200 base healing increase is not really mention-able end game speaking)

I just thought we could make a thread were we could list dreams of better cleric skills.

A few of the ones we came up with is as follows:

A copied version of the venos ironwood. Weild thunder + thunder ball into one skill. A nice hitting attack with a dot would be awesome, no?
Also, seeing how guardian lights is forgotten about. It would be nice if for the spark it would give you an anti stun. Decreased the reduced damagfe from 60% to 30% but keep the rest the same but put on a 10 sec anti stun. Still 5 min cd so it wouldn't become a huge game changer but a nice little anti stun for us but it would become more than just a oh **** button.. it could be used aggressively and offensively.

Evryn - Morai · November 2014

Short end of the stick? Go talk with archers, or mystics...

Clerics got:
- Primal Cyclone: Turns a cleric in VD mode into a DPS pump by spamming cyclone each second or less until mana runs out - no CD means you can basically glue the key down for max simple damage.
- Primal BB/RB: The "border" around the skills makes them infinitely more useful then the pre-rebirth versions. It allows your partymembers to visually judge when they are, or are not, within range of the effect. I can't count the number of times I had a stabfish die on me simply because he wasn't in range of the bubble, back before rebirth in BH Lunar runs.
- Soothing Pulse. Heal that can't be interrupted. Enough said.
- Pantheon Blessing AKA Multibuff. -ideal- for quick mass buffing inbetween maps in the NW, or in instances when a boss has done a mass purge. Cuts buffing time down from about half a minute to just a few seconds. The chi gain is nice too.

Clerics -definately- do not have the weakest primal skills. I agree with you that Guardian Light should have the movement imparing immunity effect, but that's not really a primal thing.

Chrisbank - Raging Tide · November 2014

I reallly fail to see how Patheon Blessing is a huge improvement. I mean it saves a bit of time but eh. Most of my squads are trickling into the instance, and i just single buff them one at a time since most of the time its 1 person every 15 seconds.
Also, when do you use RB? I never do. Last time I used it was in FC in my 80's. o.o' My first 80's b4 RB.
I agree for the not so mentally capable the boarder to BB is nice so they can see if they get the effect of it or not since looking at your buffs is too difficult for most to manage these days. But other than that, it was just a remodel not an improvement.
Primal Cyclone is nice when you can be in VD. Rarely do I see myself being recruited as a DD or even being comfortable enough with the squad to be in VD so i find it only useful for soloing, or pvp where i go VD.

If anything adding a anti stun to Guardian Lights is much more of a primal thing than a remodeled BB or RB will ever be in my opinion.

Zoldi - Morai · November 2014

Chrisbank - Raging Tide wrote: »

I reallly fail to see how Patheon Blessing is a huge improvement. I mean it saves a bit of time but eh. Most of my squads are trickling into the instance, and i just single buff them one at a time since most of the time its 1 person every 15 seconds.

It's crystal clear. You don't see the improvement 'cause you're talking about PVE. In mass PVP this is a huge improvement though.

Bezdna - Dreamweaver · November 2014

I like OP's suggestions.

Personally, I would love it if the lvl 80 primal skills did something more. As is, they're just very temporary debuffs for the enemy, and OKish self heals. If I'm UVD, I'd spend my time on more effective debuffs, so these skills are used only in "OH **** pious and boon are on cooldown!"situations.

RB is USELESS as it is right now. The boost it provides to squads doesn't even compare to the damage I would just deal by attacking too. Not to mention that most squads have sins and wizards who complain when their spark gets nerfed. It was great at level 70, but since this is a lvl 100 upgrade, it needs to reflect level 100 gear.

BB could use a boost for the same reasons, although it does have some redeeming qualities compared to RB.

Also... I wish our flight mastery applied to all wings. It's silly that these newcomers who learned to fly at level 30 fly as fast, if not faster than us who've done it since we were babies :P

opkossy · November 2014

RB has a specifc niche for before you get triple spark.

After 89, it's only good as a troll skill. Which... really sucks tbh.

As for wings, that makes it even worse is that freaking PSYCHICS have a skill to increase flight speed while the elves who have wings and birds and stuff as their whole thing have... absolutely nothing flight related outside of a mastery that only applies to white wings.

Evryn - Morai · November 2014

RB has it's uses, limited, but definately present. During the 5 kings phase in FSP for instance...

And I agree OpKossy, there should be a primal flight mastery for the birdies that increases the flying speed of natural wings to 3.0. Not like elves have many primal skills anyway...

chase1435 · November 2014

If you have two clerics then sure try for an rb at that time, I doubt you will get it off without complaints from the sins who have perma spark if they so choose to or other classes that like to spark often.

The increased flight speed shouldn't be for natural wings, but like the genie skill instead. Just a boost to any wings or maybe a flat increase of small amount.

The only real way, I see rb being usable again post demon/sage culti is make it stackable instead of creating the buffs independent of RB, make RB the buff itself. So that way it would stack with spark making it usable and not so troll. Aka Make it so RB only apply a single buff of RB not each buff itself, instead of granting increased magic atk, physical atk, and aps, it would grant a single buff that includes all of the things. Usable post demon/sage.

The level 80's skills, I assume, you are talking about (aurora burst and the other one) are rather pointless in PvE but I think they intended it to be so. I think at that point they were trying to give clerics more PK potential. In PvE the only use I ever found for them, is a heal before I got Elven Boom in UVD, I slightly use it in pk if Elven Bloom is on cd and I still a heal to save my life outside the normal uses.

Sylvae - Sanctuary · December 2014

Weird, I remember hearing that the RB boost was that it no longer over-wrote sparks like the normal RB version does. Kind of suck if it doesn't do that.

kwalamra · January 2015

I play a demon ep and I find that if I use spirit gift buff before I spark my damage output is higher than if I just spark. I don't know how or if it would appy to other classes but is certainly something I'm going to test a bit. Never even thought to see if the rb buffs did the same for other classes. b:cute

opkossy · January 2015

kwalamra wrote: »

I play a demon ep and I find that if I use spirit gift buff before I spark my damage output is higher than if I just spark. I don't know how or if it would appy to other classes but is certainly something I'm going to test a bit. Never even thought to see if the rb buffs did the same for other classes. b:cute

That's... not actually true outside of hitting higher end damage by chance. RB/Demon Spirit's Gift/Demon spark all override each other. Spirit's gift is nice to spam when you can't spark... but doesn't help if you're about to spark.

themangotswag · January 2015

At first I thought this was a troll thread. Short end of the stick? Really? We got a heal that cannot be interrupted. We got a NO COOLDOWN skill... Yes you need to be in UVD.. but nevertheless if you spark and just hold down the hotkey.. it has massive damage potential, plus gives chi at a fast constant rate. I'm sage so throwing a Wield Thunder in-between cooldowns in tandem with the Cyclone will give 3 sparks in less than a minute. If you have R IX gear and some decent channeling on weapon, with purify proc you can clear instances and kill bosses faster than most APS sins. I was more than happy with our new skills, we are in NO WAY the short end of the stick. New RB/BB shows the border = more useful.

Edit: if you want to debate the usefullness of Pantheon's Blessing do so here..
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1728541

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