Best Performance/Graphics for pwi

hnhullax
hnhullax Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Support Desk
I hope i am in the right section of this forum


I wanted to start a discussion and experience thread mainly about these two topics :
(And summarize the result) +one request
(please no troll comments)


1.Which hardware is the best for pwi /ways to increase the perfomance
(Full HD and higher)


(which hardware u are using)

2. Ways to increase the graphic (for example sb runinng post processing)



My Request @ Perfect World Entertaiment :
please improve the scaling of the interface with higher resolution


Now my comment :

1. I think oced quadcore without hyperthreading is the best was to play pwi

For example i5 4690k runnig @ 4,5ghz or i7 4790k @ 4,8 ghz (without hyperthreading)

Maybe only 1 or two activated cores are the best way to play pwi

I dont think you need that much graphics power for pwi

My system atm :
Cpu: Intel Xeon 1230v2 Ram:16gb 1333 Mhz Gpu : 2x Geforce Gtx 670 2gb @1,2 ghz
Intel SSD 335 : 180 gb monitor: Full HD ( I know a bit oldschool)

15-30 Fps south adc

2. Im using atm some downsampling @ 2880x1620 , but bad inteface scalling :(


regards Lastname Lost City rb2 lvl 100 bm
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  • krisnda
    krisnda Posts: 4,655 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    hnhullax wrote: »
    I hope i am in the right section of this forum


    I wanted to start a discussion and experience thread mainly about these two topics :
    (And summarize the result) +one request
    (please no troll comments)


    1.Which hardware is the best for pwi /ways to increase the perfomance
    (Full HD and higher)


    (which hardware u are using)

    2. Ways to increase the graphic (for example sb runinng post processing)



    My Request @ Perfect World Entertaiment :
    please improve the scaling of the interface with higher resolution


    Now my comment :

    1. I think oced quadcore without hyperthreading is the best was to play pwi

    For example i5 4690k runnig @ 4,5ghz or i7 4790k @ 4,8 ghz (without hyperthreading)

    Maybe only 1 or two activated cores are the best way to play pwi

    I dont think you need that much graphics power for pwi

    My system atm :
    Cpu: Intel Xeon 1230v2 Ram:16gb 1333 Mhz Gpu : 2x Geforce Gtx 670 2gb @1,2 ghz
    Intel SSD 335 : 180 gb monitor: Full HD ( I know a bit oldschool)

    15-30 Fps south adc

    2. Im using atm some downsampling @ 2880x1620 , but bad inteface scalling :(


    regards Lastname Lost City rb2 lvl 100 bm

    So are you asking what is the best hardware to play PWI, or are you discussing what people are using to play PWI on max graphics? (sorry if I'm not getting it :/)

    Since the engine on PWI is so old, pwi doesn't even take much to run at max graphics.

    Heck, I'm running http://speccy.piriform.com/results/BCKlEdDgGe5wSCspHA0PNow

    And I have no issues with max graphics (even in high traffic areas like Arch), and my PC is kinda old (lol).
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    edited July 2014
    hnhullax wrote: »
    I hope i am in the right section of this forum


    I wanted to start a discussion and experience thread mainly about these two topics :
    (And summarize the result) +one request
    (please no troll comments)


    1.Which hardware is the best for pwi /ways to increase the perfomance
    (Full HD and higher)


    Only thing that will increase performance in PWI noticeably is raw CPU speed, the data bus speeds on the motherboard, and the speeds of your HD's and their associated iterfaces.

    (which hardware u are using)

    2. Ways to increase the graphic (for example sb runinng post processing)

    Better CPU


    My Request @ Perfect World Entertaiment :
    please improve the scaling of the interface with higher resolution

    Your request comes a bit late. currently by about 9 months.

    Now my comment :

    1. I think oced quadcore without hyperthreading is the best was to play pwi

    For example i5 4690k runnig @ 4,5ghz or i7 4790k @ 4,8 ghz (without hyperthreading)

    Maybe only 1 or two activated cores are the best way to play pwi

    I dont think you need that much graphics power for pwi

    My system atm :
    Cpu: Intel Xeon 1230v2 Ram:16gb 1333 Mhz Gpu : 2x Geforce Gtx 670 2gb @1,2 ghz
    Intel SSD 335 : 180 gb monitor: Full HD ( I know a bit oldschool)

    15-30 Fps south adc

    2. Im using atm some downsampling @ 2880x1620 , but bad inteface scalling :(


    regards Lastname Lost City rb2 lvl 100 bm
    Ok, I know that looks harsh, and initially you may think I'm trolling, but let me give you a little history here and I'll explain further.

    1. I run a PWI server. I'm currently coding server version 1.5.0 and am only a short step behind the current live version. I've also been coding and working with hardware for almost 30 years now.
    On top of all that, I have previously worked directly with our local support team here at PWE, and also directly with the developers in China on changes that have been made to the client.
    Just in case you weren't sure, and so that there is no doubt... I know what I'm talking about here.

    2. The client was created based on a game engine over 10 years old. When it was originally developed in 2004, multi-core CPU's didn't exist on the consumer market, and a high-end video card had 32MG of RAM on it. Hyperthreading didn't exist.

    2a. The game client does not use the GPU for any processing. It's merely used to draw the pixels on your screen. That's it. You can grab an old 8800GT from 2007, drop it onto a marginal system, and play PWI reasonably well. Keep in mind, the client isn't really using it, we just want the added speed for drawing the pixels.

    2c. The game client will not make use of multiple CPU's. It will only ever use one core. No matter how much you try to fake it out or force it, it will only use one. On the same path, it's won't use hyperthreading either. It doesn't make any difference if you turn it on or off, other than it will have a negative impact on all your other system processes that are trying to use the same CPU core as the client. (Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt.)

    3. Here's what I'm playing on.
    http://speccy.piriform.com/results/UVT4FRnsSBE6Ykyn0cL8oFq
    I have graphics at max, I get about 14FPS in West Arch, and 30-40 just about everywhere else. I know where my bottleneck is too, it's in my HD Bus on my motherboard. I have another system here with a better motherboard and a faster CPU and it gets 40-60 average, with the 40 being in West Arch. It's got the exact same video card as mine. (saving up to upgrade this one currently.)

    4. Last year Wanmei (the owners of PW) re-hired the original developers of the game. Last year it was announced that they were beginning R&D for upgrading PW from the old, outdated Angelica I engine, to the new Angelica III engine. I expect that the big Christmas season update this year will be a completely re-designed client that will fully utilize today's PC hardware.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • krisnda
    krisnda Posts: 4,655 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    Do you have any estimations on what kind of specs we'd be looking at when/if they do update to the new engine?
  • hnhullax
    hnhullax Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I know that the engine is old :)

    Yes i mainly want to start a dicussion thread :)


    You playing @ 1360x768 that makes1,04 mpixels
    I Play @ 2880x1660 making 4,66 mpixels

    even full hd has 2,07 mpixels

    What i want to say is that you need much more performance to play @ these resolutions
    And the engine scale bad with multi core

    This was my first comment
    Now my comment :

    1. I think oced quadcore without hyperthreading is the best was to play pwi

    For example i5 4690k runnig @ 4,5ghz or i7 4790k @ 4,8 ghz (without hyperthreading)

    Maybe only 1 or two activated cores are the best way to play pwi

    I dont think you need that much graphics power for pwi

    (Last editet 1.36 PM)


    with regrads Lastname

    Sylen thx for the infor so maybe my mainboard bottlenecks or my ram :)

    But mainly i think my singel thread perfomance is just to low

    But one thing hyperthreading exist since the end of 2002 :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Pentium_4

    And graphics card with 128 and 256 mb vram existed 2004 already
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_9000_Series
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    edited July 2014
    Krisnda wrote: »
    Do you have any estimations on what kind of specs we'd be looking at when/if they do update to the new engine?
    From what I've been able to determine, it's going to look similar to this.....

    Operating System: Windows XP, Vista, 7, or 8
    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz and above
    Ram: 2 GB (3 GB or more recommended for Vista/7/8)
    Hard Disk: 8 GB Free Space
    Graphic Display: DirectX 9.0 level CPU (Geforce 9800GT or newer) with 1GB Video RAM or more.

    hnhullax wrote: »
    I know that the engine is old :)

    Yes i mainly want to start a dicussion thread :)

    You playing @ 1360x768 that makes1,04 mpixels
    I Play @ 2880x1660 making 4,66 mpixels

    even full hd has 2,07 mpixels

    What i want to say is that you need much more performance to play @ these resolutions
    And the engine scale bad with multi core

    This was my first comment
    Now my comment :

    1. I think oced quadcore without hyperthreading is the best was to play pwi

    For example i5 4690k runnig @ 4,5ghz or i7 4790k @ 4,8 ghz (without hyperthreading)
    Maybe only 1 or two activated cores are the best way to play pwi
    I dont think you need that much graphics power for pwi

    (Last editet 1.36 PM)
    with regrads Lastname

    Sylen thx for the infor so maybe my mainboard bottlenecks or my ram :)
    But mainly i think my singel thread perfomance is just to low

    But one thing hyperthreading exist since the end of 2002 :)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Pentium_4
    And graphics card with 128 and 256 mb vram existed 2004 already
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon_9000_Series
    Remember, Hyperthreading isn't going to make a difference, neither is the number of cores. I don't care how much you play around with setting the affinity, the client will only ever use CPU Core 1, and it typically clocks it at 90% load steady.

    Yes, hyperthreading existed, and graphic cards with more RAM existed. They weren't commonplace on the consumer market though. You only saw that gear in servers, and high-end gaming systems that cost extreme amounts of money.

    I don't play at 1380x768. I play at 1920x1080 HD, full-screen with everything turned on. Sure I could disable shadows and trim the distance down a notch or two to get a really good increase in my FPS, but I like the way it looks. =) I know that I can configure the client on my setup with midline settings and easily get 30-60FPS everywhere, with maybe a dip into the upper 20's in West Arch. But it's not as pretty.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Fae_Harpy - Archosaur
    Fae_Harpy - Archosaur Posts: 267 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    I have just an average gaming computer and I can run max settings (except softening just because I don't like the way it looks) in TW or NW and still have 30+ fps; best I've ever been at, that I've seen, is 94 fps. Even I was shocked to see it that high. I was even able to play PWI on my previous junk computer that I bought for 200 bucks at Wally-world as a quick replacement when my first one went to pot (I still occasionally use it just to run my catshop)

    As a comparison I play another MMORPG (which I won't name) that is only two years old and I have to have the settings on mid to low or my screen becomes very jerky.
    AstriaFae
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    I looked to the stars, my aim true.
    Heart peirced, the light flowed.
    And from the dust of Sagittarrius,
    I crafted a bow.
  • krisnda
    krisnda Posts: 4,655 Community Moderator
    edited July 2014
    From what I've been able to determine, it's going to look similar to this.....

    Operating System: Windows XP, Vista, 7, or 8
    CPU: Intel Pentium 4 2.0 GHz and above
    Ram: 2 GB (3 GB or more recommended for Vista/7/8)
    Hard Disk: 8 GB Free Space
    Graphic Display: DirectX 9.0 level CPU (Geforce 9800GT or newer) with 1GB Video RAM or more.

    Ooh, cool thanks for the info :3.
  • reticuim
    reticuim Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Ok, I know that looks harsh, and initially you may think I'm trolling, but let me give you a little history here and I'll explain further.

    1. I run a PWI server. I'm currently coding server version 1.5.0 and am only a short step behind the current live version. I've also been coding and working with hardware for almost 30 years now.
    On top of all that, I have previously worked directly with our local support team here at PWE, and also directly with the developers in China on changes that have been made to the client.
    Just in case you weren't sure, and so that there is no doubt... I know what I'm talking about here.

    2. The client was created based on a game engine over 10 years old. When it was originally developed in 2004, multi-core CPU's didn't exist on the consumer market, and a high-end video card had 32MG of RAM on it. Hyperthreading didn't exist.

    2a. The game client does not use the GPU for any processing. It's merely used to draw the pixels on your screen. That's it. You can grab an old 8800GT from 2007, drop it onto a marginal system, and play PWI reasonably well. Keep in mind, the client isn't really using it, we just want the added speed for drawing the pixels.

    2c. The game client will not make use of multiple CPU's. It will only ever use one core. No matter how much you try to fake it out or force it, it will only use one. On the same path, it's won't use hyperthreading either. It doesn't make any difference if you turn it on or off, other than it will have a negative impact on all your other system processes that are trying to use the same CPU core as the client. (Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt.)

    3. Here's what I'm playing on.
    http://speccy.piriform.com/results/UVT4FRnsSBE6Ykyn0cL8oFq
    I have graphics at max, I get about 14FPS in West Arch, and 30-40 just about everywhere else. I know where my bottleneck is too, it's in my HD Bus on my motherboard. I have another system here with a better motherboard and a faster CPU and it gets 40-60 average, with the 40 being in West Arch. It's got the exact same video card as mine. (saving up to upgrade this one currently.)

    4. Last year Wanmei (the owners of PW) re-hired the original developers of the game. Last year it was announced that they were beginning R&D for upgrading PW from the old, outdated Angelica I engine, to the new Angelica III engine. I expect that the big Christmas season update this year will be a completely re-designed client that will fully utilize today's PC hardware.

    Listen to this gentleman right here.

    He is completely correct with the above statement. Even more detailed than I could have put it.
  • hnhullax
    hnhullax Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    2. Graphics
    Just one little example :
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    nlcufy5n.jpg

    watch them in full screen and you will see some difference

    thats only 50% downsampling ...

    Here Some thoughts :

    Pwi could use some power gpu power,
    but mainly the cpu bottleecks the gpu .

    Got same fps rates with full hd as with 2880x1620

    at full hd gpu load from 5-15% and ad 2880x1620 15%30% (gpu frequency was at a fixed point )

    with regrads Lastname