POLL: Change Earning Time to Bot ONLY

Bearleeable - Lost City wrote: »

With the way earning time is currently implemented, you are penalized for doing your quests. I know tons of folks that play / quest more then 8hrs a day, yet if they do they are screwed for the rest of the day.
I can understand doing it for botting but why for regular quests? With the extinction of FC hypers players main way to level is once again quests.

What do you think?
Bot Only or don't matter?

I think this is a pretty admirable idea, but PWE doesn't control this. You will need to contact a PWE employee directly in order to get them to vote on the idea > pass the idea off in the next meeting to Wanmei > Wanmei will decide if it's a good idea > If it is a good idea, they will implement it in the upcoming big patch, which is the next expansion (next year).

OR

Contact Wanmei directly through their ticket system or the BBS (forums).

Seeing as Wanmei is trying to make PWI become closer to what PWCN is so that they can avoid sending us so many special patches... it's going to be futile to try to change anything ._.

Rejoice! The original devs are back they said.
The game will be better they said...

If it doesn't have any effect when not using auto-culti then the bot armies that it was used as a final way to deter would be given, essentially, free reign to do whatever the hell they felt like.

Clearly, this is not going to happen.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People really have time to play and kill stuff 8 hours a day?

Only when not discussing Frost. When discussing Frost it then turns into "Nobody has time to spend 8 hours a day killing mobs cuz that's too slow and we all have lives!1!1!!!shiftoneone"



Also inb4 someone rants at me about that.

I did all my dailies and daily quests the other day and still had over 5 and a half hours left. What the hell are you guys doing that sucks up all your time? The only thing I didn't do was FWS because I didn't feel like it, and even then I could get in enough fws runs to make me feel like my eyes are bleeding.

Edit forgot to add I even helped some faction members with their BHs

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

They can't just have it activate when the bot system is active because people will just get around it by using 3rd party bots. This is meant to combat those.

^ That's true as well.

DEMHEALSMAN - Dreamweaver wrote: »

People really have time to play and kill stuff 8 hours a day?

Since it is about effectively being in battle and not counts all the time your just running around archo spamming bullcrap on WC, i think there are very very few who truely are limited in their playing by this.

I think the QQers consist mostly of:

-People who want to bot during the night and play during the day on the same toon but probably leave out the botting part from their argumentation.
-People who just want to bot a lot but since that doesnt gather a lot of support say that they play more than 8 hours.
-People who are online for more than 8 hours a day and are afraid they will be limited even though they never had 8 productive hours in a day in all their lives.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Since it is about effectively being in battle and not counts all the time your just running around archo spamming bullcrap on WC, i think there are very very few who truely are limited in their playing by this.

I think the QQers consist mostly of:

-People who want to bot during the night and play during the day on the same toon but probably leave out the botting part from their argumentation.
-People who just want to bot a lot but since that doesnt gather a lot of support say that they play more than 8 hours.
-People who are online for more than 8 hours a day and are afraid they will be limited even though they never had 8 productive hours in a day in all their lives.

Or you know, they could be disabled and unable to work. Which actually consists of a fairly decent size unseen/unspoken about portion of this game's playerbase and other game's playerbases. When it is difficult for you to leave your home because of physical limitations, MMOs are a great thing. I do feel bad for those who are affected but in reality they represent a small portion of the playerbase, and stopping rapid inflation will be beneficial to them as well. Vast majority will benefit from a healthier economy. Although PWI still needs to introduce a coin sink or something because just stopping one of the stressors of rapid inflation isn't enough. Human beings legitimately effected should think about picking up an alt.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

I dont work either. You dont have to turn the non-working group of players disabled and so abuse the disability to have your example group deserving our pitty.

Non working people are in this category:
-People who are online for more than 8 hours a day and are afraid they will be limited even though they never had 8 productive hours in a day in all their lives.

You are trying to say that they have never had a productive day in their lives. It has nothing to do with pity. What you are trying to pass off as work ethic is a totally idiotic stereotype and nothing more. Sorry but it has to be said. You do not know their lives or why they may not have a job that would prevent them from playing. Some of those people are people who were military veterans. There used to be a whole faction of USA serviceman and their supporters on one server. Some of them may have been injured while working other kinds of dangerous jobs. Your attempt to reduce these people to "qq" ers without valid complaints because they have "never had a productive day in their lives" is just dishonest hyperbole meant to discredit the valid complaints of others. If painting them as the wide variety of human beings that they are is wrong to you because it interferes with your attempt to discredit their complaint through the use of ugly stereotypes then I do not want to be right.

FYI some of my in-game friends in the past have fallen into that category. One of my family members falls into the disabled gamer category. And he worked darn hard up until his injury and I'd stack his work ethic and productivity against any player here. I used that example (I used others in another post) because those are specifically people that I knew.

Evryn - Morai wrote: »

No. For the simple reason that autocultivation isn't the only way to bot. There's cheater programs out there that bypass autocultivation (and use autopotion without a potion stone). If you cripple autocultivation but not those cheater programs, then the cheaters will again have the advantage.

It -must- be applied universally unless the GMs are willing to start banning players that cheat (and the accounts that benefitted from the cheating ones - follow the money).

And if people REALLY feel they can play 8hrs a day, just create a second damn toon already. If you can play that long you've obviously got enough time for an alt.

Quoting this for truth.

jwillson123 wrote: »

Can you explain me how a disable person can play none stop for over 10 hours yet they can not get an office job?
Playing pwi exhaust me a lot and on weekends where I play when wake up till I go to sleep and during all that time I only use 4-5 hours earning time.
Do those people do not sleep?
Seriously the mental demand to play pwi can be double as hard as doing an office job for 10 hours.
I could never play pwi for over 10 hours I usually take a small break and watch internet series or chat a little.
Its kinda a waste that people with such a strong mental endurance waste it on a video game.

Many office jobs require you to do things like type fast, which you may not be able to do if you have limited motion of your arms and hands. Or lift small boxes that weigh more than 5 pounds, which they also may not have the ability to do. They are often people who have to endure regular hospital visits, the erratic nature of which would prevent you from holding a steady job because not only would you be unable to come into work frequently but you wouldn't even be able to let your employer know with any type of advance notice. That's not conducive to a job environment. Just because someone can lie down in a bed and grind mobs with one hand, doesn't mean they are able to work. I won't even get into some of the political reasons why they couldn't.

But that's not really a topic for here. The point is that there are people who will be able to play more than 8 hours on a regular basis and the earning time may legitimately suck to them.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

I had expected smarter debating from a mod.

YOU made it about disableds, its your sterio type. I am talking people that are online all day myself included, i am a no-life gamer. I am just trying to be realistic.

It doesnt inlcude the time you are cleaning your inventory, you are running trough archo checking catshops, you are talking with your friends, you are making squads, you are afk for grabbing dinner. Taking all that in consideration, people who make 8 productive hours in a day is very rare.

Now go away with your stupid propaganda techniques trying to make it about disableds and stereotyping. Youre a terribly sad excuse for a mod. This is troll behaviour.

Anyone can see the time stamps. You claimed anyone who was complaining fell into three categories, one of which was a sad stereotype. I guarantee you that saying "never had a productive day in their life," is insulting to many people. But I'm sure you knew that. Everyone knows the "lazy unemployed" gamer stereotype. I brought up a group that probably actually makes up a decent size of the playerbase considering on most MMOs they do, that wouldn't fit into your stereotype. You then claimed that I was "abusing their disability," when really I brought it up because it's a group of the playerbase with whom I have had extensive interaction. And it was a group of players with whom I share a personal connection because a member of my family falls into that group. Prior to that, with another poster I had named these groups of people.

There are many different subgroups that might have that type of time to killl. Some who play this game are in school still. If they don't have anything to study for they could play when their friends don't want to hang out with them. Then there are those who are disabled and cant' get out of their houses often. Then there are the unemployed who might spend like 6-8 hours a day doing job apps and the other time spent gaming. I've met and played with retired persons as well. Then there are those who might have solitary jobs that allow them to play online games while they work. There are home-schooled kids who might mostly learn at night when their parents get off of work. the PWI playerbase is a diverse group of people with different life situations.

I elaborated further on just the one because again, I have a family member that falls into that group of people. Close personal connection. What you posted was a lame stereotype. It's not intelligent debate to rely on stereotypes. Attacking the personal life of someone whose opinion differs from your own instead of the merits of their argument isn't intelligently debating the issue. Presuming my motivation for posting instead of the points I have made is all not attempting to having an intelligent discussion, and it's why I posted what I did. To be clear that I was not doing such a thing. But once again, you can't discuss the actual statement in and of itself. Now it's more personal insults. IDK why I bothered.

But I digress and won't comment further on this as it's veering too off-topic now. I stand by my statement. The earning time limitation legitimately sucks for some players. But they are unlikely to be the majority of players, and at any rate a healthier economy is better for all players. If the earning time was limited to only the auto-cultivation program, it wouldn't do anything to combat third party software and that would just let cheaters prosper over legitimate players who had their bot taken away. Those players legitimately negatively impacted by it, should look into perhaps making an alt. Really if they wanted to that alt could even be the same class and they could just stash their gear although that doesn't work as a solution for r999 players.

I'm thinking that the reason why people would like to play more then eight hours a day is no ones buisness!

Crazy thought... What game out there has restrictions like this? I'm thinking next to none. Instead of gimping everyone, other companies would just solve the problem.
Make our bot only work for eight hours then it doesn't collect anything in bot mode. As for third party bots, customer service will have to take third party bot tickets seriously and a GM will have to LOG into the game, investigate the accused bot and ban ( temporarily, permanent, individual toon, account, whatever seems apprpriate).

Yes, this will require a bit of work. There is a community here that I know would not have a problem with helping out in this huge task. Tickets have been sent and Threads have been created in the past so there is no reason why that would stop now. ( other then saying **** it and letting it go, like it has been decided now)

Point is Lazy, half *** measures results in lazy, half *** results

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Lol? Is there a secret study somewhere that says human beings have exactly 8h to be productive a day?

No, it is very widely known that people are not. I dont know the exact numbers, but its something like 5 out of 8 hours or so that people on average are productive. And adding more hours to the total of 8 barely adds anything to the 5. Thats the point. Looking at your quote i think i forgot a few characters in that scentence, although it should still be clear what i meant, espescially in the context. People on the forums very much like to try their best to misunderstand though