Community Update [September]

Boomz - Harshlands wrote: »

sparkiesoft not allowing hypers in fc will be like sfc all over again, since your new here sfc was a glitch that people abused to get to 105 a couple years back, a VERY LARGE percent of the game quit then. Also if that isn't enough incentive this game will die if it doesn't start gettign mroe players and by disabling hypers in it, your literally making people turn away from this game, who wants to spend months to maybe get to "endgame" content.

Dude sparkie has nothing personal to do with this decision. Sparkie is just a CM. He or she doesnt take decisions or he doesnt get involved in the decisions to remove hypering from FC.

the game is quite boring pre-100 for most anyone who has grinded to 100 before. now that most of the content in the game is fixed at post 100... most of the ability to compete is past 100... it is pointless to disable hypering as if hypering were some big evil vile thing.

i find all these people happy about this are either:

a. happily at post 100 on the toons they want, or capable of multiboxing PV runs.

b. some holdout hyper-hater, who just wants everyone to have to enjoy the game the way *they* feel everyone should.

c. ppl with waaaay too much free time who can sit there and do quests...the most inane thing in life ever. really since when has a frickin quest ever been interesting past the first few times you fly back and forth over the map?


this is another shot to ppl who like alts, farm coin from selling exp rooms (aka not spending money), ppl who are not at competitive levels of resources, and people who are busy with life but still want to stay in the race (as in they have some gear but not rb twice already)

as a player who kinda fell behind while taking care of real life, i find it immensely infuriating that this decision is made without even the benfit of a reasonable HONEST explanation but i'm a bit too used to PWI BS to really take offense. i guess it is more about just venting the frustration at this point then trying to write a response to any other effect.

but why even give hypers if you are going to shut down an exp instance? i understand you can hyper off of other stuff... but still... how many players are well into post-100 rb after having utilized FCC as part of a leveling strategy? is that really actually fair to those who have not had the chance yet? those wanting to mention pre-hyper era things.... those times are not these times where things are so end-game focused so that argument is invalid imho.

you kill vana as a useful instance.... has anyone EVER entered that place in the past year?

then you kill the DQ pts... no need to even mention the logic of that....

now you kill FCC as a exp-farming instance with no replacement or alternative at all

all this mess with the difference between china and the US is silly. why? because certain changes were made to facilitate the game making huge amounts of money off the players.... and none of those changes were ever an issue to "fix"

things in china that are farmable are *not* farmable here. things we pay for are not offered the same way HERE. so how can you administrate a game in the US and tell us there is any integrity in allowing the players to be bamboozled time and again while you continuously introduce higher financial stakes to being top tier or even passably competitive. ppl thinking about mentioning merching up need to remember there is a need for cash money in order for any farmers to be able to amass resources... yours or some other person's.

the justification was insufficient, there is no way to play it off. these are things that lead to community managers leaving...... having to swallow the hatred thrown at the company after having to issue such BS nonsense reasoning.

just be honest and say they are miking the game for all it is worth with the LEAST amount of attention to the QUALITY of the product offered.

PV is not that old, so i would not be surprised if people dont know it, i also find it not worth doing it, when you cant do it very fast, which is the case when you dont have help from a reborn fully geared person.

But the point of Father_gold wasnt just FC.
It is more about that they close one instance after another and dont fix it.
Like shutting part of the games down and hopeing the people leave the game on there own befor server shut down.

you know, like the last few songs in a Disco befor it close.

I've only ever received celemoon, or holy pills + the case of moonlight. A few times the rabbit didn't even spawn for me...even upon trashing the quest and retaking it.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

The game is quite boring too for someone who rushed to 100 and then figures out there's no purpose there besides more rushing...

Yes, but at least it is 1 step less boring.

Cristalwhite - Harshlands wrote: »

PV is not that old, so i would not be surprised if people dont know it, i also find it not worth doing it, when you cant do it very fast, which is the case when you dont have help from a reborn fully geared person.

But the point of Father_gold wasnt just FC.
It is more about that they close one instance after another and dont fix it.
Like shutting part of the games down and hopeing the people leave the game on there own befor server shut down.

you know, like the last few songs in a Disco befor it close.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

But consider low level PVs, low level RB Orders (alpha, beta, gamma) and low level FB/BH instances that were pretty much deserted since people had no reason to run those either.

Okay it's true Nuema Orbs give you a reason to go through low level instances but people solo those and now we have the Resource Wars event that allow you to make Nuema Orbs and skip the process of farming them if you want to.

If people stop running FCC but instead start running the other unused instances then at least that's something positive out of this. I mean if they are keeping this change no matter what people say, it's either quitting or adapting/trying to look on the good sides.


On another note PV has been around since 2011 or maybe a bit longer. My Psychic was made in 2011, 5th month. PV existed before I made her. I used to run PV regularly with squads since the moment she could do PV. FCC selling/soloing wasn't so bad then that I could still fill squads for PV and BH quickly.



I think they should revamp older instances in general so that level 100 players would get a motivation to help lower level players. A lot of suggestions were made like temporarily de-leveling or some kind of challenge mode when both parties (low level, high level) get rewards.

I believe PV was PWE's solution for not going after the goon glitchers. I LOLed when this was implemented as a means for the legitimate players to level a bit faster since the devs refused to return full exp to the goons.

Also before NW and NV gear recasting when NV was the instance to run hardly anyone was doing full WS And Lunar runs. Now those instances are spammed while NV is vacant. Besides as other have stated think of FBs 19 to 89 which nobody was running because of FC. Now those instances will be ran again. I see a give and take here. Just saying.

SerenityCNB - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I've only ever received celemoon, or holy pills + the case of moonlight. A few times the rabbit didn't even spawn for me...even upon trashing the quest and retaking it.

I've done the quest over 25 times now, and it always appeared for me, just gotta walk around. He isn't always in the exact spot the map tells you, sometimes he is 1 or 2 points off.

sparkiesoft wrote: »

FC & Earning Limits

I know the changes were not listed in the patch notes, but the devs+team have decided to leave FC as is, and not change it back to allowing hypers.

As for Earning Limits, the UI is being made and will be implemented in the next patch or two. So along with FC, this change is staying as well.

I'm sure there is more, and I will update this thread if that is the case.

Is there a way to put this announcement in-game? Since people kept on asking about this in wc and only like 10% people ever visited the forums. b:surrender

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

PW's endgame was/is stupid to begin with, honestly. Simply because at level 100/101 you can have people with R9rr and people with TT99 which both as supposedly valid gear choices for PvE (excluding Primal World and its instances that could be seen as "after endgame").

Then again, without things this way they wouldn't be able to sell R9 in the first place...and our PW was incomplete anyway when they released it.. since the original level was 150. I wanted to get to 105 the first time around because that was something to work on (apart from 105 genie, 105 didn't really have the advantages it has today) as a challenge.

but that is more reason to not start throwing monkey wrenches into the leveling options. not everyone has the skill or gear to solo PV effectively like more privileged players. they need to stop hindering the players in such an abrasive fashion. they are running a business and not being very businesslike in doing so.

bowgataboppa wrote: »

Any word on when, if ever, China will fix the Lycaeum on PVE servers, so PVE players can complete it without having to glitch or get a PVP tag for 10 hours?

I could really care less for all this anniversary fluff-tent.

Probably never because there are no pve servers on CN.

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Duo and trio PV is good EXP too. I couldn't solo PV effectively (not geared enough) when I hit 105 the first time, I did it with a friend. b:surrender Not saying I wasn't lucky/privileged to have a friend to help me like that but I think people forget PV doesn't necessarily have to be solo'd.

Sometimes I get the feeling that a lot of players think they have to get top gear in order to do things when they could actually make a small group of friends and work on a common goal (which is why I've always had a "game partner" to do things with aside from faction/other friends). That's a bit off topic though lol.

Anyway, I'm sure most people agree (myself included) PWE (and Wanmei) did and is doing a bad job with PWI in general.

To add to your reply... and to make note to the person to which you replied..

My alts solo PV with Dreamchaser gear. They don't pull the entire instance and 1shot the mobs and squeeze 6 runs in per 15 minute instance timer, BUT... I just have to work at it a little bit; a little bit more than I did by just buying FC rooms from people who did all the work for me. (insert QQ about FC here)

diesfast wrote: »

To add to your reply... and to make note to the person to which you replied..

My alts solo PV with Dreamchaser gear. They don't pull the entire instance and 1shot the mobs and squeeze 6 runs in per 15 minute instance timer, BUT... I just have to work at it a little bit; a little bit more than I did by just buying FC rooms from people who did all the work for me. (insert QQ about FC here)

but is that 100+ PV? iirc i know some of the ppl who helped you out Desdi, they were by no comparison average, but that is not a bash or criticism just recollection. diesfast, my point was if you are making changes based on how the upper tier of players fare that pointedly harm the opportunities of lesser ones... ppl are going to have a bad time.

i wont argue either of you though since as desdi put it, we all understand PWE and wanmei are not doing a good job of it.

so far im doing ok leveling back up to 100 again, but if FCC were available i would be 15 or so lvls ahead of where i'm at now(at 69 after 2 days of solo'ing just about everything i could do except cube). i actually like doing random fcc runs with ppl i dont know....

sparkiesoft wrote: »

It's that time again, time for a monthly update for all things PWI.



FC & Earning Limits

I know the changes were not listed in the patch notes, but the devs+team have decided to leave FC as is, and not change it back to allowing hypers.

As for Earning Limits, the UI is being made and will be implemented in the next patch or two. So along with FC, this change is staying as well.

I'm sure there is more, and I will update this thread if that is the case.

In regards to the FC change, - great that you are not going back to the hypers allowed instance.

Sooo. instead of the EXP instance that we have now, can we revert back to the Farming one?

This would allow you to enable the Trophy Mode quest for this instance.

It would require the Trophy modes on 69 instance and 79 again.

However the players could start to farm this item.
http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/21422
via doing multi runs of each instance. - http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/quest/15779

Just something to consider if we are going to have an EXP instance that we cant make exp with : )

looooooooooooool

PWI is a business.

this is a customized version of a game administered in china. any excuse claiming that china doesnt have this or that is meaningless. this game is not what is played in china, this game is edited and tailored for american/international audience with changes made to create a game ppl worldwide would play. not only play, but spend immense amounts of money on.

PWE is not doing their job properly in making sure the product they are selling is consistent with the promotion of said game, there are too many activities and content that are gimped simply because PWE will not (can not) demand that the quality of content we receive from the people who make it is consistent and on par with PWE's promotion of the game.

there are no hypers not because a decision was made but because the quality of the content sent over from china was poor, the same way we have oh so many glitches.

as much as i really like this game, i'm also a bit saddened that the people who work at PWE don't seem to have much pride in their flagship game. the players should not love your product more than you(the company) do.