The Things Swept Under a Rug...

Devilskarma - Raging Tide
Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
edited April 2014 in General Discussion
Is this the not so far off future?

Or this?

PWE needs to really get it's a$$ in gear.
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  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    One can only hope.
  • Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands
    Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands Posts: 7,231 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If they was giving back 25% of what people did c$ some people will get back thousand of dollars. xD
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  • TZoner - Raging Tide
    TZoner - Raging Tide Posts: 1,764 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Things get swept under the rug all the time...like just a bit ago when a GM CLOSED my thread instead of moving it to the quality corner where ig it belonged cuz logic? Meh its ok this game is falling apart and they are just doing whatever they can to keep some semblance of order till then...dont get why but whatever.
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I might as well state, in addition to my original post, my reason for posting this.

    I do not want to see PWI closing it's doors. Although it looks like attempts at improving and adding to PWI have been made and are being made, it also still looks like the company or management thereof really does not care one way or the other what happens to PWI overall. That truly is a shame. They seriously need to have each game treated with a separate group of employees acting as if each game were their only game title. Of course they have their core PWE employees to coordinate such things, but it really seems more like they are trying with a single group to treat all 15 titles. That should not be the case.
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  • SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    I applaud pw for what they do as a business because its a business!I wish I had the resources to do this kinda business..come on..people buying jpeg animated images in the cash shop by the thousands wow.

    though yes they give stuff out for free,exp hypers,orbs,refine materials..etc and yet you guys just cry and cry and cry and cry about dumb ****..like for example..oh noes my lazy self auto path button wont walk my mount across the map and it bugs and I have to relog BOO HOOO..
  • Jarkhen - Archosaur
    Jarkhen - Archosaur Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ..people buying jpeg animated images in the cash shop by the thousands
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ..people buying jpeg animated images
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    jpeg animated images
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    jpeg

    wat
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  • Longknife - Harshlands
    Longknife - Harshlands Posts: 4,843 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    These games always outlive the pessimism of the users. Realize that this was their staple game; it cannot simply be shut down without a lot of negative press regarding it. For that reason, expect better treatment. Likewise, realize that once things get bad, servers will merge. That's yet to happen, so PWI still has quite a ways to go.
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  • condo2009
    condo2009 Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    These games always outlive the pessimism of the users. Realize that this was their staple game; it cannot simply be shut down without a lot of negative press regarding it. For that reason, expect better treatment. Likewise, realize that once things get bad, servers will merge. That's yet to happen, so PWI still has quite a ways to go.

    what makes you think pwi would ever merge the servers before they close? that is never going to happen, but closing pwi WILL.
  • Fail_BM - Raging Tide
    Fail_BM - Raging Tide Posts: 929 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    These games always outlive the pessimism of the users. Realize that this was their staple game; it cannot simply be shut down without a lot of negative press regarding it. For that reason, expect better treatment. Likewise, realize that once things get bad, servers will merge. That's yet to happen, so PWI still has quite a ways to go.

    If I remember well, PWE didn't merge Heroes of Three Kingdoms's servers before their closure. PWI is actually going to where HTK was, a game with low population with nothing attractive for new players.
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  • Asone - Raging Tide
    Asone - Raging Tide Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If there is one thing a player must know about MMO's, it's a fact in the gaming world that even the decision in making one is a very risky business move. There are a good many MMO's that are shelved that never even make it to the Alpha stage of development, let alone make it passed a draft.

    This is really not anything new informative wise. Games come and go, it's fact. Then there are the few MMO's that have been around for nearly 20 years. But those are heavily popular and carefully planned games that were lucky enough to be made by major companies that could afford to invest that much into them.

    Although I still don't have my computer at the moment to even get in -game, I've been keeping track of the forums and I've notice the CM is trying to at least get the player-base a bit more active in the recent days now that the fix crunch from the last expansion is most likely over with.

    I'd give it a bit more time. Although there has been a drop in players recently, I wouldn't put PWI on the shelves just yet.
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  • TZoner - Raging Tide
    TZoner - Raging Tide Posts: 1,764 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I applaud pw for what they do as a business because its a business!I wish I had the resources to do this kinda business..come on..people buying jpeg animated images in the cash shop by the thousands wow.

    though yes they give stuff out for free,exp hypers,orbs,refine materials..etc and yet you guys just cry and cry and cry and cry about dumb ****..like for example..oh noes my lazy self auto path button wont walk my mount across the map and it bugs and I have to relog BOO HOOO..

    PWI has HORRID customer service...that in the end says they are not a good business. And their actual care for responses to problems involving the game are so small....unless its about money transactions most of that is asked of their customer service is swept up under the rug...but you applaud them...lol
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Asone - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If there is one thing a player must know about MMO's, it's a fact in the gaming world that even the decision in making one is a very risky business move. There are a good many MMO's that are shelved that never even make it to the Alpha stage of development, let alone make it passed a draft.

    This is really not anything new informative wise. Games come and go, it's fact. Then there are the few MMO's that have been around for nearly 20 years. But those are heavily popular and carefully planned games that were lucky enough to be made by major companies that could afford to invest that much into them.

    Although I still don't have my computer at the moment to even get in -game, I've been keeping track of the forums and I've notice the CM is trying to at least get the player-base a bit more active in the recent days now that the fix crunch from the last expansion is most likely over with.

    I'd give it a bit more time. Although there has been a drop in players recently, I wouldn't put PWI on the shelves just yet.
    In an approximately 500 billion dollar industry (and, that is an approximation from years ago mind you) overall, just scratching any part of that player base in making a game is not a risk. Research, planning ahead and having the money for initial start up expenses is necessary, yes.

    Games come and go, yes. However, a game that has as strong of a potential as PWI, will only "come and go" given disgustingly horrible decisions. So no, luck really has nothing to do with a company crash coursing a game such as PWI into the ground seemingly intentionally. The most expensive part for PWI was really start up of the game, the $ flowed in quite readily, and PWE screwed up just as readily.

    Wait till you get back into the game, it is less and less populated it seems on a daily basis. The CM may well be doing a great job for that position, that is not the issue as I'm sure there is plenty of red tape involved for the CM to do what is needed. The issue comes down to PWE potentially growing a pair and making changes, which may even include lowering prices on plenty of items in the cash shop.

    At this point, lowering the prices on things such as HP & MP charms, refining orbs and/or aids, and r9 materials in the cash shop would be heavily advised. That does not mean drop any of those down to nothing, but to drop them reasonably to a point where more people would make purchases. They already made the initial profit off of those items, it is high time those are placed in the clearance racks with better and better prices over time.

    Their new profit makers should be focused on the new expansion items involving RB and War Avatar Cards. Those can stay just the way they are for now. And those will hands down make PWE more profit than r9 materials ever did if you know the $ costs involved.

    They should be making fixes to any time-related glitches, which some recently may involve looking at things that were involved when the event times themselves were off about a year or more ago. I am sure they must have some records available to them as to what areas of the programming/code/whatever was causing issues back then, and may be related to such issues today. These time-related issues are crucial for combat in-game, which is pretty much the majority of the game in pve AND pvp.

    They should be really looking at things that would bring customers in, instead of killing any chance of new customers whatsoever. Kill that stupid bridge embrace quest right at the beginning. Friggin ADD 2 npcs, one male and one female, in order to have new players not go "fug this, i cant do this and all these rude players aint acknowledging me"... of course vet players have alt accounts and know those characters are bots... but new players? And do not even try to say they can not add 2 npc's to do just that... they have other npcs that also allow completing quests through dancing and fainting emotes. Why not embrace/kiss emotes?

    How stupid are these people in charge seriously? And how stupid do players have to be to just bend over and take it like the good lil cash cow lemmings they have been taking it as?
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  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Wow you guys are negative nellies, go quit game don't let the door hit you in the butt if this game causes you so much psychological trauma.

    PWi's customer service is not bad, but its communication with its player base on a macro scale is poor.

    Don't you guys have anything better to do than go on forums and cry all day (about a free game)? I say you are the most negative thing about pwi.
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Wow you guys are negative nellies, go quit game don't let the door hit you in the butt if this game causes you so much psychological trauma.

    PWi's customer service is not bad, but its communication with its player base on a macro scale is poor.

    Don't you guys have anything better to do than go on forums and cry all day (about a free game)? I say you are the most negative thing about pwi.
    Really Man? You know who I am, and still come and say this? So what I heard and dismissed as nonsense apparently was true. Of course you come to defend your investment, but what you do not seem to realize, is everything I am saying is in your favor if PWE ever listens. If you actually have been paying attention to RT over the last 4 years, your investment is better protected from my side of this arena. Your side of the arena, as you have decided to state, just kiss all them $'s you spent buh-bye. Perhaps you should reconsider your position?
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited April 2014
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Really Man? You know who I am, and still come and say this? So what I heard and dismissed as nonsense apparently was true. Of course you come to defend your investment, but what you do not seem to realize, is everything I am saying is in your favor if PWE ever listens. If you actually have been paying attention to RT over the last 4 years, your investment is better protected from my side of this arena. Your side of the arena, as you have decided to state, just kiss all them $'s you spent buh-bye. Perhaps you should reconsider your position?
    The problem with most of your statement is that PWE is just the publisher. Wanmei in China is the actual developer of the game making changes.

    Also keep in mind that they've had a massive botting issue for ages.

    Also, last I checked, PWI was one of PWE's less active titles. Just because I still live here doesn't mean everyone else does.

    EDIT: Also forgot to mention that the original developers of the game haven't even worked for Wanmei for the past 4 years or more, so that kind of plays a part in how things work as well.
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  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Several things

    1. Pwi never promised you any new content, yet over the past 3-4 years you've been playing its put in enough new content where i guess you and I have thousands of hours played.

    2. Pwi might shut down its servers tomorrow, or 6 months from now. All gear is meaningless and all you can take away is your relationships and experiences.

    Nightrage was writing on the forums 3 years ago "GAME IS DEAD" Yes people were even saying it more 3 years ago! Anyway i really do not know what this thread is about, you are hoping that pwi does better as a company? Or manages pwi better? If that is the case put this forward in a constructive manner what they can do.
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  • Devilskarma - Raging Tide
    Devilskarma - Raging Tide Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Several things

    1. Pwi never promised you any new content, yet over the past 3-4 years you've been playing its put in enough new content where i guess you and I have thousands of hours played.

    2. Pwi might shut down its servers tomorrow, or 6 months from now. All gear is meaningless and all you can take away is your relationships and experiences.

    Nightrage was writing on the forums 3 years ago "GAME IS DEAD" Yes people were even saying it more 3 years ago! Anyway i really do not know what this thread is about, you are hoping that pwi does better as a company? Or manages pwi better? If that is the case put this forward in a constructive manner what they can do.
    cant really state it any better than this oh *psy*
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    The problem with most of your statement is that PWE is just the publisher. Wanmei in China is the actual developer of the game making changes.

    Also keep in mind that they've had a massive botting issue for ages.

    Also, last I checked, PWI was one of PWE's less active titles. Just because I still live here doesn't mean everyone else does.

    EDIT: Also forgot to mention that the original developers of the game haven't even worked for Wanmei for the past 4 years or more, so that kind of plays a part in how things work as well.
    PWE can step up its game however, and actually deal with Wanmei to get changes they need in order to correct the issues found in what they publish and make $'s off of in order to continue their business. PWE needs to grow a pair and/or find people that can dig into what needs to be dug into... hell, hire some private server people? They should be familiar with the majority of programming/coding to be able to play catch-up fast enough.

    Massive botting issue was assumed to be able to be corrected by fighting fire with fire? *applause* They obviously do not and have not actually played any mmo rpg's based on their solution of implementing legal botting.

    Less active because of their decisions over time, which could be corrected still. And as PWE moves forward with all of it's titles, they will find more and more that less and less of their customers move on to any of their other titles. I am quite certain I am not the only one that will never touch any other title with PWE attached to it at all. Their newest d&D-based game, Neverwinter which they advertise so much is one such game I might have been interested to look at. But PWE is attached to it. That is the trend they are setting. That can not be good for their own business.

    But as I see customers do not mind just swallowing everything and anything PWE decides to dish out, I guess I am done even trying to accomplish anything that would be in everyone's best interest (including my own, yours, all the other players here, and on other games to come, and PWE and any other companies that work with them in the future). That is the precedent apparently chosen. I hope that choice holds a future you are satisfied with.
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  • Asone - Raging Tide
    Asone - Raging Tide Posts: 792 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    @Devilskarma

    I'm just gonna pretend I didn't read any of that since all you did was rant. b:surrender
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  • Samaranight - Sanctuary
    Samaranight - Sanctuary Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Eh this is why R9r is my last "stop". There's really no guarantee the game will be around another 5yrs. But seeing as PWI is PWE's flagship MMO, I think they would at least announce its closure.
  • LiQQy - Sanctuary
    LiQQy - Sanctuary Posts: 32 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Longknife - Harshlands wrote: »
    These games always outlive the pessimism of the users. Realize that this was their staple game; it cannot simply be shut down without a lot of negative press regarding it. For that reason, expect better treatment. Likewise, realize that once things get bad, servers will merge. That's yet to happen, so PWI still has quite a ways to go.

    ^ everything has been said b:bye
  • Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    If I got back 25% of my gold spent.... I'd be perfectly content. Should such a thing happen with no strings attached (i.e. Oh, we'll only refund 25% of the gold you spent within the last month), then it would be without a doubt the best decision PWE has ever made.

    As opposed to their poor decisions.
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  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited April 2014
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide wrote: »
    If I got back 25% of my gold spent.... I'd be perfectly content. Should such a thing happen with no strings attached (i.e. Oh, we'll only refund 25% of the gold you spent within the last month), then it would be without a doubt the best decision PWE has ever made.

    As opposed to their poor decisions.

    I presume you mean Zen and not gold. I buy up about 100~400 gold each week. If they give me back 25% of this, i would be a rich man in real life, without ever charging zen b:pleased.

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