archer stealth

Thehaxshot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

the discription of the archer stealth (Ataraxia) has changed and it doesnt say that it reduces our movement speed anymore in the discription. does this mean that archers are finnaly able to move in stealth?

we gotten a stealth skill , but we cant even move in it, people can just pot or use morai skills

whats the point of stealth?

Watch how sins use it. They shadow escape to avoid killing blows, then immediately open back up with a stun/CC. Typically your opponent is weakest after they've blown everything to get the killing blow, so this is the best time to counterattack.

Thehaxshot - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Arches lack on attack power and defense , so we atleast sshould be able to stealth.

mostly in the server its always ganking so , and theres no point us having stealth while we cant move or anything , because we either have to use teleport scrolls to teleport away , and having to use a psychic alt to summon us back to the spot lol.

Archers lack attack power ? since when

Archers that think EAs are underpowered.. Learn to play your class lol.

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is it really? Add leaps to the equation and you got a 40m radius to be in from the last position you saw the archer. xD Honestly, no. I don't see it being unfair.

Assuming the leaps aren't on cooldown as it's likely they'd have been used beforehand.

Even then it's... really not that difficult to tag a stealthed archer because said leaps are the only way they have to get around. At least not to anyone that's used to assassins since their stealth is far less restrictive.

But it's less of a questionof fair/unfair to me and more useful/not useful. Good for a quick (temporary) escape a la spark resisting. Bad for pretty much anything else thanks to stealth pots and lack of mobility.

And camping one spot in stealth like that is just too silly for me to bother discussing it because of that lack of mobility... which also extends to air.

Archers are not necessarily underpowered, they're just overwhelmingly boring, because the new update did not give us anything new to play with it. The only change in our gameplay is reactionary to what OTHER classes got from the update, so when I say archers got shafted in the latest update, that's what I mean. Archers have always been notoriously bad in terms of numbers on paper, so complaining about it now is kind of pointless. I'm mostly just BORED of having the same old skills while everyone else gets something new. I literally put nothing new on my hotkey bar this update. That's what annoys me.

As for stealth, it's really only useful against lazy people, stupid people, oblivious people, or a combination of those. I myself find it useful to buy me a few seconds to equip a new charm when my charm runs out, because people in NW tend to be too lazy to try-hard detect pot you (unless you're a very unpopular person I guess). When others use it against me I find it a minor annoyance at best because if I really cared about that person attacking me again I have to turn my screen in that direction while I go about my business. But yes, at best, a MINOR ANNOYANCE. If you're good you can do as Kossy said and buy yourself a charm tick, but with the cast time it's a bit risky unless you have WoG on top of it. I mean I've done it, but it's certainly not as good as a WoG.

Lastly, damage output? Archers have the worst damage spike potential. If you think archers have "high damage output" either you or your gear sucks (or maybe both). What archers do have is a lot of damage THREAT, which is what makes them so good in group PVP in spite of their craptastic stats. If you are standing inside an archer's radius of attack, you either have to do something about it, or you will be constantly taking annoying arrows up the butt/in the face/in the knee/everywhere, most with a chance to purge (unless you are a demon archer who plays like a sage like a certain archer who has in fact posted in this thread but I will not name names...). This means if you plan on engaging a group that has an archer/archers, you will be very sad if you don't chase them around and shut them down. Even though those craptastic arrows are bouncing off your ridiculously high pdef (and AAs have pretty ridiculous pdef nowadays), they WILL keep your charm ticking, which gives someone else plenty of room to set you up and kill you. Or they will just dps you to a long agonizingly slow death.

Archers are great allies to have in group PVP of any type (PK/TW/NW). It's just very frustrating for the person playing the archer because of the way the game is not-balanced.

Oh yea, despite the crappy update, I would still say the single most annoying thing being an archer is people complaining about how strong archers are. As I said, if you are getting consistently insta-rolled by archers (and here I mean LONE ARCHERS, an archer by him/herself, an archer who killed you without team help), either your gear sucks or your play sucks. Archers ARE dangerous, and they DO output quite a bit of damage over a long period of time, but all this QQ about them is actually laughable because of the number of options you have to do something about it. Yea, complain more about the purge. It's useful, but would you prefer we got GoF or purify instead? Yea didn't think so.

I don't necessarily agree with some of the people complaining that archers now suck. Yes, between our worst weapon proc, crappy stats, lack of spike damage, and now even our antistun made obsolete by knockdown, we have seen better days, but I don't think archers are useless at all. I would argue that in spite of all our weakness, archers are still invaluable to any group PVP scene, especially because now that everyone's defenses are ridiculous, the purge is an integral part of focus-targetting. However, to say that archers do not deserve updates to keep gameplay fresh and to keep up with the advances all the other classes are getting is extremely selfish and actually quite stupid.

tl;dr: Learn the strengths AND the limits of your class; and archers are boring.

Edit2: Sorry Kossy for this post being very long and ever so slightly off topic (I imagine this fits better in with the archer QQ threads, but I really couldn't assed to participate in really long threads).

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Is it really? Add leaps to the equation and you got a 40m radius to be in from the last position you saw the archer. xD Honestly, no. I don't see it being unfair.

Lol?
Sin stealth purifies and gives one spark and movement is enabled allows you to double spark without breaking the stealth status and has 2x30m teleports.

There's a stealth pot usable by all classes that let's you use friendly skills on other targets without breaking and is movement enabled.
Good one.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

You expect 1 hit to charm tick heavies? You think you're supposed to bypass 40-50k heavies with just a 2 spark nuke or something and you complain when archers think they don't have spike?

Man get some perspective. At least no archer has complained about not being able to charm tick arcanes in a single hit lol.

I'd expect to at least tick his charm on a spell that forces me to sit there for 5 seconds and blow 2 sparks, especially since we don't have a purge proc to rely on to kill something.

Also it's a bit ridiculous for archers to complain about damage and then not factor in cast times. An archer can attack multiple times in 10 seconds, while most casters will get off at most 3-5 spells in that duration. When heavys are packing 30k+ hp how hard do you think we need to hit when we only have 3-5 shots?

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

Who still channels for 5s at endgame? Maybe if you count in 3 sparks. Besides, I may not tick in 2 waves of barrage either.

BIDS is 4 sec channel + 1.6s cast, nothing can reduce cast time so w/ 25% channel times is ~4.6s, Blade tempest is 4.8s, while MS is 5.2s. This also doesn't factor in having to cast Undine strike before-hand to actually do decent damage either, which takes up another ~1.2s before we even start doing damage.

Aesthor - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Edit2: Sorry Kossy for this post being very long and ever so slightly off topic (I imagine this fits better in with the archer QQ threads, but I really couldn't assed to participate in really long threads).

No worries, Aes. The discussion basically turned that way in here anyways. That and what you're saying is totally true anyways. b:cute

KingThis - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Archers purge has been nerfed beyond usefulness. I can go into a 10 min fight without seeing a single purge, and now that everyones and their mother purges using cele swords. Our proc is as useless as ever lol. to speak.

Seriously ? Either you're really unlucky, either I am even more than I thought... I'm always getting purged in a few seconds by R9.3 bow then I rebuff and as soon as I'm rebuffed I'm purged again (and then skills/pots are in cooldown). I even consider R9.3 archers being more efficient to purge than veno because you can see the veno coming and they have a 30 sec cooldown when an archer can sometimes purge 3-4 times (from so far...) in a 30 seconds period ...

Oh ok, that's a little clearer... 1v1 is really situationnal anyway but still... it happened several time to.me being attacked by an archer who opened with stunning arrow then QS and autoattack. And I was purged before being able to move or use skills, so...
And hopefully you can't purge while kitting (still are the only class being able to purge from that far)

Anyway what you said below is really true.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Luck involved either way obviously, and you are more likely to recall the times you got purged several times, and archers are more likely to recall the times it never proc'ed.

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

cele swords? explain!

Genie skill Celestial sword, drains genie but doesn't require energy to use, so you can spam, like one every second or more, the genie attack can proc weapon effects.

So wield a purge pole/purge bow, chase the target or kite the target around spam clicking that skill till purge.