Should Harshlands be kept a PVE server?

Burnout - Harshlands · February 2014

I'm wondering how many are actually in support of switching HL to pve, vs who are upset and want pvp back.

Eoria - Harshlands · February 2014

Should've made this a visible poll where we can see who voted for what.

Burnout - Harshlands · February 2014

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Should've made this a visible poll where we can see who voted for what.

I considered it but it would probably skew the results too much.

Zytreta - Harshlands · February 2014

****. That's the stupidest thing I've ever seen. GO PLAY A PVE SERVER IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT.. OMFG!

Euthymius - Heavens Tear · February 2014

Well...I'll have to disagree with this idea. There are far more PVE servers both in the East and West than there are PVP. Why then should a server and its populace, who've coped under the circumstances of PVP established since its opening be made to adapt to another server type?

Players come to frequent one of each of those two types of servers for a reason: be it questing as a blue name to their heart's content or the thrill of playing hunter/prey against others after lv 30 indefinitely...and with only 1 PVP server per region, they should still have the choice option to play under whichever circumstances suit them.

Asterelle - Sanctuary · February 2014

There's something to be said about servers that switch between the two. Maybe 2 weeks on and 2 weeks off.

Clokey - Harshlands · February 2014

1. Get PvE Players in PvP server is stupid, if u like the PvE, not the PvP, go to PvP server, pwi has too much servers PvE.
2. It was a bug, cause harsland is PVP not PVE.
3. Anyways this bug was fixed anyways. No more PVE option.

b:pleased b:victory b:thanks

ovenusarmanio · February 2014

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well...I'll have to disagree with this idea. There are far more PVE servers both in the East and West than there are PVP. Why then should a server and its populace, who've coped under the circumstances of PVP established since its opening be made to adapt to another server type?

Players come to frequent one of each of those two types of servers for a reason: be it questing as a blue name to their heart's content or the thrill of playing hunter/prey against others after lv 30 indefinitely...and with only 1 PVP server per region, they should still have the choice option to play under whichever circumstances suit them.

I agree, people who want it to stay that way should just reroll or deal with like they have been. :P There aren't many pvp servers and although I personally don't enjoy them, I recognize the beauty of giving us two different options. To each their own.

Burnout - Harshlands · February 2014

The fact of the matter is that PWI is largely a North American playerbase. Americans are generally unable to deal with pk in general, they're not used to people saying "No" to them, or being faced with the fact that they can't have something they want.

I think HL and LC has a larger population of Asian and Latino players for that reason. They're generally less prone to rage and frustration which is pretty much a requirement to survive in a free pk environment. They also tend to party/group/work together in small groups more often, which is where most of the fun in pk lies.

Americans are a lot more rigid with rules as well. They tend to be more "bang bang, get this done, get that done, must complete my to -do list, or this won't be fun". Other cultures tend to be more open to deviating from plans and being ok with things not going the way they want to. Pretty much if I end up pk'ing and miss out on something I wanted to do (like tiger event), I don't view it as a waste of time, I view it as trading one fun activity for another fun activity, since I don't set expectations or "goals" for the day.

It can be frustrating for an American with a solo mindset to deal with a gang of pk'ers that he doesn't know how to handle, but, I guess that's just how things are. It appears if it was left to a vote, HL would just barely stay PVE.

Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary · February 2014

PVP = PVP, PVE = PVE, keep them separate, it`s re tarded if you are forced to do what you do not want, if a pve server would be turned into a pvp I`d be HIGHLY dissatisfied, all the morons who would support this are cs`ers with decked out characters that touch themselves when they faceroll smb.

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · February 2014

I voted yes just because.

Truly though, they should fix the PvP mechanics so that dipwad R9*** morons can't squish the little guys trying to actually play. There needs to be a level-gap limitation to even the playing field. +/- 5 levels is usually a good spread.

Then they should make ALL the servers PvP, and you can get a boutique item if you want to be excluded. b:victory

Socqar - Lost City · February 2014

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I voted yes just because.

Truly though, they should fix the PvP mechanics so that dipwad R9*** morons can't squish the little guys trying to actually play. There needs to be a level-gap limitation to even the playing field. +/- 5 levels is usually a good spread.

Then they should make ALL the servers PvP, and you can get a boutique item if you want to be excluded. b:victory

Completly OT but every time I read on your sig. "Lvl 100 R8 Cleric takes down R9rr Archer..." I laugh so loud for myself xD ijs unless EA is afk there's no chance for an ep to bypass the charm on a properly built r9rr, considering properly someone with refines and shard, those "I farmed my r9rr but I'm full +3" won't count as r9rr...

Back on topic, the lvl limitation is kinda pointless as most of us are already maxed out in lvling, some even 3 times (damn Identical almost 105x3 xD) but could have a valid point for those hardcore pve'ers who just lvl slow and like to play... Who knows!

SylenThunder - Twilight Temple · February 2014

Socqar - Lost City wrote: »

Completly OT but every time I read on your sig. "Lvl 100 R8 Cleric takes down R9rr Archer..." I laugh so loud for myself xD ijs unless EA is afk there's no chance for an ep to bypass the charm on a properly built r9rr, considering properly someone with refines and shard, those "I farmed my r9rr but I'm full +3" won't count as r9rr...

I know, which is what makes it so sad that I took down that same archer not once, but three or 4 times in NW. I really wish I had some orbs on me to look at their stats because they must have seriously screwed up their build to be that bad.

People play really stupid too. I remember when I was first playing my Psy, at level 42 I could take out BM's in their 70's and Wizards in their 80's without even breaking a sweat. And it wasn't about gear either, I just knew what they were going to do and knew how to counter-act it.

And anyone that whines about balance is just a wuss. If there were true balance, it would be boring as hell. I thoroughly enjoy doing TW and taking down 103-105 R9? Sins and BM's just because they down't know how to deal with a cleric that actually fights. Hell, I'll even drop that APS barb in 3-4 hits because they don't have a clue about how to properly gear their toon for survival.

Msdoomdesire - Sanctuary · February 2014

Yall probably wouldn't like me then b:chuckle if i had it my way anyone who has acquired an r9 ring would be forced into pk b:chuckle I think it sounds like fun especially since I still think of r9 gear as pvp gear and g16 and under as being all around gear.

JYUUU - Harshlands · February 2014

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I voted yes just because.

Truly though, they should fix the PvP mechanics so that dipwad R9*** morons can't squish the little guys trying to actually play. There needs to be a level-gap limitation to even the playing field. +/- 5 levels is usually a good spread.

Honestly, everyone gets tired of this. Except for special events where you'll have to PK lowbies so they don't pick ur **** cuz there already enough blue names picking rewards they don't deserve, people rarely waste time one shotting lowbies except if they are 15 years old like i used to do a few years ago.

The community isn't changing that much, and pretty much all the strong players are playing this game for a long time, at least on HL, they grew up with the game, and became mature, unlike a few years ago, so you won't see people camping lowbies areas like u could before even on PVP servers.

On topic, i think everything has been said, and it's amazing to see the poll is goin for a switch to PVE server even if it won't happen. Can't forget that anyone can vote in this poll tho, so some PVP haters who aren't even from HL can vote.

MissCherie - Harshlands · February 2014

When we see the issues PVE servers have with auto-cultivation system, I think PVP servers have an advantage, there's no people that bot at the questing areas so we don't have issues questing. (dailies)

I voted no.

Samaranight - Sanctuary · February 2014

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

The fact of the matter is that PWI is largely a North American playerbase. Americans are generally unable to deal with pk in general, they're not used to people saying "No" to them, or being faced with the fact that they can't have something they want.

I think HL and LC has a larger population of Asian and Latino players for that reason. They're generally less prone to rage and frustration which is pretty much a requirement to survive in a free pk environment. They also tend to party/group/work together in small groups more often, which is where most of the fun in pk lies.

Americans are a lot more rigid with rules as well. They tend to be more "bang bang, get this done, get that done, must complete my to -do list, or this won't be fun". Other cultures tend to be more open to deviating from plans and being ok with things not going the way they want to. Pretty much if I end up pk'ing and miss out on something I wanted to do (like tiger event), I don't view it as a waste of time, I view it as trading one fun activity for another fun activity, since I don't set expectations or "goals" for the day.

It can be frustrating for an American with a solo mindset to deal with a gang of pk'ers that he doesn't know how to handle, but, I guess that's just how things are. It appears if it was left to a vote, HL would just barely stay PVE.

So because you aren't getting your way you decide to use mild racism as a way to vent your frustration and throw out a bunch of assumptions about a culture you clearly do not understand?

Desdi - Sanctuary · February 2014

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

When we see the issues PVE servers have with auto-cultivation system, I think PVP servers have an advantage, there's no people that bot at the questing areas so we don't have issues questing. (dailies)

Most people are exaggerating when talking about it or they don't know where to look for alternative spots with the quest mobs. I'd say too much coin being generated is more of an issue but I haven't noticed any drastic change yet. Token price maybe but that was steadily raising before the expansion.

Weren't people raging for being killed and not being able to complete their dailies on some other HL thread?

Pretty sure in both cases people are just exaggerating and overreacting.

Socqar - Lost City · February 2014

SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know, which is what makes it so sad that I took down that same archer not once, but three or 4 times in NW. I really wish I had some orbs on me to look at their stats because they must have seriously screwed up their build to be that bad.

People play really stupid too. I remember when I was first playing my Psy, at level 42 I could take out BM's in their 70's and Wizards in their 80's without even breaking a sweat. And it wasn't about gear either, I just knew what they were going to do and knew how to counter-act it.

And anyone that whines about balance is just a wuss. If there were true balance, it would be boring as hell. I thoroughly enjoy doing TW and taking down 103-105 R9? Sins and BM's just because they down't know how to deal with a cleric that actually fights. Hell, I'll even drop that APS barb in 3-4 hits because they don't have a clue about how to properly gear their toon for survival.

Lol that's so sad...

In NW you can just select the player, click whisper and you'll get his name, after NW seek him and LOL at him while you check gears just for the lulz.

Ijs r9rr ea being killed by an EP deserves to have the credit card cut in 2 O.o

Rayne_ - Harshlands · February 2014

I agree with Eoria on a visible poll, and I voted no.

While I would have preferred a PVE server for my first MMO experience 5 years ago, it doesn't take a neuroscientist to figure out how to avoid it if you're not interested at the moment.

Honestly, PVE servers are nothing but constant victories over dungeons with mechanical gameplay.

PVP is a welcome break from that, and I'd be heinously bored if I wasn't able to fight something capable of making organic decisions.

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Voted no. Though I do not currently play on a PvP server I do have a mid-level lowish toon on HL and play there when I feel the need to do some dabbling in PK experience.

There are plenty of PvE servers, ridding the game of one of the two PvP servers would be rather stupid in my opinion, also seeing as it's this far into the game's life and everyone who has rolled onto HL and has been there for x amount of months/years dealing with and/or loving the PK aspect of it just wouldn't be right to change it.

opkossy · February 2014

I voted yes in an attempt to bring the poll back to a completely balanced result.

I do not actually agree with the idea of making Harshlands a PvE server.

MissCherie - Harshlands · February 2014

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Most people are exaggerating when talking about it or they don't know where to look for alternative spots with the quest mobs. I'd say too much coin being generated is more of an issue but I haven't noticed any drastic change yet. Token price maybe but that was steadily raising before the expansion.

Weren't people raging for being killed and not being able to complete their dailies on some other HL thread?

Pretty sure in both cases people are just exaggerating and overreacting.

I don't know it's a couple of threads people from PVE make on that, it most be an issue on some servers. xD

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2014

voted yes cause its fun to see the pvpers QQ

Msdoomdesire - Sanctuary · February 2014

Rayne_ - Harshlands wrote: »

I agree with Eoria on a visible poll, and I voted no.

While I would have preferred a PVE server for my first MMO experience 5 years ago, it doesn't take a neuroscientist to figure out how to avoid it if you're not interested at the moment.

Honestly, PVE servers are nothing but constant victories over dungeons with mechanical gameplay.

PVP is a welcome break from that, and I'd be heinously bored if I wasn't able to fight something capable of making organic decisions.

Yay yay ty +1

I don't see how some people don't get bored of the "mechanical" gameplay. PvP is what getting good gear is for, not to kill mobs faster >. < .

PvP fun facts:
For those drama lovers pvp can be full of it. b:cute

You actually get to fight things with their own thought process b:cute if u don't like that then just think of them as a mob with artificial intelligence b:avoid

Pk specifically u can win things if your that type of person b:sin yes you have chance to lose things, but that's why u have to play smart.

U normally don't need a group to kill a player, but hey some people u can treat like mobs and gank them lol.

More stuffs, but the point is that pvp is fun. I still can't put my finger on why people have fun killing things that do the same thing over and over again. As I said just pretend player is a mob because u can do anything to a player that you can do to a mob lol. Only difference is that a player isn't as predictable nor constant.

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver · February 2014

Well on PvE servers we still have TW, NW and the option to go into PK mode whenever we feel like it. o,o It's not like we are perma PvE and can never fight another living soul ever. xD

Burnout - Harshlands · February 2014

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Well on PvE servers we still have TW, NW and the option to go into PK mode whenever we feel like it. o,o It's not like we are perma PvE and can never fight another living soul ever. xD

The thing about that is, controlled PVP experience tend to get very stale, because nothing novel or unique ever happens in them.

Check out this article for a look at the drama/epic storylines that can happen in a free pvp game.

As another example. I was camping sky owl one night, and ended up finding and pk'ing a cleric. Immediately, a sin pops up and starts attacking me. I notice he's one of the best geared sins on the server. He quickly takes me down because I'm unbuffed while he has full buffs. I eat a buff pill, come back, and eat a vacuity to take down the cleric again while avoiding the sin's CC's. I then have an intense, 5 minute duel with the sin, with several moments where we both fall under 10% hp. The damage on both ends was extereme because the sin was sharded a mix of offensive/defensive shards. I finally kill him.

The cleric calls her husband in, and they then come 3-man gank me. I die quickly because the BM called in is pretty much max geared from farming world bosses for several years. I try again, same result, I get rolled. I then call in GC for some assistance.

A psy answers the call, and says "OMW". I go back to the pk spot, and find out that they're just leaving. I drop down, surprise them and quickly take down the cleric. At this point I pop a stone pot and start turtling the BM and Psy, to buy time for the psychic to come.

At this point I'm BEGGING the psy to hurry up, because it's simply not possible to indefinitely tank a +12 dervish and +12 adversity, especially once all my anti-stuns/pots/genies run out. The Psy literally ends up coming just in time, he drops down, and we both start nuking them. The sin quickly drops due to his buffs going down, and the BM drops a couple charm ticks later.

Spontaneous, small-scale PvP like that rarely if ever happens on a pve server. On a pve server, the cleric would have been blue named, which never would have provoked the sin, who never would have called in the BM. It's stuff like that that really makes being in a pvp server worthwhile, even despite the griefing and cheap-pk that often happens on a server like that.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2014

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

The thing about that is, controlled PVP experience tend to get very stale, because nothing novel or unique ever happens in them.

Check out this article for a look at the drama/epic storylines that can happen in a free pvp game.

As another example. I was camping sky owl one night, and ended up finding and pk'ing a cleric. Immediately, a sin pops up and starts attacking me. I notice he's one of the best geared sins on the server. He quickly takes me down because I'm unbuffed while he has full buffs. I eat a buff pill, come back, and eat a vacuity to take down the cleric again while avoiding the sin's CC's. I then have an intense, 5 minute duel with the sin, with several moments where we both fall under 10% hp. The damage on both ends was extereme because the sin was sharded a mix of offensive/defensive shards. I finally kill him.

The cleric calls her husband in, and they then come 3-man gank me. I die quickly because the BM called in is pretty much max geared from farming world bosses for several years. I try again, same result, I get rolled. I then call in GC for some assistance.

A psy answers the call, and says "OMW". I go back to the pk spot, and find out that they're just leaving. I drop down, surprise them and quickly take down the cleric. At this point I pop a stone pot and start turtling the BM and Psy, to buy time for the psychic to come.

When the psy finally does come, he drops down, and we both start nuking them. The sin quickly drops due to his buffs going down, and the BM drops a couple charm ticks later.

Spontaneous, small-scale PvP like that rarely if ever happens on a pve server. On a pve server, the cleric would have been blue named, which never would have provoked the sin, who never would have called in the BM. It's stuff like that that really makes being in a pvp server worthwhile, even despite the griefing and cheap-pk that often happens on a server like that.

but no one on the pvp server agreed with me when i suggested no safezone pk server on that emergency pvp-pve maint. thread b:sad

Miugre - Heavens Tear · February 2014

If people want to roll on a server that encourages the glorification of this game's power creep until the server is so dead that there's no one left to PK, then that's their prerogative. I don't roll on PVP servers for a reason... but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist.

That being said, there were a few people who thought it'd be funny to suggest that PVE servers should all go PVP instead. So I'm voting Yes out of spite. :P

Msdoomdesire - Sanctuary · February 2014

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If people want to roll on a server that encourages the glorification of this game's power creep until the server is so dead that there's no one left to PK, then that's their prerogative. I don't roll on PVP servers for a reason... but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist.

That being said, there were a few people who thought it'd be funny to suggest that PVE servers should all go PVP instead. So I'm voting Yes out of spite. :P

U don't role on pve servers because it'd be to hard or to annoying u mean? How is power creep only encouraged by pvp? A lot more pve happens than pvp even on pvp server lol. As I said their are those who like the easy and constant and their are those who want the challenge of mobs with intelligence... I know which one you are b:chuckle u go boy! You tear those mobs up b:cute.

I could possibly be wrong and you could like doing both, but for those who only like easy pve yall have fun constantly beating up same predictable mobs^^.

For those who welcome the challenge of intelligent mobs, I luv u! b:kiss

Burnout - Harshlands · February 2014

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If people want to roll on a server that encourages the glorification of this game's power creep until the server is so dead that there's no one left to PK, then that's their prerogative. I don't roll on PVP servers for a reason... but that doesn't mean they don't have a right to exist.

That being said, there were a few people who thought it'd be funny to suggest that PVE servers should all go PVP instead. So I'm voting Yes out of spite. :P

The poll results speak for themselves...even people who roll pvp end up wanting to switch back to pvp. I can only guess how incredibly bad it would be on a PVE server.

Even if most people end up quitting on a pvp server, there would still be more people to pk than on a pve server, so what's your point?

Last time I checked, HT only had around 750 people in NW while HL had a little under 700, so it's not like your server is thriving either. I'm thinking people quit PVE servers out of pure boredom with fighting basic AI mobs all day.

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