JoDs for barb is a failure today?

bannokmak wrote: »

My question is ....

I heard there 're many skills that hit through defense LV or reduce damage taken like Invoke. So today is really worth to go shards with JoDs on barb? I see some thread about JoDs or Vit shards but that was old and game has change a lot with bug,glitch on skill.

oh and another question about +20 vital shard. In the future possible PWI gonna add this shard someday? like they brought deity shard in game at the moment. If they brought +20 vital shard I can imagine that barb all +20 vital shards and +12 will be really powerful.

so what you think? for me I am going to all vital shards and +12 after. That will be a lot of HP for my barb and good for my amageddon and base defense stat without buff. I know some people will say JoDs win but you know game change skill change some hit through defense LV so what you think? b:question

Use asterelle calculator, JOSD all the way once you hit +12

And...skills skipping def lvl? Absorb soul? What else? O.o

Most skills that don't show up in damage logs (like DoTs and Blade Tornado(?)) aren't affected by defense levels at Level 10 (but they dont factor in attack levels either). Level 11 of those DO factor them though, so JoSD will still prove more effective for survival regarding those, and anything else that factors in Atk/Def Level...

Shadowvzss - Harshlands wrote: »

i heard a bm morai skill aswell, maybe Flame Tsunami or idk

Reckless Rush and Blade Tornado/Sword Cyclone.

Edged Blur will also do it with Seekers.

Vit stones have lost a lot of effectiveness with the introduction of primal passives. Jades masterrace.

Zanryu - Lothranis wrote: »

Reckless Rush and Blade Tornado/Sword Cyclone.

Edged Blur will also do it with Seekers.

Vit stones have lost a lot of effectiveness with the introduction of primal passives. Jades masterrace.

Blade tornado no longer goes through def lvs. That was changed months ago. However it does now factor attack levels.

Joe - Morai wrote: »

Ah ppl...don't always be like...meh go full josd, go full vit, go full deity.

Just mix em up.

For example: Use full vit stones in your r9 gears and add 8 josd or 8 deity to your helm/robe. that will give you a decent boost in def or attack without leaving you that vulnerable and is not that expensive.

If I ever happen to get a Crown of Madness I surely will put 4 josd in the helm and 4 deity stones in the Wings of Ascension. Mostly because I would have even numbers in attack and def lvls then =P xDDD

For classes like Venos, Archers and sins it wouldn't be the worst option to mix stones as well. I don't understand why anyone always wants 24 of this, 24 of that.

But I guess I will stay on vits for now...especially when we receive those 20 vit stones...then well...anything besides them will be meaningless for barbs. Dem 480 vits xDDD WTF.

Using asterelle calculator you can easily simulate how vit stones - JOSD work. In this particular case, and without considering budget, doing Vit stones (even +20vit) is pointless. And offensively, that added HP won't make any difference on end-game arma anyway.

Vit stones are out since NH came out, we have too much def and HP making vit points useless in this matter.

About JOSD/Deity mixing yes, agree, that comes to game play. Barb might be weird to go Deity though, as full str already hits like a damn truck, but is legit.

Classes like ea, sin or such I wouldn't just go Deity nowadays unless you mostly 1v1 people. In group pvp Deity people is only scary if they outgear you, at equal gears they die like a poopy unsharded guy, whereas having JOSD boosts their survavility a bazilion (asterelle calculator helps to check that)

So for me, only combinations worth it nowadays are full JOSD or mixed JOSD/Deity (and exceptionally and coming to gameplay, going full Deity if you are skilled enough to kill & run as a sin, or being a tanky blass like seeker, barb or such). Vit stones are out of ecuation, HP < Def. lvl's, and asterelle made the tool to check that pretty easily. Numbers speak

slamstone wrote: »

Sadly that calculator is outdated, because when u put into equation spirit, as an alternative source of def/atk lvl, the scores may change.

About the 20 vit thing idk where u guys read that, since CN barelly got +12 stones into packs, so it may take a long time till they implement the 20 if ever(or i have missed a CN news post that states that, in which case im a noob).

Some of us are using an updated version of the calculator built buy ourselves using Excel xD So yeah, spirit considered as a base of equal 400 to ponder equations seems fair (400 average for A 40/40 cards)

It doesn't really affect the outcome as long as it's considered on equal cards. The value added by cards is a sum to atk/def lvl pondering and not a multiplier, hence it won't direcly affect the result.

ON un-balanced spirit though, situation will be different but that's not worth doing anyway.

And btw, I just asumed +20vit was the new ones while it's +12, you're right, so even worse xD

When 20 vit stones come out, they will blast JOSDs out of the field for a strength barb. (currently JOSDs i estimate to be some 30% ish better than 10 vit at +12. I am not at home so i cant give you exact numbers. For a +10 barb, JOSDs are a mere 10-15% better than vit stones)

Did you take into account the mdef and mdef improvements from the vit ?

Lets take an example. Still not home so no perfect numbers:

A +12 strength barb without shards would have about 36k HP standing/44k in tiger.*
It also has about 50 defence levels while his enemy is hitting him with 140 attack levels. Resulting in 1.90 x dmg modifier for his enemy.

20 vit adds 340 base HPs, with buff and gear that becomes nearly 500HP on the standing barb. That 1.4% on his total HPs.
10 vit would thus be 0.7%, not counting the pdef/mdef.

2 defence levels reduce his enemies dmg modifier to 1.88. This 1.06% difference from 1.90

So even not regarding the pretty significant defence bonusses, 20 vit is clearly much better than 2 defence levels. If you add the pdef and mdef benefit to the 0.7% worth of 10vit, it will not be that far behind the 1.06% from a JOSD.


*numbers estimated by taking my own barb who has 30k standing/37k tiger. 2k base comes from my shards, 6k would be added by refining all 6gear pieces (including cape and helm) from 10 to +12. So this is 4k base HP, or 6k Buffed or 7k buffed/tiger (rounded to ks)

Testxvl - Sanctuary wrote: »

We have +12 vit stones ingame... They are from faction base at a cost of 121mil coins each and ~37k merit (if I remember right)

*leaves barb forum again* b:avoid

correct. But it's inhuman to farm those...so. 48 vit don't make that much of a difference I guess xD