Absord Soul and HA classes

ixmeepxi
ixmeepxi Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2014 in Mystic
So of course Absorb Soul is an odd skill, and I was under the assumption that this skill is mainly used on AA classes. Sunday night in NW, I had an annoying BM that would not leave me alone. A fellow cleric SoG'd him, so I decided to use AS on it (I checked gear afterwards, RRR+10-12 vit stones.)

AS hit the BM for over 20k, What are your experiences with AS and HA classes?
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    You used it correctly. It should never be used against barbs or seekers, but it will hit decently against a BM in magic marrow (and if demon their demon bell temporary buff needs to be down). Having said that, one AS will not be enough to drop a decent BM so you need to plan something additional as well.
  • ixmeepxi
    ixmeepxi Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Awesome, I was unsure about the skill. I know there are tons of threads related to it's damage and how it works. Oh well, I learned something new!
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  • ksfe
    ksfe Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    using AS on ha classes is a waste. unless it's a bm using (magic marrow). depend on both you'all gear. but for example lets say both rrr9 +5 full hp/phy def sharding.. and you geet the bm in sleep. if you can spark use channeling pot and do the as combo "while bm is in mag marrow" you may be able to 2 shot him/her. becauz AS is phy. tried myself many times and if it dont 2 shot it deals damage.. but other HA classes. nope.
  • Terrytini - Raging Tide
    Terrytini - Raging Tide Posts: 45 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Most demon blademasters will camp magic marrow and without bell proc, their p.def is lower than their m.def at that point.

    Otherwise, I use it on invoked barbs and sog'ed targets. Sometimes, the bless status gained from different buffs/genie skills is enough to warrant AS on targets that you wouldn't otherwise think about using on. Basically, it's your judgment call.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    AS is situational on the HA class, it really depend of the buffs/debuffs and the situation.
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  • sarakej
    sarakej Posts: 3 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    First of all you should put a mouse over the Absorb soul skill and read *Infuse a potion of your soul into a powerful magic attack*. Not anymore *not elemental* skill as it was in past. Try to use it on p.immune and mag. immune mobs.... skill is changed i dont even know when but long time ago. Pureeee magic atttttaaaaccccckkkk
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Mystic skill descriptions are terrible in general and should be ignored. AS is an elemental attack (won't work on elemental immune mobs like Linn Shoyo in Flowsilver Palace) but the damage is reduced by the enemy's physical defense.
  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    sarakej wrote: »
    First of all you should put a mouse over the Absorb soul skill and read *Infuse a potion of your soul into a powerful magic attack*. Not anymore *not elemental* skill as it was in past. Try to use it on p.immune and mag. immune mobs.... skill is changed i dont even know when but long time ago. Pureeee magic atttttaaaaccccckkkk

    I will test it this weekend on a BM with mag marrow and phy marrow. But the fact that they changed the description (actually it might only be the english translation) doesn't mean they changed the skill.

    Back to the topic, if the heavy armor toon is full buffed and use mag defensive charms it can worth it. Especially after triple sparking since it will benefit more from it and/or if the target is sleeping and/or when using the right combo (SD proc + RG will make AS almost as fast as NV)

    But well... maybe too much conditions to consider using it often on a seeker or on a barb (especially in tiger form)
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  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Sorry for double posting (two days delay between the two posts though).

    So well... I tested on a R9.3 BM with magical marrow, and physical marrow and no surprises.
    Obvisouly I removed my weapon before testing.

    With physical marrow : 817
    With magical marrow : 1345
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  • Algiz - Dreamweaver
    Algiz - Dreamweaver Posts: 81 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Mystic skill descriptions are terrible in general and should be ignored. AS is an elemental attack (won't work on elemental immune mobs like Linn Shoyo in Flowsilver Palace) but the damage is reduced by the enemy's physical defense.

    Except that it works on elemental immune targets more often than not, in fsp too. Wood immune mobs in sot too.
  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Algiz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Wood immune mobs in sot too.

    My understanding is that this is an elemental skill but this not dealing wood/fire/earth/water/metal damage but phy ones (sounds weird I know)
    So it does work on wood immune mobs (or fire, water, ...) but I actually never saw it deal damage on "elemental immune" mobs like one of the five kings in FSP.
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  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited August 2014
    Algiz - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Except that it works on elemental immune targets more often than not, in fsp too. Wood immune mobs in sot too.

    Wood immune yes, elemental immune no.
  • dynged
    dynged Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    This is Algiz btw, idk why my forum avatar and id are busted atm.....

    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Wood immune yes, elemental immune no.

    Screen cap of me clearly doing 50k damage to an elemental immune boss in fsp....... a little fuzzy but i'll make a point of getting more later if this doesn't suffice

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    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    My understanding is that this is an elemental skill but this not dealing wood/fire/earth/water/metal damage but phy ones (sounds weird I know)
    So it does work on wood immune mobs (or fire, water, ...) but I actually never saw it deal damage on "elemental immune" mobs like one of the five kings in FSP.

    the way i undestand it, it has two damage components; The elemental aspect that does 0 wood damage and acts as a delivery system, and the instant DoT Physical component that does the actual damage of the skill. Sorta like Blade Tempest for the wizards having both fire and physical aspects.
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Hmm, there's something funny going on here. Here's the picture I posted in another thread with the opposite result:

    http://imgur.com/UpqWsH3

    Are you sage? My AS is demon, it's possible sage/demon or level 10/11 work differently.

    I'm fairly certain there's no "wood" aspect to it whatsoever. It isn't blocked by wood immunity/nullify poison at all. It's just a non-elemental spell that checks against pdef instead of mdef.
  • Eoria - Harshlands
    Eoria - Harshlands Posts: 6,118 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    My Absorb Soul is demon and it works just fine on elemental immune. idk wtf is wrong with yours.
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  • dynged
    dynged Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm fairly certain there's no "wood" aspect to it whatsoever. It isn't blocked by wood immunity/nullify poison at all. It's just a non-elemental spell that checks against pdef instead of mdef.


    Im full sage. Its possible there's no real elemental aspect to it at all. I remember there was a theory floating around at one point in time about it being a 3rd damage type; but, if i remember correctly, the nullify wood damage genie skill stops it, so im not sure.

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  • Wilrak - Harshlands
    Wilrak - Harshlands Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    20K on that described BM (vit stones with +10/12 gear) kind of sounds like BS to me. But okay whatever maybe he was mired the eff out o.o


    Also: I recall it's neither a physical hit or an elemental (wood) hit. It's a DoT that's why there's no damage log. I tested it in Abba where it can hit the Wood and Physical immunity tower. Also did someone just say you can't use AS on the elemental immune mob in FSP? Stop giving out misleading info -.-
  • Puddinsundae - Harshlands
    Puddinsundae - Harshlands Posts: 38 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »
    My Absorb Soul is demon and it works just fine on elemental immune. idk wtf is wrong with yours.

    This is a longshot, but the only immediate difference I can spot is that unlike Algiz and yourself, he is not in PK mode.
  • dynged
    dynged Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Puddinsundae - Harshlands wrote: »
    This is a longshot, but the only immediate difference I can spot is that unlike Algiz and yourself, he is not in PK mode.

    That's worth looking into. After I get off work in a few hours I'll fool around with it in blue and white.
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Wilrak - Harshlands wrote: »
    Also did someone just say you can't use AS on the elemental immune mob in FSP? Stop giving out misleading info -.-

    Not misleading at all, my Absorb Soul very clearly does not work on Linn Shoyo. We just need to figure out why it works for some people and not for me.

    For those who can damage Linn Shoyo, can you test on other elemental immune mobs like Staunch Worms or Kun Kun? If you can't damage them, that at least narrows it down to something weird with Linn Shoyo specifically.
  • dynged
    dynged Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    CapnK - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not misleading at all, my Absorb Soul very clearly does not work on Linn Shoyo. We just need to figure out why it works for some people and not for me.

    For those who can damage Linn Shoyo, can you test on other elemental immune mobs like Staunch Worms or Kun Kun? If you can't damage them, that at least narrows it down to something weird with Linn Shoyo specifically.

    Tested on Staunch Worm and Kun Kun in white name, no dice there. Can still damage Linn Shoyo and all Elemental Immune mobs in AEU in white name though. Once upon a time i know it worked in Caster Nirvy too, i used to get screamed at by mystics there for that, and i'd just lol about it.

    Its looking like its an instance vs main world thing, would require more testing though.
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited September 2014
    Been testing this some more over the past couple of weeks. Sometimes I can damage Linn Shoyo with every Absorb Soul. Sometimes none of my AS will damage them. And sometimes it's random whether it will damage or not (around 3 out of 10 times).

    It's very weird and the only thing I can think of is that it's buff related. Either a certain buff on yourself or a certain debuff on Shoyo is allowing them to be damaged. Too hard to pinpoint the exact cause with everything flying around from a ten-man squad. So I guess we can say AS can be used on Linn Shoyo... just don't expect consistent damage.

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