Fix Inflation

LostPoet - Dreamweaver
LostPoet - Dreamweaver Posts: 396 Arc User
edited July 2014 in Suggestion Box
Ever since "auto-cultivating" came out, there is so much more coin in the market than needs to be causing insane amounts of inflation. This has been a pretty hot topic lately, so I figured to create a thread for people to post ideas to fix this.

Simplest Fix
Introduce items in NPC shops or a "coin" shop that are both valuable and purchasable buy all players regardless of order, or faction, race, class, etc... Something that would be an essential necessity for players to purchase from an NPC and not attainable in any other means. This way, the game will extract a large amount of coin out of the economy making less coin available for player to player transactions and by doing so, increasing the value of coin.

You can make this item variable in cost by level and make it non-trade-able / account stash-able. Thus players won't be able to work their way around it.

Why should PWI NOT increase the coin cost of current things?
Could you make armor pieces have a cost to manufacturing them?
Increase the coin cost of making avatar card packs?
Or anything like that...

Because then prices of those items will just go up. You aren't truly taking enough money out of the economy to reduce inflation. You are simply just increasing the cost of day-to-day things with inflation which will just increase cost for players. Also, for players who already have the max gear, or max cards (the players with the most money) wouldn't be affected by this and so it will just increase the worth of their coin. (Make the rich richer and the poor poorer)
Oh I forgot, PWI tends to do that. b:shutup
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  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    One more thread? REALLY?

    But don't worry dude, PWE staff decided to remove silver event charms, so now inflation will stop very sooooooooooooooonnnn b:chuckle
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  • LuckingFoco - Raging Tide
    LuckingFoco - Raging Tide Posts: 712 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    One more thread? REALLY?

    But don't worry dude, PWE staff decided to remove silver event charms, so now inflation will stop very sooooooooooooooonnnn b:chuckle

    This... Well not really, but it is a laughable excuse for PWI to remove gold charms.
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  • XXxICExXx - Morai
    XXxICExXx - Morai Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    create a token npc and give people the ability to buy and sell tokens to/from it for a fixed price. Tokens are very much a currency in their own right, plus it will take lots of coin out of the game with people buying them for herb/crab etc, it gives a steady stream of tokens at a resonable price. Plus it will kill some catshops that are charging stupid prices for tokens. b:laugh
  • Evryn - Morai
    Evryn - Morai Posts: 1,437 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    But don't worry dude, PWE staff decided to remove silver event charms, so now inflation will stop very sooooooooooooooonnnn b:chuckle

    ... can't have inflation without players you mean? b:laugh

    But yea. Just Another Thread About Coins (JATAC for short, these threads are so frequent they deserve their own abbreviation).
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  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Evryn - Morai wrote: »
    ... can't have inflation without players you mean? b:laugh

    Maybe :p
    I think I'm not smart enough to understand how removing event charms is supposed to stop inflation but we have to trust PWE staff b:surrender
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  • trands
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    edited June 2014
    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    Maybe :p
    I think I'm not smart enough to understand how removing event charms is supposed to stop inflation but we have to trust PWE staff b:surrender

    Make sure to cast a ressurection on the economy just in case b:chuckle

    I don't think PWE is stupid but they probably have other objectives then players. My guess is that they do everything to pump out a maximum of money from PWI even if that means sacrificing it (maybe even intentionally forcing a decline for their rotation) to have some cashflow for other projects/needs.
  • Evryn - Morai
    Evryn - Morai Posts: 1,437 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Too late for resurrection. Bring a cler. With demon revive. b:pleased
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    PWE staff knows about "Inflation." It is working as intended. b:avoid



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  • purechaosbaby87
    purechaosbaby87 Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    blaming "auto cultivation" for inflation is the same as blaming merching for inflation. I know many who use auto cultivation, and I can say that here on DreamWeaver server I have yet to see "bot" that makes 800k in 10 mins. I farm for 1 hour and make 4mill +. Not counting my merching shop, i easily make more coin than any person I know who auto cultivates for the same ammount of time, so the BS statement that auto cultivation is ruining the economy is bunk.
  • XXxICExXx - Morai
    XXxICExXx - Morai Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    purechaosbaby87 wrote: »
    blaming "auto cultivation" for inflation is the same as blaming merching for inflation. I know many who use auto cultivation, and I can say that here on DreamWeaver server I have yet to see "bot" that makes 800k in 10 mins. I farm for 1 hour and make 4mill +. Not counting my merching shop, i easily make more coin than any person I know who auto cultivates for the same ammount of time, so the BS statement that auto cultivation is ruining the economy is bunk.

    Ah so its your fault! b:chuckle quit selling stuff. 4m per hour what the heck r u selling? (so i can sell it on Morai b:pleased )
  • HideYoHubby - Archosaur
    HideYoHubby - Archosaur Posts: 995 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    purechaosbaby87 wrote: »
    blaming "auto cultivation" for inflation is the same as blaming merching for inflation. I know many who use auto cultivation, and I can say that here on DreamWeaver server I have yet to see "bot" that makes 800k in 10 mins. I farm for 1 hour and make 4mill +. Not counting my merching shop, i easily make more coin than any person I know who auto cultivates for the same ammount of time, so the BS statement that auto cultivation is ruining the economy is bunk.

    I suspect I am wasting my time explaining this but lets simplify things. I imagine archosaur has ~30 24/7 bots. Or more like enough botting here and there to meet same as if there was 30 bots 24/7. Lets take small number like 200k/h for what each bot makes. 30 * 200k = 6000k/h = 6m/h. 6m * 24 = 144m. 30 * 144m = 4320m. So in month, with numbers I believe to be underestimation, we get to 4,3b coins generated into economy. But you are totally right, massive and constant flow of coins into economy wont affect it at all.
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  • purechaosbaby87
    purechaosbaby87 Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    pwi doesn't care about the economy, the game is 5 years old, they've made their money now they just let it die out. its all about the cash you throw down here, those who spend cash can break rules and make them, but us farmers and f2p suffer, except for me i found a niche where i can make millions in an hour.
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    If you farm TT and merch the mats, you aren't adding coins to the economy (except for whatever coins you pick up, or drops you NPC rather than cat shop), you're circulating existing coins.

    If you auto-cultivate and pick up drops, you're adding new coins to the economy, both from coins picked up and drops NPCed.
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  • jwillson123
    jwillson123 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    purechaosbaby87 wrote: »
    blaming "auto cultivation" for inflation is the same as blaming merching for inflation. I know many who use auto cultivation, and I can say that here on DreamWeaver server I have yet to see "bot" that makes 800k in 10 mins. I farm for 1 hour and make 4mill +. Not counting my merching shop, i easily make more coin than any person I know who auto cultivates for the same ammount of time, so the BS statement that auto cultivation is ruining the economy is bunk.

    Merchanting does not create new coins.
    auto cultivation does.


    You make 4m in an hour from actually spending energy and time. You deserver those coins.
    But can you compete with ?
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21422241&postcount=119

    It would take you 25 hours.
    Would not it be fair that you are actually playing and actually investing your time that you should get 2 Gold per hour instead of 1 gold per hour?
    If you played on a PVP server where auto cultivation is not a problem you could get 2 gold there per hour of farming but in a heavily bot infested server like Dreamweaver you only make 1 gold per hour...
    I also can farm 4+ million per hour. But is nothing since people can get with auto culti twice as much while they sleep..



    Compare PVP servers:
    http://i.imgur.com/EwygpQi.png

    http://i.imgur.com/tkm7dut.png

    With Dreamweaver

    http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    LAST YEAR GOLD PRICES
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21640421&postcount=63
    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    Lost City
    Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
    Time between WC=9 seconds
    Archosuar
    Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
    Time between WC=6 seconds
    Sanct
    Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
    time between wc=3
    HT
    Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
    time between wc=4
    Raging Tide
    Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
    time betwen wc=4
    Dreamweaver
    Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
    time between wc=5
    Harshlands
    Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
    time between wc 7

    As you can see PVP servers where the most expensive servers but now they are the cheapest! why because Auto Culti. Its VERY Obvious.
    Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
    please support Perfect World International Forum > Suggestion Box
    > Limit Auto Cultivation to 1 hour just like Hyper stones
  • bloodedone87
    bloodedone87 Posts: 1,883 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    jwillson123 wrote: »
    Merchanting does not create new coins.
    auto cultivation does.


    You make 4m in an hour from actually spending energy and time. You deserver those coins.
    But can you compete with ?
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21422241&postcount=119

    It would take you 25 hours.
    Would not it be fair that you are actually playing and actually investing your time that you should get 2 Gold per hour instead of 1 gold per hour?
    If you played on a PVP server where auto cultivation is not a problem you could get 2 gold there per hour of farming but in a heavily bot infested server like Dreamweaver you only make 1 gold per hour...
    I also can farm 4+ million per hour. But is nothing since people can get with auto culti twice as much while they sleep..



    Compare PVP servers:
    http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png

    http://i.imgur.com/tkm7dut.png

    With Dreamweaver

    http://i.imgur.com/O8T6Uta.png

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    LAST YEAR GOLD PRICES
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=21640421&postcount=63
    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    Lost City
    Gold Price= sell 1.988 buy 1.9
    Time between WC=9 seconds
    Archosuar
    Gold Price sell 1.049 buy 1.012
    Time between WC=6 seconds
    Sanct
    Gold Pirce sell 1.4mil buy 1.3mil
    time between wc=3
    HT
    Gold price sell 1.4 buy 1.35
    time between wc=4
    Raging Tide
    Gold price sell 1.585 buy 1.48
    time betwen wc=4
    Dreamweaver
    Gold price sell 1.448 buy 1.36
    time between wc=5
    Harshlands
    Gold price sell 1.75 buy 1.7
    time between wc 7

    As you can see PVP servers where the most expensive servers but now they are the cheapest! why because Auto Culti. Its VERY Obvious.

    Ok Ok. Be like you. Lets all ask that auto culti be removed from game. You will se the gold prices wont go down. Thet will go up.
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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    bloodedone87 wrote: »
    Ok Ok. Be like you. Lets all ask that auto culti be removed from game. You will se the gold prices wont go down. Thet will go up.

    You're right in a way - prices will remain high, even if auto-culti is removed. We would also need more attractive coin sinks to remove the excess amount of coin in the economy as well, but at the very least, disabling auto-cultivation would be a good first step...
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  • elieli
    elieli Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2014
    Look peeps. Its really very simple... The cause of inflation is the devaluation of the ingame currency. This is caused by the over valuation of currency being introduced from outside the internal economy (Gold and Tokens of Luck). There are no controlls on the inflation like giving a permanent cap to the Gold - Gold Coins exchange like every real economy does by controlling intererst rates. Getting rid of the tokens of luck altogether is needed also. If those things happen, inflationary pressure would diminish greatly. What else needs to happen is that drop rate and amounts need to improve. And they need to make those things that are shown to be available in the game... well available in the game (ie gems to craft higher level gems, reputation instead of purchasing a gazillion tokens).

    They should adopt a different model to make money. Get everything that should be in the game in the game with reasonable effort. They should then introduce a subscription type thingy and give those with subscriptions rewards like top level mana and hp charms. A bundle of crafting mats (not TT stuff). Everything that effects game play should be in the game and obtainable with reasonable effort.

    The game should be still free to play, but with substantial rewards for players that pay the subscription.

    Its really a shame that what is an otherwise outstanding game is so spoiled. If they should fix the economy I would come back to PWI in an instant. I miss the game but I spent a great deal of real money and real time in the game for the time that I spent there. I have not played the game for a couple years because of how broken the ingame economy is. I'm not going to go broke playing a game.

    Fix the damn economy!!!!!
  • jwillson123
    jwillson123 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    The way it can temporally fix the inflation is that pwi makes a sacrifice which will they would not do...


    That is a NPC that sells Oceans Orbs for 100 million and remove them from boutique permanently.

    Other possible items are MoG, GST and JoD, Tiger, Deity.

    But that will never happen :)
    Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
    please support Perfect World International Forum > Suggestion Box
    > Limit Auto Cultivation to 1 hour just like Hyper stones
  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Here's a good work around to both sides: Items acquired from auto cultivation are automatically bound to your account. Even the coins.
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  • Bhavyy - Raging Tide
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide Posts: 1,083 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Here's a good work around to both sides: Items acquired from auto cultivation are automatically bound to your account. Even the coins.

    Coins that you cant spend?
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  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Bhavyy - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Coins that you cant spend?
    GG.

    Nah, can be used at NPCs for things such as crafting fee.
    GG.
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  • jwillson123
    jwillson123 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2014
    Zsw - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Nah, can be used at NPCs for things such as crafting fee.
    GG.


    Yes creating a new currency like DQ points and putting all DQ items to 1 coin.
    Do you want PWI to fix the economy before is to late?
    please support Perfect World International Forum > Suggestion Box
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