No More Fc Exp Lvling :(
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Its a little annoying if you want to level buffers for TT etc. It also makes the instance redundant. I dont really see the point of it unless you can hyper in there, especially without the drops anymore (Would totally farm it if drops came back).Crafting shiny things since 2008 b:laugh
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FaithDread - Heavens Tear wrote: »Its a little annoying if you want to level buffers for TT etc. It also makes the instance redundant. I dont really see the point of it unless you can hyper in there, especially without the drops anymore (Would totally farm it if drops came back).
I second that, if hypers are forever disabled in fcc, please bring back drops and new harder bosses in fcc, and tm fcc to b:dirty.
While you are at it, fix pq 3 to b:victory.0 -
Not really after ra i dont want it to take forever to get back to lv 100 yester day ra 1 i try to lv from 99 100 after doing alot of quests and bh and am only at 11 percent from 98 to 99 took 8 hours of quests and finaly just did the ra quest line to lv 99 after that im like ugh strugling just to get to lv 100
most money i spend is on packs just for tokens so i can buy hypers with them i dont realy count on the packs giveing me much but i count on the tokens so far i spend almost three grand and to this day i have never goten a script of fate or scroll of tome and after spending that much i never expect to get one either.
and pleas dont judge me to harshly that i spend money here i work very hard for my money and i enjoy playing pwi alot its my way of suporting what i love to do on my free time.
but now that i cant ff i honestly dont see the point of buying packs to get hypers its like being stuck lv 99 forever.
i dont have time to spend several days at computer hopeing just to gain one level if i cant see my charcter i love playing get strongher and more powerful its not enjoyable at all and my fun time is more like work time with littile or no benifit kinda sucks guys.
and its just not fun.0 -
I always lvl my charecters up to 80 via bh before FFing. If someone chooses to get into FF pre lvls thats on them not the community, you cant force anyone to do anything, they just wanna take the easy way as anyone else.
I dont see my self interacting with anyone new unless inv into a faction im in, simply becuase of the amount of people still have asking for free stuff that are new people.Swasie- RA 100 R9 Cleric.....Arsoli-81 Seeker
Arjunro-RA 100 R8 Sin..........LineWarZ-90 Archer
Madian-101 R9 Bm.............NecroBurn-93 Psy
ArsoliCeli-100 Wiz...............VioletHeartS-100 Myst
AiriJen-RA 100 Veno.........0 -
Clearly, you copied me via altering the timeline to create a stable time loop of infinite copying madness.
My brain just exploded and fell out my ears b:surrenderChayalBoded 102/102/101 Celestial Sage Rank 9 Assassin
English is my second language sorry that I mess up sometimes
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Fr0st is br0ken again? N0 l0ss it's n0t like I c0uld fap t0 this anyway.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]I know what your thinking.0
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TO: OPKossy no i' am not misunderstanding you. i distinctly remember that when ff was placed as an exp instance, there were people using this non-existent time limit on FF. Members of Enrage were doing it on the HT server. it wasn't for a month or more after that the time limit was put in place.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Demodude - Dreamweaver wrote: »My brain just exploded and fell out my ears b:surrender
Let me help put it back in.
I went back in time, i had to make sure i could do this as many times i could, and not a one time event. That is where the stable time loop came in.
When ever kossy posts something, i go back in time, copy it, and make it appear like kossy copied me *ebil plan successful b:victory*.0 -
True, I remember when u actually needed to spend time and effort to level in the game...dunkelmann30 wrote: »I think no one will miss the hyperbabies b:laugh
FC killed only the gameplay0 -
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No amount of restricting FF / disabling hypers / minor reworking lower quests is going to make a damn bit of difference to the new playerbase (if there is any). New players (when you find them) see the constant traffic of lvl100+ players in WC and want to be there, now. No amount of cute starter area content is gonna change the attraction to the half of the server that's 100+ and apparently having a lot more fun than the lowbies are.
They certainly aren't helping the lowbies with their FBs, or taking them along on instance runs and teaching them anything.
The facs that they are allowed to join are full of newbies like themselves who don't know what they are doing. As soon as one of 'em levels up enough to get accepted to a "big faction" they leave, and leave the Suckers behind.
So you can rant about FF Hypernoobs, and blame that for why people don't know how to play their class. But unless you stop the daily drumbeat of how Fabulous it is to be 100+, and the massive stack of content essentially only available to 100+ (and the corresponding tower of boredom being <100 is) nothing will change.A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »No amount of restricting FF / disabling hypers / minor reworking lower quests is going to make a damn bit of difference to the new playerbase (if there is any). New players (when you find them) see the constant traffic of lvl100+ players in WC and want to be there, now. No amount of cute starter area content is gonna change the attraction to the half of the server that's 100+ and apparently having a lot more fun than the lowbies are.
They certainly aren't helping the lowbies with their FBs, or taking them along on instance runs and teaching them anything.
The facs that they are allowed to join are full of newbies like themselves who don't know what they are doing. As soon as one of 'em levels up enough to get accepted to a "big faction" they leave, and leave the Suckers behind.
So you can rant about FF Hypernoobs, and blame that for why people don't know how to play their class. But unless you stop the daily drumbeat of how Fabulous it is to be 100+, and the massive stack of content essentially only available to 100+ (and the corresponding tower of boredom being <100 is) nothing will change.
Going to be the devils advocate here. I myself have only been in FC a few times and absolutely hate the place. I've leveled all my toons thus far without relying on FC, or on hypers period. It takes me roughly a month to get a toon to 100 if I fully focus on the character. That is - run tons of quests, take the Lucids, do crazystone and worldquest daily, do BH's daily and keep them 1-2-3 stacked. Also take a ton of do-once quests. You do need some equipment for that - a Dreamchaser pack from one of those codes that PWI is dropping once every week or so will see you through to halfway level 80. From there you should be joining BH69 and 79 squads to try and get the "Masters" gear. Then swap to TT90, and G15/G16 at level 100.
I started a lowlevel barb the other day. The lowlevel quests have been changed - they give you the "Noble" set of equipment, which makes early leveling easy. That barb hit level 20 in less then 10 hours of playing time, with every NPC quest I could get my hands on done. And that is without using the XP item rewards from the perfect questmaster.
It's not as brainless as "buy bigroom, buy heads, rinse, repeat". You'll be flying around a bit, fighting different kinds of mobs, some of which may not be as easy. Finding the low BHs (BH29 through 59) might also not be as easy... Myself I copped out on those and used a highlevel G16 cler to selfboost those.
Ending up at level 100 with **** gear, no culti and barely any skills (both as character and player) is just as bad as having to work on reaching 100. No BH party wants to have oneshot food around.I'm so P.R.O... I Press Respawn Often.
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StoneSnake - Snakeshop for everyone's common stones.0 -
Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »The facs that they are allowed to join are full of newbies like themselves who don't know what they are doing. As soon as one of 'em levels up enough to get accepted to a "big faction" they leave, and leave the Suckers behind.
Except by the logic, no one ever learned anything in the game. You realize, the servers started with factions full of people who didn't know what they were doing. They had to learn, find the websites, post them here, write forum guide/strats, etc.
Heck, even newbies in newbie factions have an easier time of this game than those who started earlier. And the only thing different would be them trying to rush through, instead of learning the game through trial and error like we did.0 -
Sylvae - Sanctuary wrote: »Except by the logic, no one ever learned anything in the game. You realize, the servers started with factions full of people who didn't know what they were doing. They had to learn, find the websites, post them here, write forum guide/strats, etc.
Heck, even newbies in newbie factions have an easier time of this game than those who started earlier. And the only thing different would be them trying to rush through, instead of learning the game through trial and error like we did.
Yes, I was there. We were *all* at that level, so we didn't have a 6 year old set of lvl 105's rolling around to take all the attention. It wasn't that damn rough when we were all small, because *everyone* needed an FB19, or someone who could craft lvl X gear, or someone who could tank a hard miniboss. Now someone grabs any sin above lv 70, and can eat nearly every boss on the PvE map below HarpyWraith.
Hell, we *used* to encounter World Bosses on the open map. When was the last time you saw a world boss? They're dead in *minutes* my some high lvl who farms 'em.
This game is *not* the same. Half of the stickied walkthroughs for low level events/instances are out of date (or have PW-MY terminology). The Dreamchaser pack is an excellent plus that we didn't have - that is true. But we also didn't have the prospect of being lvl 100 in a week if we wanted to.
And who really doesn't want to? Why would a new player *not* want to be lvl 100 and play with the Big Kids?
It's a game for everyone. That means each person is gonna do what they want to do to get max enjoyment from their version of the game. Trying to shame them into going slow and learning, while holding that stick with the big Lvl 100 carrot in front of their faces isn't helping.
.A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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Redmenace - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes, I was there. We were *all* at that level, so we didn't have a 6 year old set of lvl 105's rolling around to take all the attention. It wasn't that damn rough when we were all small, because *everyone* needed an FB19, or someone who could craft lvl X gear, or someone who could tank a hard miniboss. Now someone grabs any sin above lv 70, and can eat nearly every boss on the PvE map below HarpyWraith.
Hell, we *used* to encounter World Bosses on the open map. When was the last time you saw a world boss? They're dead in *minutes* my some high lvl who farms 'em.
This game is *not* the same. Half of the stickied walkthroughs for low level events/instances are out of date (or have PW-MY terminology). The Dreamchaser pack is an excellent plus that we didn't have - that is true. But we also didn't have the prospect of being lvl 100 in a week if we wanted to.
And who really doesn't want to? Why would a new player *not* want to be lvl 100 and play with the Big Kids?
It's a game for everyone. That means each person is gonna do what they want to do to get max enjoyment from their version of the game. Trying to shame them into going slow and learning, while holding that stick with the big Lvl 100 carrot in front of their faces isn't helping.
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Kind of why I suggested the compromise; allow hypers back in, and have some way others can tell how much of someone's xp was derived from hypering through FCC. Both sides should be thrilled with this, because even the worst case scenario won't matter, if the hyper side aren't liars.
If the hypers get shunned, what's the big deal? According to them, they already know everything they need to play their class just as wonderfully as the people who took longer. And since they can find eachother, they can form groups of the shunned Hyperers, and do just as good as all the other groups. After all, all of them know the class they've played for 2 days.
So no downside. Might separate the groups a bit, but will also prove who was right quite decisively. So either problem completely solved, or some hyper FCCers will come on forums complaining how terrible every hyper FCC is that isn't them. Either way, problem solved.0 -
i am a FIRM beleaver in NO hypers in frost ,,,if PWI decides to re-install it ,make it for lv 80 or 90 or higher ,,,,NO LOWBEES .........
QUEST IS FOR PPL TO LEARN THEIR CHAR and play with others to learn to play with others .
LV'ING TO 100 IN 1 WEEK ,IS NOT LEARNING ANYTHING.
i am old school ,4+yrs playing pwi , seen to many noob 100+ not know how to play their char .
SO YES BAN HYPERS IN FROST FOR LOWER LVS0 -
Hell, hypers or no, I'd just like to see the old Frost. By the time I was big enough to go, it had changed to what it is now.
Seeing as how that gear is so underpowered compared to R9R and G16, what would it hurt if people started farming that instance for mats?A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
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powerlvling is not to be blamed why ppl cnt use thier classes o.o ijs its just an easier way to lvl up o.o + ppl rarely quest. but thanks to new world i do alot of questing
but i like FF also i say make it live babyb:dirtyb:dirty 0 -
here is an idea, this might help all of "noobs" learn the real game, delete toons curently out there and let everyone start new, no fc no hypers no pv no nothing but **** long winded quests, sorry people, I hate quests, I've mostly grind my way to 101 100 102 and more on other toons, the only reason I came to this game is I figured my wife would like it, and she does, there will never be a new player base for this game so you can figure another 5 yrs for PWI before it shuts down just like several other games I've played. and for you haters, ** you too I don't care, and you GMs/MODs try taking care of the player base you do have and you might last longer.0
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tracyrandle wrote: »here is an idea, this might help all of "noobs" learn the real game, delete toons curently out there and let everyone start new
That's the most idiotic suggestion I've heard in some months...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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ok i read a lot of different opinions .
i find it amusing when i read that some people say they did it the hard way
and levelled to 100 in 2 yrs .
well try 7 yrs with a handful of chars taking time to level
but getting more experience running dungeons helping others
and still not hit lv 100 and most other chars still in 70s range .
but my main reason for posting is i didn't see the most obvious
solution to the fc or no fc
answer to the problem staring everyone in the face if they stop and think of how fc instance
the glorified "exp room" works and what really gives out all the exp on hypers in there .
simple solution is......ready for it......
reduce the time on the heads. simple !
still gain exp from hypers just not as much as before !
very easy workaround everyone is happy and easily sorted
game developers
just reduce head time or amount of heads that pop up .
im sure even the tea boy could change them numbers . ;-)
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We now have an official response this issue in this thread: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1711191
There is also a poll thread for continued discussion about this issue. http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1710541
For the sake of not having too mnay threads on this issue, and since GMs have already designated a thread for responses, i'm going to close this one and ask that any further conversation be kept to those two threads. Thanks.0
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