PWI: State of Economy

Proski - Archosaur wrote: »

(shocking) PW is a business, all they care about is maximizing growth and profitability.

Most businesses rely on their level of customer service.
Unfortunately most people are stupid to realise that their addiction tot his game makes any form of decent customer service necessary.

lol...b:surrender

There are 2 sides to this story.

1. Pwi raise the amount of cache in the game by the autobotting syteem. To bad if you look around its not the new player who does it. On Heavens Tears you find a lot off bots form guilds like Karma bot in Morai. These guys own mostly the top of the gear and stuff already.. They remove the DQ system, which means no more free hp, mp or stuff. So ppl are force to buy gold to get these. No gold no stuff. As a new player you get all kind of stuff at the started and then you get the disappointment on the real deal as a newbie. Wonder why ppl buy gold to get better flyers, mounts and gear. As for fashion PWI has a nice system to put it in packs. Which makes it rare and ppl like to buy some pack in the hope they don’t get Tokens alone. The same goes for some mounts and flyers. Newest way to get money is the system to give ppl rewards points which can buy you the Demon cards to get event points .(old DQ system). The class system is never been balance when they intrudes the new classes like the Tideborns. Veno's and clerics lots a lot off balance after the Earthguard was put in the game. Now we need veno's again for FSP.....to bad there was a time ppl found them outdated. Next update PWI will make sure there be a class who is the best then...........so ppl rush over to start to make that class.





2. PPl in PWI got greedy too. Instead off helping like the beginning in the game it comes with a price now. If you don’t own a good weapon or gear ....you not fast enough to join most squads for Warsong or Lunar. Also in the past you can get canny form Nirva. Pwi killed it with Nations Wars who runs in a most impossible time for some players. So some player are force to buy canny's with gold. If you are a new player.....lets go powerlevel......fast and we be 100 to join in with the big guys. The whole server idea is now based on being 100 getting FSP, BH, Warsong, Primal en morai. Here is where the fun begins. If you don’t own the right gear or weapon ppl tent to shut you out of squads. (LFM bh lunar pm weapon).
Instead of helping ppl to get some good gear, so these future players can help out too, we make demands on what gear and weapon. So new players get the idea you need to have great gear ........never mind if these ppl don’t know how to play their chars -> its the gear that counts, which at all cost much be get... so lets buy some gold and we can buy it! as for the fashion its stupid the price ppl ask for some new once. 150 mil for a silk pack. I don’t even like it but its new and rare! Also the skillbooks are way overprice. Paying 30 mil for a revive use to be oke now we pay 120 mil for a sin skill Twinstrike. Simple because PWI put it in a update version in Primal. And there are more things like this going on in the auction house…


Lets hope next month PWI makes the choice to give us a update on Gear and we need to get R10………How many will spent real money to get it?

Merchants create a gold demand.

Someone had to spend enough money to pump enough gold into the game to gear up a merchant's fully geared R999, and if a certain group of people are not willing to do it, they can all pool their gold to the one guy who did it, for something in exchange of course. The question is, would they have charged anything if no one was going to buy that gold?

Cant you guys just go out and get a job and buy your own gold? People who **** about gold prices or cash shoppers are just poor and should be out bettering their lives instead of crying over what they cannot get in a game. It's free to play for you because people like me pay for your enjoyment. Pretty sad actually.

I do not know what to be angry at those players who spend their cash to buy game currency. They are after all, do not steal anything, and use their money (per diems). Moreover, after all, no one lends itself authorize net, perfectly possible to do only what is given free of charge.
Less anger and more in a good mood!

Sixxkillz - Lost City wrote: »

Cant you guys just go out and get a job and buy your own gold? People who **** about gold prices or cash shoppers are just poor and should be out bettering their lives instead of crying over what they cannot get in a game. It's free to play for you because people like me pay for your enjoyment. Pretty sad actually.

that's probably the most tardish reply i've seen in a long time.

let me explain this slowly for you: you pay for ingame time...it's a commodity that the game lets you exchange for time spent anywhere (working) but farming.

f2p players and p2w players each have their role in a fsp game equally important, i won't explain why cuz you're not worth it, those little neurons that gravitate around your thinking center are so scarce that they're at the brink of extinction, and sadly for you those are untradeable, but you can search them in the boutique if you want.

now to be on topic, FSP has the potential to be a good coin sink and maybe stabilize a little bit the book market.

possible solution: increase the amount of FSP coins (double triple/w.e.) needed to craft stuff, and insert some valuable boutique items (untradeable) into the crafting page . or just glitch the autobot and be done with it .

No game developers managed economy. We have the players to manage, if greed wins, because no one at fault, but the players themselves. So enough of all woes translate the game developers. They are merely accusations on the same disadvantages of the game, which (however unfortunate) are unable to settle since 2009 ...

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

You know what? Even if I won the lottery, I wouldn't spend the cash on PWI. Not for a game that's so badly managed.

Kinda sad that you can't see past your "cash shopper glasses".

That's the messed up parts that I (and probably others) don't understand :

Ppl spend hours ingame every day, while complaining gold is to high and game being boring, but they can't get off their bum to mow a few lawns or something. That would get the same ingame result but a much healthier rl. It even gives you the choice where to spend, unlike game coins.

It's a total mystery for me why those players play, even more when stating things like what you just did.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Bah, assuming people don't work, Bah, assuming people play. I can't be arsed to pick this apart lol

Ohhh, you're 1 of those "I don't play but I'm so emotionally attached to a game that I'm lurking forums ethernally" ppl. That is so 2010. I thought they finally dissapeared with that last LC BM.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

*facepaw* Okay, go home troll ...

You're the troll, twisting things in a way to cover up your own irrationality.

If a you need to do something you don't like doing, in order to achieve a goal, it's only normal you take the fastest way. Ppl that "farm" are not working at the same time. Instead of spending 2 hours spamming some instance or doing dailies on a big number of characters and complain it's so boring, they can spend 30~60min earning the same (probably even more) gold with some work in the real world.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who the **** cares if the game's not worth investing anyway. Sheesh, seriously. Why are you people so obsessed with your gold?

Because if they charged for it, it has value to them. Charging IMO is increasingly turning into a bad idea with the progressive decline of this game. I honestly don't know why charging is still going on.

Djcale - Raging Tide wrote: »

The thing that makes the least sense to me is this: the supply of gold that is generated in this game is dependant on the cash shoppers of which there is essentially an ample amount or the game would essentially cease to exist and PWI would close down lol.
On the other hand, coins can only be generated in game by monster drops, quest rewards and NPCing items. Other than these major few ways there is not much else and the supply of coin is pretty low right? I mean even if it somehow made any sort of difference that an in game bot was introduced increasing the supply of monster drop and NPC generated coin, its still not really significant compared to the supply of gold generated especially when most coin ends up being eaten up by gold trading! Not only this, but they took away DQ points so now botting is worth less for the time spent doing it.

So if the supply of coin is relatively lower than the supply of gold, how is it that gold is so expensive and coins are so worthless?

The thing is, the rich people are buying all the gold. I'm a decently successful f2p merchant and I recently bought 470 Gold at around 3.5m a piece because I know I can turn around and turn that into instant profit. And I have been able to do that with Gold at any price for the past few years.

The thing is, the people who buy the Gold are buying it because it's still worth it. And it will always be, because someone else still has to buy their Dragon Orbs or their charms or their fashion.

And trust me, I would love to sell my merchandise at a lower profit. Heck, with my volume I could sell most of it at-cost and still come out with a respectable profit. Sadly, if I were to do that, the competition buys my stuff, turns around and sells it for more than I would have originally. And if you doubt it happens, I had someone buy all of my stock (priced at around 900m coins) and tell me that they're going to sell it for a higher price. So the best I can do is undercut the competition to a point where it's not profitable for them to buy me out. Of course, most merchants are selling their goods at ridiculous profits, but if you look around, you just might find someone like me who's at least a bit fairer.

If you're going to inflate an economy you need to inflate peoples earnings or you essentially starve your people. This is how I feel a lot of the PWI community feel. There needs to be more focus in balancing this than balancing classes (because it doesnt seem like you're doing a whole lot about that anyway.)

I propose much greater coin monster drops and NPC item prices to go up too. People shouldnt have to put so much effort into a game just to be able to play it. And by playing it what i mean is: make continual upgrades to your character hence why most people who get end game get bored and quit since they completed the game and at the start you're basically given a wooden stick and sent to fend for yourself.

I started merchanting years ago, when I had about 7,000,000 coins. Now I have almost 300 times that. For me, not a single activity in the game is worth it anymore, because I am earning hundreds of millions of coin with an afk catshop.

And honestly, that is how I like it. I don't want a situation where you're forced to farm a dungeon over and over again to get your gear or afford your charms. Because damn it, I remember being poor in the days of 5 aps Nirvana. I started merchanting because I wasn't rich enough to afford the gear that people expected from farming squads. I remember spending several hours a day for weeks farming to get started, getting something like 100,000 for an hour of grinding.

So the simple answer is: Gold is expensive because people are willing to pay that much for it.

So you want an easy, practical fix that we know for sure can be done?

MAKE ALL DQ WORTH 1 COIN!

We know it can be done, as it's been done before to lower DQ. Making DQ worthless will deter heavy botters (24/7), whom after repairs will make less than half what they usually made per day. A lot of people I bet would give up on botting 24/7 altogether. On average I'd say bots on servers bring in about 1.5-2b worth of new coins per day cutting this in half or more would have a great impact on the inflation.

Also, DQ rewards could be restored, saves coming up with a new system, which could take years at the current rate. People who still want to farm DQ for the points would be able to do so.

Kalopsia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

MAKE ALL DQ WORTH 1 COIN!

And players between 80 and 100 get their coins from what again...?