To Fly or Not to Fly

orangeladey · November 2014

Sorry that this is mostly a hypothetical question, but I was wondering what people think would happen in game if there was no 'Free Flight'?

By Free Flight, I mean any flyer that does not use magic to sustain flight like the original Elf wings.

(Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of the flyers are gorgeous, but maybe pretend that they are a cosmetic/fashion item, rather than gear.)

So what do you think? Assume that at XX Level all races have acces to a flyer that needs to be 'fueled'.

Would you travel the roads more? Go cross country? Teleport? Swim?

Do you think you might role-play a bit more? Adventure? Explore?

Should magic be the only fuel? How about changing the chi-stone/accelerate to a strait speed consumption? Which race could/should pay in hp? Should faster flyers cost more fuel? Or should a flyers fuel be a completely different bar, with its own pots?

If there was such a change to the world - how would you balance it? Would Clerics still have it 'free'? Would you carry extend the tweeking to the mounts (like having to keep their loyalty up)?

What might this do to game economy? Your personal in-game finances?

I seriously doubt such a change would ever occur (it would ****-off too many people) so this is a purely hypothetical thing, but I'm curious about other peoples answers.

And if anyone's curious, the idea occurred to me when flying from Sanctuary to Dreamweaver Port and seeing this nasty crevase full of nasty looking beasties, and thinking, 'boy I'm glad I don't have to walk that.' And while I'm sure there will be a quest of five there when I bother picking them up, I then felt a little sad knowing that with my flyer I'm missing part of the atmoshphere and gaming experience that walking everywhere would bring.

...And I don't have the means or interest in a private server, but could a version of the game be set up with all wings needing magic/fuel? And would you be interested in playing in that world?

Evryn - Morai · November 2014

Given the title song's lyrics ("Fly with me, in a perfect world...") it'd be crazy to not allow the free flight anymore. Even the elven wings magic use (2/s) is easily countered by -any- +mp regen item. All you need is +2 MP regen to counter the wings consumption.

Doing this would favor the arcane classes as they have a natural higher mana regen due to statting magic. Do not want.

orangeladey · November 2014

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

Given the title song's lyrics ("Fly with me, in a perfect world...") it'd be crazy to not allow the free flight anymore. Even the elven wings magic use (2/s) is easily countered by -any- +mp regen item. All you need is +2 MP regen to counter the wings consumption.

Doing this would favor the arcane classes as they have a natural higher mana regen due to statting magic. Do not want.

Of course they wont change the flight mechanic! I'm sure a number of people buy packs purely for the chance of a flyer - so PWE wouldn't want to give that up either. And I certainly appreciate the time saved in flight and the safety that my Flyers provide me.

I was kind of hoping for a discussion on a Hypothetical change to Gameplayb:surrender

And I wouldn't just do away with free wings - I'd think about rebalancing the flight mechanic to adjust for non-free flight. Or creating a new mechanic!

As an example:

I'd like to think that more players would form temporary squads to walk from Town B to Town A in areas where the monsters are tough for them. Perhaps if you were at a much higher level you could escort lower level players for a small fee - risking that either side may not meet their end of the bargain(pay or safety).

Perhaps all travel should be class restricted- Tideborn have 'underwater' passageways connecting rivers and lakes. Earthguard can traverse through ground. Elves still have wings, but Barb and Veno triple the landspeed travel rate, and humans get to keep mounts! Pah that's a different subject. Talk about it elsewhere if anyone cares to.

I DO NOT SUPPORT AN ACTUAL CHANGE. I just want to have people think about what it would be like if they couldn't fly everywhere and brainstorm ideas to cope with limited flight being a challenge. And how to balance that change so you don't give certain classes an advantage.

PS Is that sill the theme song? I haven't heard it since several major updates ago. Course stuck on my dinky laptop now the past two months, I've had to turn off music cause the drivers are screwy (not a pw issue.)

Darkette - Sanctuary · November 2014

1. How would we access flying mobs?

2. For venos, what would be the point of flying pets?

Frankly, one of the primary reasons PWI appealed to me initially was flight. I guess that's still the case -- I'd probably find another game were there no free flight.

Reliea - Sanctuary · November 2014

I would probably use mounts n ride across the countryside XD
Sometimes when I'm not in a hurry I use the actual "road" or "path" type things in the landscape and see how far they get me to my destination. It's a nice way to appreciate how pretty it is out there.

orangeladey · November 2014

Darkette - Sanctuary wrote: »

1. How would we access flying mobs?

2. For venos, what would be the point of flying pets?

Frankly, one of the primary reasons PWI appealed to me initially was flight. I guess that's still the case -- I'd probably find another game were there no free flight.

There would still be flyers to get the flying mobs, but you would have a bit of a time-limit depending on how the flyer is fueled. I've not played veno, but since there still would be flight I do not think it would matter other than depending on how having a pet at-ready may affect the fuel consumption - so probably not much.

And would you still leave if it was just a simple redesign of how Elf wings cost magic to operate? If it were to maybe suspend regeneration of mp - or keep it at combat rates - while flying. Maybe have non-arcane classes fly faster while the arcane have a longer duration? Would you consider that a 'free' flight system? If so, how would it change how you play?

Reliea - Sanctuary wrote:

I would probably use mounts n ride across the countryside XD
Sometimes when I'm not in a hurry I use the actual "road" or "path" type things in the landscape and see how far they get me to my destination. It's a nice way to appreciate how pretty it is out there.

I know! The Ooh Pretty factor is one reason I keep playing. Someday I'd like to try the whole walking of Paperclip for Villa thing. Maybe even go further crazy and actually Walk instead of Run O_O

gamer4jesus · November 2014

Fly @ 35 altitude.

ALT + H

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Euthymius - Heavens Tear · November 2014

orangeladey wrote: »

Sorry that this is mostly a hypothetical question, but I was wondering what people think would happen in game if there was no 'Free Flight'?

By Free Flight, I mean any flyer that does not use magic to sustain flight like the original Elf wings.

(Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of the flyers are gorgeous, but maybe pretend that they are a cosmetic/fashion item, rather than gear.)

Considering that many are telestone/teleport junkies, it would just make it a bit more incconvenient to reach certain heights for mobs or whatnot.

So what do you think? Assume that at XX Level all races have acces to a flyer that needs to be 'fueled'.

Would you travel the roads more? Go cross country? Teleport? Swim?

I prefer to fly on arcanes than to run while traveling since its faster honestly (barring a land mount). Teleporting's nice, but sometimes I simply just roam toe lands or the airspace just above them)

Do you think you might role-play a bit more? Adventure? Explore?

I do enjoy exploring every now and then (especially when I'm sick of dailies). I'd roleplay too, but it doesn't seem to be encouraged much in this game.....havent seen an RPer since a little over a year.

Should magic be the only fuel? How about changing the chi-stone/accelerate to a strait speed consumption? Which race could/should pay in hp? Should faster flyers cost more fuel? Or should a flyers fuel be a completely different bar, with its own pots?

Having a standard across the board is preferable. Honestly I think its fine as it is and that fliers shouldn't draw directly from the user in any way, just as land mounts don't.

If there was such a change to the world - how would you balance it? Would Clerics still have it 'free'? Would you carry extend the tweeking to the mounts (like having to keep their loyalty up)?

I'd leave the fliers as they are (mo fuel consumption unless accelerating) and let the land mounts move at 15m/s with their own acceleration (which would require "fuel")

What might this do to game economy? Your personal in-game finances?

Very little. I stock up on chi stones at least once a week and one of my bots has a good amount of "mount food" anyway.

I do understand your sentiments about being able to skim over areas well beyond what you're prepared for by simply flying, though. It does take out a bit of the "fun" in exploring with progression when you're able to enter an endgame area relatively safely simply because you're able to fly.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver · November 2014

orangeladey wrote: »

Sorry that this is mostly a hypothetical question, but I was wondering what people think would happen in game if there was no 'Free Flight'?

By Free Flight, I mean any flyer that does not use magic to sustain flight like the original Elf wings.

(Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of the flyers are gorgeous, but maybe pretend that they are a cosmetic/fashion item, rather than gear.)

So what do you think? Assume that at XX Level all races have access to a flyer that needs to be 'fueled'.

Would you travel the roads more? Go cross country? Teleport? Swim?

Do you think you might role-play a bit more? Adventure? Explore?

I actually do take the roads a lot, and explore often, and add a bit of role play to my adventure to make it less, well...mundane. I'm frugal, so I'm not really the teleporting type, though I will if I'm in a hurry. Aside from that I fly or use my mounts to get around.

Should magic be the only fuel? How about changing the chi-stone/accelerate to a strait speed consumption? Which race could/should pay in hp? Should faster flyers cost more fuel? Or should a flyers fuel be a completely different bar, with its own pots?

If there was something like this, it would need to be universal mostly. That said, magic favors arcanes, so it still wouldn't be fair. Paying in hp....Barbs, Blademasters, Seekers...their hp regen would cover it.

If there was such a change to the world - how would you balance it? Would Clerics still have it 'free'? Would you carry extend the tweaking to the mounts (like having to keep their loyalty up)?

Well, if that change existed, of course I'd be quite enraged...and might leave for good that time. I'm more for keeping it how it is, so that'd be my balance. Lol. But playing along with it, Clerics have it "free" only because our natural mp regen counters the mp regen drain, so all arcane classes would benefit in the same way. (Since we don't get celestial guardian's seal until level 23, it's not due to that.) But yeah, all arcane classes would benefit just as clerics do at early levels. Archers get it free also, but due to a lack of mp regen, they cannot fly indefinitely from the start.

Mounts, as another poster said should be extended to 15 m/s.

What might this do to game economy? Your personal in-game finances?

In game economy, its already wrecked, but that wouldn't help matters. Personal in game finances...I'm a poor G16 moderately refined cleric with fairly good shards. I fly a lot, run a lot, and explore a lot. I don't really make a lot of income, so this would just be a coin sink...which I do not need. Especially since flight is one of the main reasons I like this game so much, it would be disastrous for them to implement this idea.

I seriously doubt such a change would ever occur (it would ****-off too many people) so this is a purely hypothetical thing, but I'm curious about other peoples answers.

And if anyone's curious, the idea occurred to me when flying from Sanctuary to Dreamweaver Port and seeing this nasty crevase full of nasty looking beasties, and thinking, 'boy I'm glad I don't have to walk that.' And while I'm sure there will be a quest of five there when I bother picking them up, I then felt a little sad knowing that with my flyer I'm missing part of the atmoshphere and gaming experience that walking everywhere would bring.

...And I don't have the means or interest in a private server, but could a version of the game be set up with all wings needing magic/fuel? And would you be interested in playing in that world?

My suggestion would be that if you feel like you're missing part of the atmosphere, to try to use your mount instead to run through them. That's what I do when I feel like challenging myself....run through and try to avoid the blows. It's a game of chicken, so to speak.

My answers are in Deep Sky Blue.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver · November 2014

Oh, and don't give them ideas!!! Lol.

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