What Class Should I Choose?

Zenle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

This guide is meant to help new players coming to pwi and are trying to figure out which class to choose. I also will include some links to guides I use or find helpful.

Damage Dealers aka DD:
Assassin - ✗ ✗
Wizard - ✗ ✗
Archer - ✗ ✗
Psychic - ✗ ✗
Mystic - ✗

Tanker
Barbarian aka Barb - ✗ ✗
Blademaster aka BM - ✗ ✗
Seeker - ✗ ✗ ✗

Healer
Cleric - ✗ ✗

Pet/Damage Dealer/Tank/Healer
Venomancer - ✗ ✗

Mystics, archers and psychics can tank.

Mystics are often use as main/solo healers.

Veno healer and DD? ...

BM are not just tank they are mainly use as support.

Your problem is you miss a category which is support, bm, veno, mystic and cleric are support.

By the way the mystic's guide you did link is outdated and many info are wrong in that guide, not saying it's your fault, but not cause it's sticky that it's good.

Let me alter your list a little:

single target DD:
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
APS barb ✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗
seeker ✗✗✗
cleric/non-aps barb ✗
all others ✗✗

aoe DD:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗✗
Wizzard ✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗
others ✗

Squad aoe tanking:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗ (hard to hold agro)
Archer ✗✗ (hard to tank dmg)
wizzy ✗✗(hard to tank dmg)
Others - (hard to do both)

Squad boss tanking:
Barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗
Others ✗

Healing:
Cleric: ✗✗✗✗✗
Mystic: ✗✗✗✗
Others: -

Soloing end game stuff:
APS barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
All others ✗✗

non-heal support including squad buffs:
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Veno ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗
barb ✗✗
sin ✗✗
cleric ✗✗
mystic ✗
others -

(tanking is the combination of holding agro and taking the dmg)
edit: psy and mystic included everywhere

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Let me alter your list a little:

single target DD:
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
APS barb ✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗
seeker ✗✗✗
cleric/non-aps barb ✗
all others ✗✗

aoe DD:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗✗
Wizzard ✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗

Squad aoe tanking:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗
Archer ✗✗
wizzy ✗✗

Squad boss tanking:
Barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗

Healing:
Cleric: ✗✗✗✗✗
Mystic: ✗✗✗✗

Soloing end game stuff:
APS barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
All others ✗✗

non-heal support including buffs:
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Veno ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗
barb ✗✗
sin ✗✗
cleric ✗✗

(tanking is the combination of holding agro and taking the dmg)

Wow that hate on mystic, the ONLY place you did put mystic is at healer.

Let me help you:

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Let me alter your list a little:

single target DD:
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
APS barb ✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗
seeker ✗✗✗
cleric/non-aps barb ✗
all others ✗✗
Psychic
Mystic

aoe DD:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗✗✗
Wizzard ✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗
Psychic
Mystic

Squad aoe tanking:
Seeker ✗✗✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗✗✗
BM ✗✗
Archer ✗✗
wizzy ✗✗
Psychic
Mystic

Squad boss tanking:
Barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗
Archer
Seeker
Mystic
Psychic

Healing:
Cleric: ✗✗✗✗✗
Mystic: ✗✗✗✗

Soloing end game stuff:
APS barb ✗✗✗✗✗
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Sin ✗✗✗✗✗
All others ✗✗
Archer
Mystic

non-heal support including buffs:
BM ✗✗✗✗✗
Veno ✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗✗ <-???
barb ✗✗
sin ✗✗ <-???
cleric ✗✗
Mystic
Barb

(tanking is the combination of holding agro and taking the dmg)

I realize actually that you don't seems to know a lot about casters and their capacities.

Sin and Archer are not support.

You should call that last category ''Support'' cause ''including buffs'' is stupid, all class have buffs.

The only one that didn't had mistake was the ''Healing''.

And too complicated in my opinion for the rest, ''AOE DD'' ''AOE tanking''? Same thing.

In my opinion there should be 4 categories, DD, support, tank and healer and a note can be add next to the class.

Example:

DD (Damage Dealer):
Wizard (Single and AOE targets)
Archer (Single and AOE targets)
Sin (Single target)
Psychic (Single and AOE targets)
Seeker (AOE targets)
Mystic (Single and AOE targets)

Healers:
Cleric
Mystic

Tank:
BM
Archer
Barb
Psychic
Seeker
Mystic

*Sins with decent gears can tank.

**Veno's pets can tank, but mostly when the veno is soloing instance (TT etc...)

Support:
BM (Debuffs)
Cleric (Heals, buffs)
Veno (Debuffs)
Mystic (Heals, buffs)

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Technically all class can DD cause all class have DD skills, if the class is not in the DD category it's cause they are not took in squad as DD.

Example: Veno have single and AOE damage skills, but Veno are wanted in squad for their support role for debuffs and not as main DD.

It also depend on gears/weap, usually people that need DD will take an Archer over a Veno, but if the Archer use a R8+5 bow and the Veno a R9rr+12 pataka then yes the Veno will be take over the Archer, but on equally gears/weap Veno won't be taken as DD unless the squad forming don't get any better offer. (gears/weap/class)

Same for support, all class have buffs, so I didn't put class like barb in support cause people don't take barb only for his buff, but for tanking.

There's always exceptions to all of that. It could happen that a squad that have a tank that is not a barb decide to fill the squad with a barb for the buff, so I placed the class by the role people expect them to play.

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A question that come often is ''What class should I pick if I want to farm solo?'', there's many answers to that, none is bad, but in majority the classes chose for solo farming are:

Sin
BM
Veno
Mystic

*Some other class can solo with a different build than the usual (APS barb), but it's not a majority of people doing it and it can cost more money to build it.

**Some class like Archer can become able to solo a lot of things, but they need to have great gears and be ready to spend a lot of money in charms/pots.

Which one to chose?

Start by deciding if you want to play a caster or melee, than after that it's kinda by preference. They all have advantages/disadvantages. If you want to know about a specific class you can go in the classes section and ask people what you want to know.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Oh indeed i have no experience playing casters. I post from my experience playing with other people. I regularly run into situations where i am working to keep agro from archers and wizzies doing their continuous AOE. Never have it happen with psys and mystics. dunno what they do really. Might have missed some things. Same reasoning for other categories. Just dont take it personal
Buffs are a factor imo because it makes the class wanted in a squad. Archers also have a damage amp debuf.

It's not about hate it's about you totally didn't put psy and mystic in category, pretty much saying they are nothing, but I guess on PVE servers people still walk in Morai gears so and form squads by buffs over roles.

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

You do seem to take it personal....

But ye, they dont seem to have very defined important roles to me. Except for the veno support buffs and the mystics healing, i do consider the casters all kind of similar moderate DDs. I dont hate any of them, and i never deny them in my squad, even in mobless FWs i will take any class with a G16+10 weapon. I also take mystics just as happily as clerics. So i dont think i should be persecuted for racism or something.

But really none of them can hold a candle to the seekers aoe capabilities and none of them come close to the aps single target DD. The archer kind falls in the same category except for BV and the fact that it clearly out DDs the rest as it is the only toon that ever steals agro from me when fighting APS resistant bosses. So thats why they are in the "all others" category. I forgot to add that category to each of the sections.

Mystics and psys on your servers must be unskilled or using lvl 1 wood stick. b:shocked

In what planet are psy, mystic and archers tanks?

Sure they *can* tank, but they aren't *good* at it. Any class can tank with good use of skills, apo and genie. A barb with huge hp and the aggro skills will always be better.

As for thinking psys aren't aoe DD . . . . you obviously have only played in squads with tremulous psychics.

Even a psy with mediocre gear aoe kills anything apart from bosses in 3 hits. The knack is to get those 3 hits in before the mobs hit the psy.

mrcharlytoo wrote: »

In what planet are psy, mystic and archers tanks?

Planet HL.

I didn't meet a barb yet able to keep aggro on Mysics that are R9rr (not even need to be +12), same with psychic. (Even with G16 I was stealing aggro over APS BMs/sins)

I personally cannot 3 spark without getting aggro. (unless a mystic with a more refined weapon than me is in squad or a psychic that know what to do AKA Longknife)

Didn't you saw the thread about ''Psy tanking FSP''? That's not a troll thread just saying.

For mytics go ahead and ask in the mystic's section about mystic's ability to tank.

bearishidonteven wrote: »

let me alter all your list really quick

single target DD:
Sin ✗
APS barb ✗
BM ✗
Archer ✗
seeker ✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
non aps barb ✗
all others ✗

aoe DD:
Seeker ✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
Archer ✗
Wizzard ✗
Demon Barb ✗
BM ✗
others ✗

Squad aoe tanking:
Seeker ✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
Demon Barb ✗
BM ✗ (hard to hold agro)
Archer ✗ (hard to tank dmg)
wizzy ✗(hard to tank dmg)
Others - (hard to do both)

Squad boss tanking:
Barb ✗
BM ✗
Sin ✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
Others ✗

Healing:
Cleric: ✗✗✗✗✗
Mystic: ✗✗
Others: -

Soloing end game stuff:
APS barb ✗
BM ✗
Sin ✗✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
All others ✗

non-heal support including squad buffs:
BM ✗✗
Veno ✗
Archer ✗
barb ✗
sin ✗✗
cleric ✗✗✗✗✗
cleric ✗
mystic ✗✗
others -✗

something tells me ur class is a cleric b/c this list is really skewed to clerics lol...either that or u're wanting more people to b clerics...plz no..we don't need more nab clerics who don't know how to simply heal a squad and try to b some sort of tank or dd or anything besides what a cleric is supposed to be. (granted..as a cleric I do tank in gv, pull mobs in fsp, and other crzy things most clerics probably shouldn't do, but i know my limits and I know how to deal with situations.)

Now to the beginners...like any class, the skill of the player + the gear of the player + understanding the limits of ur class = a good class for whatever you may pick. Just try a class that sounds fun...if u get bored with it fast switch and try something new. I actually started as a wizard, but ended up switching to a cleric and I've loved it ever since. Some people like to kill from range, some people like to be hard to kill, and some just like to assist their team. Whatever u like to do, just pick a class that seems to fit u and don't be afraid to try something new. b:cute

Zenle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

☯ Ranged Attack
Archer

I like to go smack the boss in the face with my wand.

Your guide is too complicated in my opinion.

Plus once the person has chose his class he can go directly in the class section read the guide or ask question, I don't think guides need to be link here it just make your guide bigger and more complicated.