new sage panda form not giving added hp?

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rawkjawk
rawkjawk Posts: 2 Arc User
edited March 2014 in General Discussion
I thought for sure it was suposed to gived you an added hp bonus for sage but the thing is once i payed the 5m for the skill, my hp hasnt changed at all from what it was before. I do remember another scroll or something came with it which i payed 1m to learn and now i cant seem to find that skill anywhere. Not really sure what the hell is going on
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  • Atropah - Sanctuary
    Atropah - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    Panda form is purely a graphics change. It's like a new shirt and does nothing for your stats or skills.

    Advanced Trueform is the other book that came with it. I believe this cost 1mil to learn and it's bonus is extra chi-gain every time you change form. It's also glitched so sages get the demon bonus of full damage.
  • XxWilxX - Heavens Tear
    XxWilxX - Heavens Tear Posts: 202 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    The full attak on those Mighty Forms isnt a glitch, it was intended.

    And the only benfit from tiger/panda form is, 20 chi when using and no damage reduction on sage.

    On demon u get -5% critic buff.

    That's all.
  • Atropah - Sanctuary
    Atropah - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    XxWilxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The full attak on those Mighty Forms isnt a glitch, it was intended.

    On demon u get -5% critic buff.

    For demon's the -5% chance to be crit only lasts 5 seconds.

    And since the programmers never state that there was an intentional change between level 10 trueform and level 11 sage trueform and the advanced trueform we can only assume it was unintentional. It's never mentioned anywhere that it was a purposeful change or update. It's more likely shoddy pwi programming where they copy-pasted an existing skill bonus (demon) and based the advanced upgrade on the demon version of the skill for both cultis.
  • Kijinka - Dreamweaver
    Kijinka - Dreamweaver Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    For demon's the -5% chance to be crit only lasts 5 seconds.

    And since the programmers never state that there was an intentional change between level 10 trueform and level 11 sage trueform and the advanced trueform we can only assume it was unintentional. It's never mentioned anywhere that it was a purposeful change or update. It's more likely shoddy pwi programming where they copy-pasted an existing skill bonus (demon) and based the advanced upgrade on the demon version of the skill for both cultis.


    Oh my you are ****. Just because a developer doesn't state every update they should be assumed as error? Did you write this wearing your tinfoil hat?
  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Panda form is purely a graphics change. It's like a new shirt and does nothing for your stats or skills.

    Advanced Trueform is the other book that came with it. I believe this cost 1mil to learn and it's bonus is extra chi-gain every time you change form. It's also glitched so sages get the demon bonus of full damage.

    No, it has been confirmed by the GMs after they asked the devs in China said it was completely intentional.
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  • SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear
    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear Posts: 703 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    yeah sht the demon barbs and grant more toward the sage ones,gg,ty for the ugly poorly designed panda form that has been shrunk down to a stupid teddy size.I rarely go in panda form for the crappy -5% crit protection for a wopping 5 whole seconds wow!! omg its cool as hell to have 5 sec protection man this is so epic ty pw ty...
  • Kijinka - Dreamweaver
    Kijinka - Dreamweaver Posts: 124 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    yeah sht the demon barbs and grant more toward the sage ones,gg,ty for the ugly poorly designed panda form that has been shrunk down to a stupid teddy size.I rarely go in panda form for the crappy -5% crit protection for a wopping 5 whole seconds wow!! omg its cool as hell to have 5 sec protection man this is so epic ty pw ty...

    For quite some time demon barbs had more perks than sage when it came to PVP and now the tides have turned and all the demon barbs QQ. It is cheap to change cultivation and the skills are cheap as chips now so if you like sage better shut up and change to sage.
  • Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721
    Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721 Posts: 651 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    If barb went demon just for getting rid of tiggy form damage nerf, then that barb ish missing almost everything what makes demon barbs shine compared to sages. Demon skills are the main reason a barb should think of if going demon(and they make so big difference that there's no REAL reason for going sage).

    Warning: Following wall of text contains some math to prove demon barb superiority. If you hate math, don't believe in logic or just want to keep your illusion of sage barb superiority, highlight the following text please.

    Yush, sage barbs gain 10% more from Strenght of the Titans(countered by demon Poison Fang which digs through p. def.), gain chi from swapping forms(barb with chi issues either needs barb lessons or ish something called a "bad joke") and have slightly more HP and p. def IN Tiggy/Panda form(3% more HP than demon and 8% less p. damage received at fully buffed end-game, won't save from certain death). And sage barbs have more p. attack from A/H-mastery, but ish sadly greatly diminished in effect due to already high gain from weapon attack multipliers. Whereas demons get more crit rate which ish directly increasing the damage multiplier without being diminished by anything else.

    3% more DPS from p. attack(Sage) versus 4% more DPS from crit rate(Demon), not even including crit rate boosts demon gets from many skills. Anyone can do the math on these alone.

    Demon barb, on the other hand, has crit%-boosts in many skills, most notable example being Sunder which ish usually followed by 100% critting Arma and demon Bestial Onslaught being a massive damage booster by increasing demon barb's crit rate to around 45-55%(and it ish spammable and thus usable in tanking chain).
    Demon Bestial Rage recovers more chi per hit(though lasting shorter time) thus allowing strongest skills being used within a spark/invoke without wasting secs for waiting chi to recover.
    Demon Titans improves squad's DPS with that 5%-crit boost(which ish useful for casters too, unlike sage Titans which does minimal difference even for melees. 0.1 more to 6.5 isn't much, right?).
    Demon BKI gives chi to ALL squadmates in range and thus allowing quick chi regeneration for squad between fights which ish far more useful trait(only exception being using barb as a buff hoe for solo stuff) than sage's long duration. Think about that poor wizzie who ish spamming lvl 10 Frostblade or cleric complaining about "not enough chi".

    Demon FR can be used bit more frequently which helps with aggro keeping. To those who don't know how it works: Every Flesh Ream adds 15k damage worth aggro+the damage done with it. For ex. if FR hits 8k, it adds a total of 23k damage worth of aggro.

    Demon Roar adds 5k damage worth aggro+damage reflected by 100% Bramble it grants. Bramble ish what makes it keep aggro superiorly compared to sage version which decreases opponents m. attack(which can be countered by refining elem. ornies enough high).
    And last major advantage of being a demon barb ish Demon Devour. It lasts longer which gives a chance to spam more other skills between devouring and also far less chi usage by having to use Devour 50% less frequently. Not to mention 15 attack levels-debuff which lasts the whole duration, helping any squishy APSing sin tank far better in case they do massive damage compared to ****-refined armors they tend to use. With sage Devour same things might not be possible.
    And if someone else can tank the bosses, that gives barb more time for DDing which usually helps anything go down faster(demon barbs spark a lot).

    Any more claims about sage barb being even equal to demon barb will hereby be either claimed by incompetent barbs unless accompanied by correct calculations.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Final ragequit on 21/02/2014 'cause ARC. Back on 15/04/2014, RL was bored.
    Ten Paths of Kittyness(old mains when deleted): Kittysama 100(100) Sage HA-Venomancer |Aivina 100(101) Sage (ex-Zerk) Str. Seeker | Kittytart 90(101) Demon All path Zerk BM | KittyFishie 92(101) Demon APS/DPH Zerk Assassin | Haroin 100(100) Demon Vit. Zerk Barbarian | Elfborn 82(100) Demon Cleric | Pessimiste 85(100) Sage Wizard | PalavaEnkeli 87(100) Demon Fist/APS-Archer | VerenVanki 85(100) Demon Mystic | MerenPeto 85(100) Sage Psychic
    Current mains: Old psy and 19 new/recreated mains(avg. level 82)
  • Lolgasmic - Raging Tide
    Lolgasmic - Raging Tide Posts: 1,315 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    Sage is better.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Barbarian 103 - 101 - 101
    Started playing on March 2010
  • Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721
    Kittysama - Raging Tide_1432680721 Posts: 651 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    ^will be hereby claimed "incompetent barb" according to "Any more claims about sage barb being even equal to demon barb will hereby be either claimed by incompetent barbs unless accompanied by correct calculations."
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    Final ragequit on 21/02/2014 'cause ARC. Back on 15/04/2014, RL was bored.
    Ten Paths of Kittyness(old mains when deleted): Kittysama 100(100) Sage HA-Venomancer |Aivina 100(101) Sage (ex-Zerk) Str. Seeker | Kittytart 90(101) Demon All path Zerk BM | KittyFishie 92(101) Demon APS/DPH Zerk Assassin | Haroin 100(100) Demon Vit. Zerk Barbarian | Elfborn 82(100) Demon Cleric | Pessimiste 85(100) Sage Wizard | PalavaEnkeli 87(100) Demon Fist/APS-Archer | VerenVanki 85(100) Demon Mystic | MerenPeto 85(100) Sage Psychic
    Current mains: Old psy and 19 new/recreated mains(avg. level 82)
  • Gnip - Raging Tide
    Gnip - Raging Tide Posts: 97 Arc User
    edited March 2014
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    eh, always thought sage was superior in tw, and demon was superior in pk.

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