PWI: State of Economy

opkossy · July 2014

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And players between 80 and 100 get their coins from what again...?

NPCing gear drops and potions, of course! b:cute

Toliman - Raging Tide · July 2014

OPKossy wrote: »

NPCing gear drops and potions, of course! b:cute

Also all quests, which give coins as rewards must not be repeatable.

I mean Jolly Jones quests.

And level 100+ bhs, must not give millions of coins as rewards every day.

About bots ... they must be excluded from pwi anyway, if this is game and not work.

zhangwuj1 · July 2014

Stop blaming the sources of coins and how about looking at coin sinks? Do we have any? No. Cause all ******n end game items are bought with cash in one way or another.

Make end game items like DOD/DOT/matchless wings/S avatar chest purchasable with COINS,
e.g. 300m each.

Problem solved.

Bhavyy - Raging Tide · July 2014

zhangwuj1 wrote: »

Stop blaming the sources of coins and how about looking at coin sinks? Do we have any? No. Cause all ******n end game items are bought with cash in one way or another.

Make end game items like DOD/DOT/matchless wings/S avatar chest purchasable with COINS,
e.g. 300m each.

Problem solved.

no thanks. Would rather pay the current prices.

jjbrendan · July 2014

Have Skill books been mentioned yet?

I think all skill books should be available in boutique to buy when difficult to get in game.

Yes they may cost more there and that is where arc games pwi have a change to make money from us the player customer.

I hope this is not off topic.

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver · July 2014

zhangwuj1 wrote: »

Stop blaming the sources of coins and how about looking at coin sinks? Do we have any? No. Cause all ******n end game items are bought with cash in one way or another.

Make end game items like DOD/DOT/matchless wings/S avatar chest purchasable with COINS,
e.g. 300m each.

Problem solved.

This won't work, because no matter what price they put the items for, even if considered outrageous now, in a year or less the items will be considered cheap at the current rate. Using tokens, sold at an npc still won't work either, people don't realize that endgame chars barely use any tokens at all, and they're the ones to most likely influence elite item and gold costs.

For there to be enough coin sinks to keep up with the bots, pwi would virtually have to make every single item sold in the boutique available at an npc.

zhangwuj1 · July 2014

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This won't work, because no matter what price they put the items for, even if considered outrageous now, in a year or less the items will be considered cheap at the current rate. Using tokens, sold at an npc still won't work either, people don't realize that endgame chars barely use any tokens at all, and they're the ones to most likely influence elite item and gold costs.

For there to be enough coin sinks to keep up with the bots, pwi would virtually have to make every single item sold in the boutique available at an npc.

Trust me, it certainly will.

There are endless demands for endgame items and the example i've given 300m isnt a small amount. if each DOD cost 300m, 24 josd = 72 dod = 21.6b. How long will you need to bot to get that amount?

Coins will be sinked and gold price will drop, bringing down prices of any and every necessity items.

As well as give non-cashshopper a chance and something to work for, at least they know once they hit 300m, they will get a DOD for sure, instead of working their *** off for that 300m to buy some packs and end up with all tokens.

While lazy cash shopper will start selling huge amount of golds, bringing down gold price to <1m, and they will need to charge a huge amount of zen before they sell enough gold to get the coins. PWI benefits.

Win-win solution for all.

To those saying that this will not work because in the long run, once everyone has gotten the end game gear, the coins will still continue to come in while they stop spending the coins.

1) It will take decades to generate that amount of coins.

2) Demands for end game items are endless, as mentioned previously. As long as there are new comers, or alternates, coins will be continuously sunk (unless you think there's a possibility of every single one in game to have fully maxed out gear)

3) Even if the most impossible situation point 2 occurs where every single character in game botted 50 years to generate enough coins to max everyone's gear, by then new end game gears would have already been out, provided PWI haven't fallen apart, prompting the need to sink the coins for newer end game items)

4) Whatever I have suggested is just for DOD alone, if S chest, and other end game gear are sold through coins, Each person will probably have to bot 1000b coins to finish their gears.

Of cause, people who likes to take a gamble, can continue opening their packs and if they should get a DOD, they would probably sell it for 290m coins to other players and by then, 290m will be worth alot compared to what they are worth now.

P.S Not trying to promote botting as a source of income here, This suggestion can and should be implemented too shall botting be removed, and perhaps lower to price of DOD to about 100m? Since there will be on less major coin source.

SakuLv - Dreamweaver · July 2014

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And players between 80 and 100 get their coins from what again...?

+1
was thinking the same

jwillson123 · July 2014

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And players between 80 and 100 get their coins from what again...?

Nation Wars
Jolly Jones quests(I do not mind Jones since it requires effort and time)
Farming TT solo mode or squad with other players.
Dig Herbs/Mats
Merchanting

Nation wars should earn you more than enough to buy full TT90 gear.
Just avoid catch the flags that where you usually find the OP people at.

If Lazy just buy Zen and sell gold.

These days is sooo easy to make coins I remember It was so hard years before because I had to make coins to keep up my skills but now people have Jones so they can easily level their skills.

These days is so easy with NW and Jolly....

Xainou - Sanctuary · July 2014

jwillson123 wrote: »

Nation Wars < not everyone can attend them
Jolly Jones quests < end at 81
Farming TT solo mode or squad with other players. < just nope for new players
Dig Herbs/Mats < your only logical option, still taking away active progress time
Merchanting < you're not going to do that as a new player

Yea...no...

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver · July 2014

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

And players between 80 and 100 get their coins from what again...?

The coins you make at those lvls aren't very substantial anyways, and the gear at those lvls is now super cheap and pretty op, only at lvl 100 u rly start to need bulk coins anyways. There's a very small minority of people farming DQ between 80-100 non rb, not enough to even start to influence the economy.

The only people who are between 80-100 and worried about mass amounts of coins are those who want shiney new 200m flyers and the newest pack fash.

Liveena - Heavens Tear · July 2014

Some gear/stuff from pack and NW forges also kinda responsible for the inflation:

I'm not economy expert or stuff, but people are saving coins in term of hundred of millions to several billions for several reason, like buying R9, ultra rare gear or fash that is pack only.

I think it just simple supply and demand kinda thing, lke how cube Cogs soared to like 3m- 3.5m recently due to people wanting to make s3 cube necklace and then upgrade it to NW version.

Also the gap between the rich and the poor is very huge to the point someone is struggling to get 1miilion, and the other hand someone can make 5-10million perday and saying is not enough for his/her goals.

Same as gold, gold price will stay high due to demand. Most people are buying gold in game so they can buy r9 items, refinement and other stuff.

To make a worthy coin sink, make some item in boutique accessible for in game coins.
For me, I sometime use mysterious chip merchant to get some rare tt/lunar gold mats since I dont have much time to farm.

Toliman - Raging Tide · July 2014

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The coins you make at those lvls aren't very substantial anyways, and the gear at those lvls is now super cheap and pretty op, only at lvl 100 u rly start to need bulk coins anyways. There's a very small minority of people farming DQ between 80-100 non rb, not enough to even start to influence the economy.

The only people who are between 80-100 and worried about mass amounts of coins are those who want shiney new 200m flyers and the newest pack fash.

If you power level another your character, then you not need gear.

If you play without high level characters (I even not mentioned FC, of course), then you need gear, which cost coins.

Some level 89 skills cost dozens millions of coins, as I said already.

Edit: being level 104+ you not need coins for levels 80-100.b:laugh

jwillson123 · July 2014

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

If you power level another your character, then you not need gear.

If you play without high level characters (I even not mentioned FC, of course), then you need gear, which cost coins.

Some level 89 skills cost dozens millions of coins, as I said already.

Edit: being level 104+ you not need coins for levels 80-100.b:laugh

Full TT90 set cost like 20 millions to 40 millions MAX(4 slots full citrine shards).
(You can usually find used TT90 in auctioneer with citrines and refines already.
good Factions can even help you get TT mats for free from the faction TT mats bank.

That is a month worth of Jones quests
774,000 x 28 = 21,672,000

I am sure a level 80 can make at-least 100 suply tokens in a week.
They can get Raptures and sell them to catshop for 40k
With the fee that = 3m to a week
3m x 4 = 12m(NW)

21,672,000(Jones) + 12m = 33,675,000 a month.

you can also make a million a Day farming herbs. 28m a month
28m + 12m(NW) = 40m a month that is over level 89 to be able to enter hell/heaven.

You can also get now Free gear from intances...
Also you can get morai weapon or instance weapon with slayer levels for free that out DD TT weapons.
That is all you need till level 100.

Low levels are so Rich these days...
I remember when there were no Jones and no NW and yet I still got my full TT90 gear.

Liveena - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Some gear/stuff from pack and NW forges also kinda responsible for the inflation:

I'm not economy expert or stuff, but people are saving coins in term of hundred of millions to several billions for several reason, like buying R9, ultra rare gear or fash that is pack only.

I think it just simple supply and demand kinda thing, lke how cube Cogs soared to like 3m- 3.5m recently due to people wanting to make s3 cube necklace and then upgrade it to NW version.

Also the gap between the rich and the poor is very huge to the point someone is struggling to get 1miilion, and the other hand someone can make 5-10million perday and saying is not enough for his/her goals.

Same as gold, gold price will stay high due to demand. Most people are buying gold in game so they can buy r9 items, refinement and other stuff.

To make a worthy coin sink, make some item in boutique accessible for in game coins.
For me, I sometime use mysterious chip merchant to get some rare tt/lunar gold mats since I dont have much time to farm.

Making 10m a day is not enough to buy Full R9 gear set with inflation.
with current prices
full set cost 2,216,000,000 / 10m =221 days

In a PVP server where there no auto culti problem
Full set cost 1,745,000,000 =174 days
But the thing is inflation is growing and not stable so by the time 120 days passed gold going to be even more expensive.So it would take a person that makes 10m a day a full year to afford full R9 set.

A person that makes 10m a day is not considered rich anymore.

Coraline - Lost City · July 2014

I quit for about a year and a half and just came back a week ago. I feel so lucky for farming my r9 gear(except for bow and belt) during when nirvana was a gold mine(If I hadn't had quit, I probably would have my whole set). I remember when Nation Wars first started, everyone started npcing their nirvana keys because it just wasn't worth it anymore. Making uncannies and raptures so cheap a reward from Nation Wars really took away a lucrative farming area and for the most part, everyone who had a sin level 100 could make good money in nirvana.

If they took away the uncannies and raptures from Nation War rewards, nirvana could pick up again and people can make money again and at least get nirvana gear and farm for the upgrades in other instances.

If I came back to pwi now without rank 9, I wouldn't even begin to know how to farm for the things I would need. Heck, I don't even know how to farm for my bow and belt or if I should be bothered.

Toliman - Raging Tide · July 2014

jwillson123 wrote: »

Full TT90 set cost like 20 millions to 40 millions MAX(4 slots full citrine shards).
(You can usually find used TT90 in auctioneer with citrines and refines already.
good Factions can even help you get TT mats for free from the faction TT mats bank.

That is a month worth of Jones quests
774,000 x 28 = 21,672,000

I am sure a level 80 can make at-least 100 suply tokens in a week.
They can get Raptures and sell them to catshop for 40k
With the fee that = 3m to a week
3m x 4 = 12m(NW)

21,672,000(Jones) + 12m = 33,675,000 a month.

you can also make a million a Day farming herbs. 28m a month
28m + 12m(NW) = 40m a month that is over level 89 to be able to enter hell/heaven.

You can also get now Free gear from intances...
Also you can get morai weapon or instance weapon with slayer levels for free that out DD TT weapons.
That is all you need till level 100.

Low levels are so Rich these days...
I remember when there were no Jones and no NW and yet I still got my full TT90 gear.

...

1. My characters were level 85+, when "Jones quests" first had been introduced.
2. TT90 - is for levels 90+ and it is not best armor in any case.
3. Most of the mobs and bosses for these levels do physical damage, especially for tanks and Citrines can't save characters from physical damage. Garnets are better and more cheap (being in mix with Citrines).
4. For arcane classes necessary ornaments with best physical defense, which sometimes not cheap.
5. Wizards must have best -channeling bonus to survive, because their spells have maximum possible for arcan classes channeling time.
6.I hate PvP, I had selected PvE server because of it and never been in NW.
7. Only way for me is herb gathering, but I don't want to play in game "gather herbs".

P.S.
I am sure in (7), because my Wizard has 105k reputation points and best gear, available for his level, including ☆Sensoid Emptiness
P.P.S.
Can you propose me way to buy Demon Stone Barrier for at least 20 millions coins and place, where I can buy it ?
Or Demon Divine Pyrogram for same price ?

Hisiala - Morai · July 2014

So, there's a new chip sale.

As much as I need the chip sale for my r9, sadly, this is what happens when there is one...

http://i.imgur.com/KuNvODB.jpg

Olbaze - Sanctuary · July 2014

Hisiala - Morai wrote: »

So, there's a new chip sale.

As much as I need the chip sale for my r9, sadly, this is what happens when there is one...

http://i.imgur.com/KuNvODB.jpg

And that is why you should have most of your funds as Gold. It kind of sucked for me when I took a ~1 year break after reading 1000m coins without turning them into Gold, only to find that Gold had jumped from 1.8m to like 2.5m.

Hisiala - Morai · July 2014

Olbaze - Sanctuary wrote: »

And that is why you should have most of your funds as Gold. It kind of sucked for me when I took a ~1 year break after reading 1000m coins without turning them into Gold, only to find that Gold had jumped from 1.8m to like 2.5m.

Kinda hard to convert coins into gold when gold is stable around 3.8m and now it's gone from ah althogether.

mochabear#4763 · July 2014

zhangwuj1 wrote: »

While lazy cash shopper will start selling huge amount of golds, bringing down gold price to <1m, and they will need to charge a huge amount of zen before they sell enough gold to get the coins. PWI benefits.

I was reading this and wondering, if instead of charging 106 gold (100 usd) one now needs to charge 300+ gold for the same value, will you ever charge again? I think this will alienate many cash shoppers and PWI will actually see a loss in gold charging. Its like this, ppl are lazy to cook and go to a fast food restaurant then suddenly the fast food restaurant starts charging 3 times as much counting on ppl lazy to cook. Well, ppl will start cooking then no? Good way to solve the laziness problem

Bhavyy - Raging Tide · July 2014

Because cash shoppers are going to just quit and give up on their toons worth more than their car because gold price dropped and they're unable to farm with their broken (in pve) toons?

Ulquiorraa__ - Raging Tide · July 2014

anaovt1 wrote: »

I believe the reason gold prices are up so much is the bot. By increasing the amount of coin in the game, they drove up gold prices by offering more for gold. It's simple. Take out the bot, it'll drop back down. Increasing gold drops is only going to make it worse.

This.... And there is more bad sides for botting.ppl botting every where on pve servers bothering everyone who's doing quests .
2nd and most important point remove botting asap from game cause it's causing inflation. Driving gold to crazy prices on pve servers causing tokens to be more costy, all merchants and ppl that farm other than botting are losing the coin value. PWE doesn't realize they added a new farming instance called botting . doesn't realize its turning ppl into the farming afk machine ignoring the game play dailies and questing or even being active .

There is tons on money entering the game daily . Just 1 bot is able to farm 5-8 mil coins in 24 hrs ... Some ppl are using 2-3 5-10 bots .... Just if 300 ppl botting on a pve server thats over 1.5bil coins a day and 45 bil coins entering the game monthly . Pwi no joke u gotta fcken end botting now we have no other way or gold is gonna go higher to unlimited value making tokens -botique items unobtainable to the most of the game . Just imagine daily u need 50 teles u gotta pay 4.5m coins when token reachs 100k. And u will pay 50 mil for a hp charm when gold reach 5mil .... This is a big prblem everyone should be aware of.

viktorbg · July 2014

creamyinside wrote: »

I was reading this and wondering, if instead of charging 106 gold (100 usd) one now needs to charge 300+ gold for the same value, will you ever charge again? I think this will alienate many cash shoppers and PWI will actually see a loss in gold charging. Its like this, ppl are lazy to cook and go to a fast food restaurant then suddenly the fast food restaurant starts charging 3 times as much counting on ppl lazy to cook. Well, ppl will start cooking then no? Good way to solve the laziness problem

Nope, from now on everyone who wants Gold have to buy it with real money. Coins will become useless very soon and people will just stop selling their gold. PWI is the one who will gain the most and every f2p/merchant/bot player is kinda ***** up.

Liam_ - Sanctuary · July 2014

Last time I played this game, gold had sort of stabilized at the 1.3m mark for a while. It had been higher in the past. PWI adds legal botting. (by far one of the worst ideas I've seen in any MMO, ever) Next thing I browse past the forums and you guys have hit gold cap.

There are reasons other MMO's ban bots. One of them is they wreck economies. Making botting legal is economy suicide. No economy can stand having billions of excess coin pumped into it daily. That really has to go, otherwise I'll be checking back in about 6 months and finding gold at 10m each. b:chuckle

Quilue - Sanctuary · July 2014

It's not just "bot"...it's bot and 2x...

Right as I was saying "don't let gold reach max" they started 2x.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · July 2014

so which all of you are posting but botting b:chuckle

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