How Does Barb Arma works?

bangis2010
bangis2010 Posts: 0 Arc User
edited February 2014 in Barbarian
I dont know if this was asked before,

They say Arma work base on what HP you have, Is this true? What if i triple spark and then use arma, what will be the effect?

When was the right moment to use this OP skills? at first attack ? once the charm tick? or at 55%-60%(you can assume % on his HP bar) of opponent hp? Prove why it is the right timing.
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  • FistToDeath - Dreamweaver
    FistToDeath - Dreamweaver Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bangis2010 wrote: »
    I dont know if this was asked before,

    They say Arma work base on what HP you have, Is this true? What if i triple spark and then use arma, what will be the effect?

    When was the right moment to use this OP skills? at first attack ? once the charm tick? or at 55%-60%(you can assume % on his HP bar) of opponent hp? Prove why it is the right timing.

    If you spark and use arma it'll do the same damage as unsparked. Physical attack has no influence at all on arma. Arma uses both your current HP and MP to deal damage + a fixed physical damage. No % multiplier or base multiplier.

    Attack levels do affect your arma damage, though.

    The best time to use arma is when you have your full hp and mp bars and don't mind losing half of them (it'll tick your charms or just make you vulnerable if you don't have a charm). Target's hp depends on how powerful they are (their def lvls and p.def. being the most important factors). Lots of people can't survive arma even with their full hp, but some would require you to drop their HP closer to 50% before killing them.

    You can chain it to the genie skill Tree of Protection so your max HP goes even higher, dealing extra damage.
  • DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver
    DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The only thing that affects arma is your HP and your att lvl/enemy def lvl/enemy pdef etc.

    Triple spark increases phys att which doesnt impact arma. Wearing a GoF weapon gives you a chance to zerk, and obviously you have the chance to crit and therefore zerk crit.

    Using Tree of Protection right before casting arma increases your HP so increases the damage arma does.

    When to use it depends on alot of things. Not just the opponents current HP. I could write an essay but I wont.

    Edit: Fist beat me to it
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  • Sakubatou - Sanctuary
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary Posts: 4,001 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    bangis2010 wrote: »
    What if i triple spark and then use arma, what will be the effect?

    Arma consumes hp, mp, and chi and deals the amount consumed out as physical damage. It has nothing to do with weapon damage, which is what triple sparking would increase. In fact, since you just triple sparked you'd have less chi to put towards your arma so it'd be weaker.

    I assume you're asking about the right time to use it in pk. Its best used when your hp is pretty full and you have a charm that hasn't ticked (arma will usually cause a charm tick so your charm will be in cd, an opportunity for your opponent to kill you). It's best to setup your arma by immobilizing your opponent, phys debuffing them, and if demon crit buffing yourself with Bestial Onslaught. Typically your setup with skills will lower the opponents hp towards 50-60% so your arma can charm bipass.

    I'll link you a vid of a barb on our server who had a very predictable but effective Arma combo. Watch around 1:30 and you'll see a good example of setup with alacrity->devour->bestial (crit)->arma after he got his opponent to 60%. He has 72 vids... they're pretty much all that. Unfortunately barb Armas are somewhat readable and many classes (archer, wiz, bm) can just leap out of the way and burn your two sparks. I know towards the end of his career he added channeling orbs to get the arma off before people could dodge.

    Btw, armas aren't really that effective against other HA imo.
    Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory
  • FistToDeath - Dreamweaver
    FistToDeath - Dreamweaver Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Btw, armas aren't really that effective against other HA imo.

    That is very true. Unless a nice demon veno ironwooded them and it proc'ed. Even then their HP might be enough to survive it.
  • Redmenace - Heavens Tear
    Redmenace - Heavens Tear Posts: 908 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    All of the above is correct - it's only HP and MP that powers arma.

    I once killed a 100 wizzy playing around with the lvl 1 club that barbs get as a starting weapon.

    Beastial Rage > Arma
    A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.
    Robert A. Heinlein
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    The only good 3spark eruption would do to you before using arma is the healing effect...
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    ...i guarantee you, YOUR CHILDREN WILL NOT SEE THE DAY OF YOUR WHITE HAIRS...GOODBYE BLUE SKY (and PW too)


    >RETIRED<
  • Beleni - Dreamweaver
    Beleni - Dreamweaver Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Armageddon is a Phy attack based on your Current HP and MP values.

    Physical attack power will have no affect on Armageddon.

    To get the most Raw damage out of Armageddon you need to be at Max HP/MP before you cast it.

    stats or skills that will increase your arma damage.

    Beast king in spiration
    Tree of protection ( High str based )
    Tiger form ( Use ToP in tiger form )
    Attack levels
    Slaying levels ( if PVM).
    Invigorate ( if PVM)
    Base wolf emblem
    Base Blessing
    SOT/ BRIM/ AEU (Moari buff pill)
    Nation war Pots

    Buffs or stats that do not increase your Armageddon attack power
    Spark ( any of them)
    Strengh of the titans
    5% hp bonus on Necklace
    5% hp bonus on Chest

    As for when to use your Armageddon to kill in pvp.
    Pre cook the target 1st - Either by a charm tick or get them to around 60% hp
    Debuff by devour/ tangle mire
    and get your Critical rate up with either Sunder or Bestial onslaught ( Demon only)

    Rule of thumb - you can 1 shot any AA
    or one Shot any LA providing you pre cook the target.
    as for HA targets, only Armageddon if target is Purged and Amped
  • Jaabg - Sanctuary
    Jaabg - Sanctuary Posts: 2,256 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    BM might be a special case to surviving arma. If i am in magic marrow, no bell proc. Someone like a tw cata barb does arma, i get hit for 20~50k usually in my r8r gear. That usually means death.

    If i am in my aps gear, phy marrow+demon bell proc, i might survive the arma, but due to my hp being around 8k~11k, i mostly die to arma.

    If i put on my super power suit, arma is a annoynace these days. It won't kill me, but does take out 30%~80% of my hp, setting me up to get one shot by a caster class. Not sure after the new expansion that comes out though, seeing how numbers will be going up, i might get one shot by the arma.
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    What if I told you that weapon refines indirectly affect Arma's damage.

    Go figure. They do.

    /inb4massrage


    PS.
    Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Buffs or stats that do not increase your Armageddon attack power
    5% hp bonus on Necklace

    I'd disagree. Just tested.
  • Doom_Panda - Harshlands
    Doom_Panda - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »
    What if I told you that weapon refines indirectly affect Arma's damage.

    Go figure. They do.

    /inb4massrage

    Which weapons did you use to test with? And also necro...
    Mains:
    Doom_Panda- 102/101/102 R9 3rd cast Demon Barb 40k HP.
    Dawnx - 100/85 Demon Cleric.
    PsychicTuna- 101/100 Sage Psychic.
    DawnMyst- 96 Demon Mystic.

    PANDAS FTW. AND I b:heart ARMA! b:avoid
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Weapon doesn't matter. I don't mean weapon procs, just refines.

    Regarding necro - this thread is still on the 1st page. Only shows how alive the forum is.
  • Doom_Panda - Harshlands
    Doom_Panda - Harshlands Posts: 356 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »
    Weapon doesn't matter. I don't mean weapon procs, just refines.

    Regarding necro - this thread is still on the 1st page. Only shows how alive the forum is.

    Weapon refines do not figure in for the damage on arma... Attack Levels do, so if you used a random weapon that didn't have attack levels and was unrefined compared to one that has refines and attack levels i can see how you came up with that...
    Mains:
    Doom_Panda- 102/101/102 R9 3rd cast Demon Barb 40k HP.
    Dawnx - 100/85 Demon Cleric.
    PsychicTuna- 101/100 Sage Psychic.
    DawnMyst- 96 Demon Mystic.

    PANDAS FTW. AND I b:heart ARMA! b:avoid
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    1. Indirectly.
    2. As I was saying - same weapon. Let's say +2 and +12 Undisputed Dominator.
  • FistToDeath - Dreamweaver
    FistToDeath - Dreamweaver Posts: 482 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »
    1. Indirectly.
    2. As I was saying - same weapon. Let's say +2 and +12 Undisputed Dominator.

    Neither directly or indirectly. Coeteris paribus, the damage is the same for both weapons for arma. Unless by indirectly you mean that a barb with a +12 weapon will have a highly refined armor, which is not necessarily true nor is it an indirect effect of the weapon on arma.

    Devour and any other debuff applied won't depend on the barb's p. attack, so the debuffs remain the same.
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    I'm loving this xD

    No, I mean weapon refines and I leave it to you to figure out how :P
  • Atropah - Sanctuary
    Atropah - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »
    What if I told you that weapon refines indirectly affect Arma's damage.

    They don't. Weapon adds can affect Arma (like GoF, +vit, +mp, +attack levels, etc.) but physical attack doesn't play a roll in arma damage. I'm sure you're trying to work some semantic angle but you're just wrong and obviously can't provide proof.
  • domcio88
    domcio88 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    They don't. Weapon adds can affect Arma (like GoF, +vit, +mp, +attack levels, etc.) but physical attack doesn't play a roll in arma damage. I'm sure you're trying to work some semantic angle but you're just wrong and obviously can't provide proof.

    This is why it is widely known that barbs are idiots if you cant even figure out something that obvious.
  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »

    /inb4massrage

    Am I a psychic or whut?

    Rage on, keyboard warriors, for you are still mistaken.
    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I'm sure you're trying to work some semantic angle.

    Game mechanics not semantics.

    Again: Weapon damage does influence the damage a barb deals with Arma. Keep thinking.
  • Atropah - Sanctuary
    Atropah - Sanctuary Posts: 186 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    you're just wrong and obviously can't provide proof.

    Oh be still my fiery rage /sarcasm.
  • Man - Raging Tide
    Man - Raging Tide Posts: 1,410 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    lythraos wrote: »
    Again: Weapon damage does influence the damage a barb deals with Arma. Keep thinking.

    I will take the bait.

    I don't know how weapon damage influences it, is poison fang added to Armageddon attack?

    I guess it increases your Soulforce which makes more impervious to a lot of skills and CC allowing you to use armagedon, this may be a indirect increase to armageddon efficiency (casting instead of not being able too!)
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver
    DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    is poison fang added to Armageddon attack?

    I missed this thread, not sure why it took this long to figure out. :o
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  • lythraos
    lythraos Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2014
    Man - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I will take the bait.

    I don't know how weapon damage influences it, is poison fang added to Armageddon attack?

    And again you prove yourself as a barb, Man.

    This man deserves a cookie for figuring it out.

    Yes, Poison Fang does apply to Armageddon's damage hence refines of the weapon indirectly increase the damage.

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