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Colum - Raging Tide · March 2014

I am here to discuss about the usual "squad etiquette" of PWI and would like to ask few questions from the fellow forum users.

We all surely know that communication has a big part in working, organized squads, be it PVE or PVP wise. We can plan who does what, how the timing is done and where we start from. Lately, however, people have stopped caring about this communication and want things done THEIR way and everything THEY say is completely accurate and should be respected whereas no-one else in the squad has room to voice their opinions.

How this shows up in actual situations? Here's an example:

I see a Flowsilver Palace squad in world chat looking for DDs and cleric - I am on my barb but decide to try my luck so I PM the person: "barb here, I can DD." Person replies "we already have a barb."

I thought like okay, maybe they did not quite understand what I meant. I linked my weapon and repeated "I can DD". This time I get an invite, and get informed squad leader's boyfriend will tank. OK, fine, I offered to DD anyway! As I check through the other squad members I notice squad leader is a sin with 5,5k HP unbuffed and her barb boyfriend has around 18k in tiger form. 18K itself is not bad, but by further investigating I notice his weapon is a lot worse than mine and he has physical ornaments. I thought he can, however, tank the instance as that was the deal.
I asked the barb if he has level 11 buffs and his girlfriend replied he does, to which I was like OK fine then we don't need to worry about overwriting. However, when said barb buffed, my demon BKI got overwritten by a level 10 one. I requested the barb would let me do HP buff ad mine is level 11 as we proceeded to Legendary Beast. Barb overwrites my buffs again and I notify him again, to which he replies "my buffs are level 11, you sage barbs think your BKI is so much better than others". I was bit shocked since I am a demon barb, which I pointed out to him, and I told his buff cannot be level 11 as it lowered my HP from 19,6k in human form to 18,9k. My BM friend in squad also notified the barb about this. Squad leader, barb's GF, tells us to let him do his job. Barb pulls the boss and seconds later he is dead as we start to kill it. I was supposed to DD so I stayed in human form using my normal BO combo while waiting for the barb to get back. Barb dies yet two more times (at least) during the first boss. After the boss is dead me and my BM friend get lectured how the barb knows his job and we should just shut it. I said I'd only want to use my demon buff without it being overwritten, and the other barb ragequitted. His girlfriend told me and BM to shut it because she doesnt want to hear any more comments and we should have let him do what he wants. So we go to toad and figured I am the tank now. Squad leader, however, made my friend BM pissed off and he left the squad as well, killing the sin. I also left the squad after him and this scenario turned into a WC war later on.

This is definitely not the only case. People overwrite better buffs with worse ones, act ignorant and decide to rush a half pull instead of waiting few more seconds for a full one and so on. In Flowsilver Palace I always ask who is on the axes and most of the time I get no reply.

How is the situation on your server/in your squads?

And yes I know, "don't join random squads" is the thing many of you guys will say. I do not mind joining a random squad, I'll be able to handle with most of this, but I am curious to hear how the situation is elsewhere and how you guys personally work with it. What are the standards of your server? What is considered rude and what is okay?

biseptolica · March 2014

It's a known fact that you, Colum of RT, are a poor tanker and agroer. That's why noone takes you to BH100 or FS.

About the facts presented in your wall of text : In RT, rarely I saw any 100+ char rejected on FS squads. It's all about the fame you get in the server. If the fame is negative, ofc you get rejected.
I never been rejected by any squad. Cause I can do anything my role require.

WannaBM - Archosaur · March 2014

Its just a matter of different personalities and different levels of game experience. One squad might think you are too fast and not communicating enough, the other will think your a slow poke who should shut his mouth and kill. One squad likes it when you take lead and they follow in your ways. Another squad has 6 leaders. Try to addept is all we can do

And not worrying about things that absolutely dont matter like lvl 10 or 11 buffs also helps improving your experience.

Not saying i am without faults on the part of not being anoyed by things that dont really matter though

Testxvl - Sanctuary · March 2014

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

How is the situation on your server/in your squads?

What goes for Flowsilver, it arent too bad anymore. Most people started to learn more or less what to do in there, some do things in different ways but it usually turns out okay.
The class I see that have the most trouble to find squad are sins.

The 2nd boss (drake? water boss? what is it called? lol) is actually where I find people having the most trouble. As I usually playing cleric, I never know how to start on this boss, I mean some squads are like they never want to move out of those water pools (and in this case only BB can save them if they aren't tanky enough) but in result some might die because of the water DoT, and I cant purify it because I get forced to BB. Sometimes I switch a bit between BB and drop to purify, but BB still have a cooldown and require 2 sparks. I prefer staying purifying and IH etc only though.
This actually tend to happen mostly with seekers in squad. I mean I-R-VORTEX seekers, especially if they are r9rr and tend to hold aggro well. They refuse to move the boss out of water pools eh ^^; And then there are of course also those r9rr archers that are moving way too much all over the place and even sometimes reset the boss.... xD

When the instance was all new, clerics was way worse on toad boss. The almost forgotten skill purify by pve clerics was suddenly a must-use skill, and I dont think many clerics was used to that. It was painful at start, but because of the importance of the skill, most clerics are actually doing well now. *cough* or lets just say the run is do-able.

Barb pulls the boss and seconds later he is dead as we start to kill it. I was supposed to DD so I stayed in human form using my normal BO combo while waiting for the barb to get back. Barb dies yet two more times (at least) during the first boss.

I know you said you went to the squad for DDing, but being a barb and capable of taking when the main tank dies, why not do it?

What goes for his death, it must have been because of being frozen by the mobs. If you are frozen and get hit by boss or his "snow aoe" as I call it, you'll be one shot. The squad should have been doing more aoes.

Colum - Raging Tide · March 2014

biseptolica wrote: »

It's a known fact that you, Colum of RT, are a poor tanker and agroer. That's why noone takes you to BH100 or FS.

About the facts presented in your wall of text : In RT, rarely I saw any 100+ char rejected on FS squads. It's all about the fame you get in the server. If the fame is negative, ofc you get rejected.
I never been rejected by any squad. Cause I can do anything my role require.

You got it all wrong. It is a known fact that I'm a moron, more than unskilled player, but who are YOU who hides behind a stoneface avatar? Sad troll b:bye

Testxvl - Sanctuary wrote: »

What goes for Flowsilver, it arent too bad anymore. Most people started to learn more or less what to do in there, some do things in different ways but it usually turns out okay.
The class I see that have the most trouble to find squad are sins.

The 2nd boss (drake? water boss? what is it called? lol) is actually where I find people having the most trouble. As I usually playing cleric, I never know how to start on this boss, I mean some squads are like they never want to move out of those water pools (and in this case only BB can save them if they aren't tanky enough) but in result some might die because of the water DoT, and I cant purify it because I get forced to BB. Sometimes I switch a bit between BB and drop to purify, but BB still have a cooldown and require 2 sparks. I prefer staying purifying and IH etc only though.
This actually tend to happen mostly with seekers in squad. I mean I-R-VORTEX seekers, especially if they are r9rr and tend to hold aggro well. They refuse to move the boss out of water pools eh ^^; And then there are of course also those r9rr archers that are moving way too much all over the place and even sometimes reset the boss.... xD

When the instance was all new, clerics was way worse on toad boss. The almost forgotten skill purify by pve clerics was suddenly a must-use skill, and I dont think many clerics was used to that. It was painful at start, but because of the importance of the skill, most clerics are actually doing well now. *cough* or lets just say the run is do-able.

Meh, Flowsilver squads themselves are most of the time OK excluding some horrible examples but it gets really annoying when squad cannot decide a person to deal with the axes, then someone else decides to take the job and fails at it.

I know you said you went to the squad for DDing, but being a barb and capable of taking when the main tank dies, why not do it?

What goes for his death, it must have been because of being frozen by the mobs. If you are frozen and get hit by boss or his "snow aoe" as I call it, you'll be one shot. The squad should have been doing more aoes.

I continued DDing simply because 1. we had r9rr archer who could tank the boss while our supposed tank was dead and 2. squad leader kept raging that I must not tank, I am the DD.

Barb wasnt frozen by the mobs, he died before even the first wave of them appeared. I am pretty sure he either died in water dot or boss' attacks.

Domethies - Raging Tide · March 2014

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

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I so I PM the person: "barb here, I can DD." Person replies "we already have a barb."

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b:laugh i get that so often its unbelievable not for flowsilver as such but i normally pm people who need help with thier BHs like 69 and 79. I normally reply with "want a 2nd barb?" works somtimes b:chuckle

Ghrae - Dreamweaver · March 2014

Fail squads happen... but surviving with a fail squad can often be a good learning experience: how to stay alive when **** happens, etc.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · March 2014

Ghrae - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fail squads happen... but surviving with a fail squad can often be a good learning experience: how to stay alive when **** happens, etc.

That is like saying stabbing yourself is a good learning experience on how to stay alive when someone else stabs you. Lets see how many people actually stabs themselves.

As an archer who can tank just about any boss (toad included)... fail squad = I leave. Not sure why people are getting their panties in a bunch over staying in any fail squads.

Zoldi - Morai · March 2014

I also think it can sometimes be a good experience (not too often and not when you're in a hurry of course). But OP's example is a pretty bad one I would say. The barb didn't even know the level of his skills... b:shocked

MissChristy - Raging Tide · March 2014

i know Colum. He is in fact a very good barb. One of the few that know what they are doing, and i am very picky. people just take the first barb that comes along. as far as fail squad once and a while? im a person who didnt power level and know my class due to so many fail squads. So know what i say haters gonna hate <3b:chuckle

Xainou - Sanctuary · March 2014

I simply avoid bad squads by not responding to their "unjustified requirements". Enough decent groups out there to go with.

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide · March 2014

I haven't been in that fs yet. still leveling reborn, but I am glad I learned how to solo bosses up to new sot with my cleric.

I have seen debuffs, mana suck, sleeps, slow as tar casting speed, and a bunch of other stuff as I slowly leveled and took on anything that moved.

somewhere around slitt, it became very evident, and rammed home by wyvern haha that purify is the second most important skill my cleric possesses besides IH to flat stay alive out there.
when I got sgae purify, I was so stoked. it is so fast.

I have been cleric main on RT for the entire 4+ years. I am now constantly amazed by these clueless people running clerics out there. but they all have 3.3 wings, so I guess it's ok.
I still have my awesome 3.0 wings, but since I actually practice things like fighting in the air and picking mats, I can outfly most all of them too.

my point is, after seeing the lameness all around me, I refuse to go on pickup group squads.
when I get back to 100+ for good, i'll get with like elfsbane or cyanure etc one of those dozen pve faction and run dungeons with known people.

since I have been doing lots of nuemas, I randomly escort a crew of lowbies thru whatever dungeon im nueming. almost always they do stuff I wouldn't have even thought of being so lame to do. I think its funny as hell, especially since I know I cant die no matter what.

so ya, I got practice holding wyvern and debuffing myself, while rezzing dead nubs. calcid, farren,
people stuck in the hole with the pig in 59. pulling pole and nob together when they shouldn't have even been near me..i just laugh my azz off and wow do they die quick. the skeleton groups in 79.. people , you NEED to respect that gang or guess what dead again haha, love it

BUT NO SRS PICKUP GROUP SQUADS

edit: I take that back, pole and nob aggrod together killed me. but I actually want to go pull them both again. they team up on you with interrupts and debuffs and cancel your IH and and and crazy f'n fight if ther ever was one. second craziest was actually surviving that worldboss in avalanche for like 10min running around trying to type to the fac to come and get it haha.

XxWilxX - Heavens Tear · March 2014

hhmm... I usually run with friends/faction... But I got to run with randoms sometimes.

Usually there arent more than 1 barb on squad but, i've had 2 or even 3.. Didnt have any problems at all. Every1 had cool gear, the rest was just DDing...

Since im sage, when i notice demon barbs on squad i just ask 'em not to Overwrite my Titans buff, it's not a mean request, it's about having the most power buff on our squad.
Same if some1 buff with lv 10 buff BKI/SoT, i just ask 'em to don't overwrite.

So far didnt have any issue.

b:bye

Colum - Raging Tide · March 2014

XxWilxX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hhmm... I usually run with friends/faction... But I got to run with randoms sometimes.

Usually there arent more than 1 barb on squad but, i've had 2 or even 3.. Didnt have any problems at all. Every1 had cool gear, the rest was just DDing...

Since im sage, when i notice demon barbs on squad i just ask 'em not to Overwrite my Titans buff, it's not a mean request, it's about having the most power buff on our squad.
Same if some1 buff with lv 10 buff BKI/SoT, i just ask 'em to don't overwrite.

So far didnt have any issue.

b:bye

Demon Titans is better if squad is full of casters, just pointing out.

I don't know, the issue might be RT. We have some people here who get seriously nuts if u tell them not to overwrite buffs or debuffs (there was this particular mystic who said she uses befuddling creeper just to **** off other people).

Ghrae - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fail squads happen... but surviving with a fail squad can often be a good learning experience: how to stay alive when **** happens, etc.

I already have this knowledge and sometimes these squads are just frustrating more than anything else. I do not mind wipes at bosses, I do not mind instances that take a long time. I mind when people REFUSE to listen anyone else but themselves.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

That is like saying stabbing yourself is a good learning experience on how to stay alive when someone else stabs you. Lets see how many people actually stabs themselves.

As an archer who can tank just about any boss (toad included)... fail squad = I leave. Not sure why people are getting their panties in a bunch over staying in any fail squads.

Yeah nowadays I leave squads pretty fast as well... depends of situation. I'm up for trying again but if it goes into nobody listening to anyone, then there's just no point in staying.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Its just a matter of different personalities and different levels of game experience. One squad might think you are too fast and not communicating enough, the other will think your a slow poke who should shut his mouth and kill. One squad likes it when you take lead and they follow in your ways. Another squad has 6 leaders. Try to addept is all we can do

And not worrying about things that absolutely dont matter like lvl 10 or 11 buffs also helps improving your experience.

Not saying i am without faults on the part of not being anoyed by things that dont really matter though

Game experience is not the issue - teaching players is fun and cool as long as they seriously listen even a little bit instead of "I KNOW MY STUFF U BACK OFF b:angry" kind of attitude. I have pretty bad temper but I do listen to what I'm told and then think why I'd agree/disagree with said advice then reply to the person who adviced.

In my opinion what matters in the buff example is the simple manners. I mean... why WOULD YOU NOT want the best buffs squad has to offer unless it's some sort of special situation.

MissChristy - Raging Tide wrote: »

i know Colum. He is in fact a very good barb. One of the few that know what they are doing, and i am very picky. people just take the first barb that comes along. as far as fail squad once and a while? im a person who didnt power level and know my class due to so many fail squads. So know what i say haters gonna hate <3b:chuckle

Ty Christy b:cute

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I simply avoid bad squads by not responding to their "unjustified requirements". Enough decent groups out there to go with.

Yeah I don't go to the squads where I should link weapon etc. However, I wanted to enter this one since my friend was there and everything.

CheetahWoods - Raging Tide wrote: »

I haven't been in that fs yet. still leveling reborn, but I am glad I learned how to solo bosses up to new sot with my cleric.

I have seen debuffs, mana suck, sleeps, slow as tar casting speed, and a bunch of other stuff as I slowly leveled and took on anything that moved.

somewhere around slitt, it became very evident, and rammed home by wyvern haha that purify is the second most important skill my cleric possesses besides IH to flat stay alive out there.
when I got sgae purify, I was so stoked. it is so fast.

I have been cleric main on RT for the entire 4+ years. I am now constantly amazed by these clueless people running clerics out there. but they all have 3.3 wings, so I guess it's ok.
I still have my awesome 3.0 wings, but since I actually practice things like fighting in the air and picking mats, I can outfly most all of them too.

my point is, after seeing the lameness all around me, I refuse to go on pickup group squads.
when I get back to 100+ for good, i'll get with like elfsbane or cyanure etc one of those dozen pve faction and run dungeons with known people.

since I have been doing lots of nuemas, I randomly escort a crew of lowbies thru whatever dungeon im nueming. almost always they do stuff I wouldn't have even thought of being so lame to do. I think its funny as hell, especially since I know I cant die no matter what.

so ya, I got practice holding wyvern and debuffing myself, while rezzing dead nubs. calcid, farren,
people stuck in the hole with the pig in 59. pulling pole and nob together when they shouldn't have even been near me..i just laugh my azz off and wow do they die quick. the skeleton groups in 79.. people , you NEED to respect that gang or guess what dead again haha, love it

BUT NO SRS PICKUP GROUP SQUADS

edit: I take that back, pole and nob aggrod together killed me. but I actually want to go pull them both again. they team up on you with interrupts and debuffs and cancel your IH and and and crazy f'n fight if ther ever was one. second craziest was actually surviving that worldboss in avalanche for like 10min running around trying to type to the fac to come and get it haha.

Yeah you've got pretty far in yoiur studies and I appreciate that u mention my faction here, our goal is to be able to really KNOW this stuff.

Keep going the same way!

Testxvl - Sanctuary · March 2014

Sheesh, so I was in squad with this veno yesterday...

It was quite late for me and I was tired, but I couldnt stop looking at the veno anyways. She was overwriting her amp right away with soul deg and spamming purge every time it was out of cooldown. But she never started with purge, and even though squad was telling her to purge, she didnt, just amp with soul deg. I even whispered her to ask if she could purge the bosses HP buff, but she seemed to ignore the chat. It was first when the bosses HP dropped by quite a bit she started her purge spamming.
On toad boss around 30% she suddenly started picking axe and did not throw it, even though we of course told her to. After a bit she said sorry she didnt pay attention and throwed the axe randomly when the buff wasnt on boss. So started over with that ^^;
Last boss she spammed purge as well of course, and yea her purge was still in cooldown i believe when the boss went berserk and we had one death.

The run was ok though, but sometimes I wonder how people can not really know what their skill does and neither pay attention, ignore the chats almost completly and just being in the run without knowing what they are doing or anything, playing and clicking randomly skills lol.
I mean they are Lv100 afterall, hell even rebirth back to 100, shouldnt they at least have read their skill descriptions? >.>
Just like a few weeks ago, the blossom boss kept healing himself because nobody could interrup in time, and after like 10 minutes one of the BMs asked what skill could interrup ^^;;

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

Barb wasnt frozen by the mobs, he died before even the first wave of them appeared. I am pretty sure he either died in water dot or boss' attacks.

The first wave of mobs appear pretty quickly though, try pull boss up from water right away when starting and you'll see them spawning.

Colum - Raging Tide · March 2014

Testxvl - Sanctuary wrote: »

The first wave of mobs appear pretty quickly though, try pull boss up from water right away when starting and you'll see them spawning.

The thing is... he died during pulling the boss. b:surrender Only times I personally die on a barb during that boss is when the water DoT is on me, I'm outside of BB, don't notice it and don't get purified by anything. Even then it happens rarely.

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