A few Questions about mystics

AA is squishy against physical damage . HA is squishy against magical damage and with m.atk that sucks. Also considering the fact that we have a pdef buff, I don't see how that's a good idea, but your choice. But consider if you're too squishy you can also put points in vit instead of changing your build completely.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

1. What's the best magic weapon for a HA mystic who plans to kill things on her own and have salvation as her support pet? Is the magic sword in the pwcalc an ideal wep?

Best weap would be a g16 w/e, like the one in your calc. Obviously str/mag adds are a big + since you'll need them. Also I'd recommend getting a str tome to ease up on how many points you have to waste.

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

2. Falling petals...is it a pure heal or does it also give a bonus to magic attack for 1 minute? And demon extends the effect for up to 4 minutes?(Description confuses me)

Doesn't give any bonuses, don't know where that comes from. Demon version adds 4 minutes to its 1 minute duration to a total of 5 minutes (but will still finish in 9 seconds if you get hit).

Chigenkaiona - Dreamweaver wrote: »

3. Will my pets adapt a high attack/Pdef because of mystics's HA attributes?

Pets will have a higher pdef, however will have a lower attack since, if I remember correctly both their physical and magical attack depend on your magical attack.

AA is really the most powerful Mystic. AA is not just heals, its your DD too.
Yes, you are vulnerable, but if played right in PvE, dont really pull a lot of aggro (at higher levels).

Channeling is nice, but not in any way a priority. Its the cherry on the cake of your gears.

Magic is the priority, with enough strength to use your gears.

HA is the least powerful Mystic, because of the Str it needs. It is a very specialized Mystic. It can be a dedicated heal to a cleric in a catasquad.

It can effectively PK. Please remember you will be PKing like a non-hungry cat kills a stray mouse - you will need to be rather skilled (and/or very familiar with all your skills) to keep your 'prey' busy, and since you will be laying in your Magic Def on your gears, you might want to avoid most Magic class opponents.

It can obviously tank better than an AA Mystic could in most PvE, but much like a HP barb, its not generally a bad *** healer or DD in the process, and could experience difficulty holding aggro as it has no skills specific to doing so other than its magic power in general, which the HA Mystic doesnt have a lot of.

LA Mystic I dont know much about, but logically its a middle ground Mystic. Middle ground defences, and middle ground power (magic). It is probably better suited for playing full support in TW (heal AND DD, and may be a better option since the advent of overpowered towers in TW, lol). In PvE, you are defensively slightly stronger than an AA against PDEF, and slightly weaker in Magic.

On any Mystic, you have to enhance something - be it Magic Defence, or Physical Defence. I can tell you right now, Physical is generally cheaper, if thats of any concern to you. b:chuckle

Sorry for the book, but as Alexis has been saying Channeling, and which Defence you end up needing to enhance are not important.

We get much better arguements over whether to go Sage/Demon, although that doesnt always matter either.

I like your creativity with the class. Its not that nothing you have said is not doable. They are doable. Its just that not that many people fully learn the Mystic, and even less venture far from the most powerful build - Arcane. You wouldnt be a pioneer, but you would be among the rare few.

Good luck with whatever you make. b:victory

Arcane mystics with the same weapon should have ~15k atk without reincarnating and it grows even more after reinc twice. That's a lot to give up on. If it's fc you're worried about I was able to solo it in my r8+7 days and g16>>>r8.

I stand corrected on the pets damage. It will be exactly the same regardless of build.

The 3 vit thingie still works and it even stays the same after reincarnating.

I haven't included r9 because, firstly he doesn't seem to have the budget for it yet and secondly if you have that kind of money r9 AA tops any HA build you can think of for the same price.

Your ss also includes stuff like war avatar cards, meridian, etc. A pwcalc would be best for comparison.

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not. If anything it makes HA and LA build more viable seeing as they can have your normal damage and have more HP, pdef, and mdef. Yes, HA build can obtain more mdef than AA build.

The OP has posted builds, but none that involve R9 or better gears. I cannot help but think what you say is not quite the case for gears lesser than R9, but I would certainly be interested in seeing a Tricked-out HA build with no monetary limits.

Another interesting aspect to this discussion would be is your Physical Attack noteworthy at all?

The reason I ask about the Physical Attack was when the Mystic first appeared there was writing in the discription of the class that would make a newbie believe (and many did) the Mystic was capable of such as part of its "Jack-of-all-trades" role in the game. There were also actual threads laughing at the fact that at least for the Arcane Mystic the Physical Attack capabilities were a joke. One would think Physical Attack would improve with going HA and LA.

The forum has never had much information posted on HA and LA Mystics, and my opinions are based on what I know of the class in general, and what little I have read posted by LA and HA Mystics over the years.


@OP -

Im an AA 101, plain R8, mostly +4, and I have been able to solo and duo FC since I was in my early to mid 90's with even lesser gears. You really dont worry about much, except timing out, if that kind of thing is important to you.

The AA is going to do it the fastest, because it has the most Magic Attack = highest DD (and heals).

We havent had a discussion this interesting in the forum in ages. Thanks OP for making the thread. b:thanks

DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »

It's not. If anything it makes HA and LA build more viable seeing as they can have your normal damage and have more HP, pdef, and mdef. Yes, HA build can obtain more mdef than AA build.

Let's be honest here, mystic doesn't have the highest damage from the casters, so if a mystic chose to go HA (LA build is ridiculous since it's the weakest build ever) it should be only if the mystic is doing purely PVP/TW as support.

In PVP/TW a HA mystic will survive maybe better, but won't be able to kill anything.

And for PVE a skilled mystic can solo everything with a pure magic AA build, so there's no point to go HA for PVE.

I'm pure magic, not done reawaken and I have 766 magic points, I will reach 800 magic points, that said, an HA need to stop at G16 Nirvy gears, while AA can go R9rr.

@Kijinka: By the stats on your SS you must be full +12, I would like to see that in pwicalc.

@OP: 10k-12k m.attack is crazy low, it will take you twice more time to solo a FC if not tree times more than if you was AA pure magic, without counting that your heals will be really low too.

Your pwcalc is also wrong since it show -70 points, that mean you did allowed more points than what you have, so assuming you did put the minimum of str/dex to wear the gears that mean there's 70 over in magic, here's with the correct points: http://pwcalc.com/badc3751fb18f47e, that doesn't even reach 300 magic points which is 9-10k m.attack.

I'm pure magic and solo full FC in 30 minutes, mobs hit me for 100-200 damage, so if you think HA will make it easier to solo FC than AA you are wrong, it will probably take you an hour if not more. After sins, mystic is the class that solo FC easier and faster. (I even do faster than some sins)

As AA I can pull all mobs (hallway/exp room) and one shot them before they even touch me, while you will be able to pull them all too, but it will take you way longer to kill them, same for boss, a boss that take me a minute to kill will take you 5 minutes.

FC is an old instance, mobs/boss do baby damage, an HA build is totally not needed to survive. specially that mystics can heal themselves they don't need to be HA to survive and solo stuff.

Mystics are not that squishy, we have the second best defenses from all caster class and the best survivability. I don't know what caster class you did play before, but if you did play something like wizz/psy/veno than yes I do understand why you say you don't like casters AA pure magic, but mystics are different, they can heal themselves really fast and the heals are really powerful if pure magic AA, you have plants/summons to give you more defenses/heals.

You seems to speak like you will purely play PVE with that char, in PVE HA will make it harder and even longer to solo stuff. If that was for PVP/TW I'd say go ahead try it.

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

In PVP/TW a HA mystic will survive maybe better, but won't be able to kill anything.

@Kijinka: By the stats on your SS you must be full +12, I would like to see that in pwicalc.
it.

I'm not full +12. I still need to get moons embrace, warsong belt, cape, legs, boots and wrists to +12.

And I can kill people. Maybe not the people with full JOSD+12 etc but I can still compete with a lot of others.

Kijinka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not full +12. I still need to get moons embrace, warsong belt, cape, legs, boots and wrists to +12.

And I can kill people. Maybe not the people with full JOSD+12 etc but I can still compete with a lot of others.

Still, I'm curious to see your pwcalc.

I was really amazed by MissCherie's post. This is exactly my thoughts...

Mystics are really underestimated and unknown.... I always say that Mystics might be the best class to solo FC and people laugh (just because they never played a mystic, and then they ask for someone to help them to glitch second boss b:chuckle)

And mystics are probably the less squishy class amongst arcane ones, and they can heal themselves (just that part is enough to tell anyone to go pure mag...). What's the point in gaining more phy def if you reduce your healing potential ? And a sage mystic can easily have more phy def than elemental one (not talking about wood and water though)

In addition to that, while talking about PVE and autobuff (+ buff pots), the mystic might have the best damage amongst all arcane classes, due to invigorate.

Kijinka - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not full +12. I still need to get moons embrace, warsong belt, cape, legs, boots and wrists to +12.

And I can kill people. Maybe not the people with full JOSD+12 etc but I can still compete with a lot of others.

Just saying but a R8 mystic can oneshot TT70 players. That being said, obviously you can kill people, but you will never have the damage of an AA mystic.
And personnaly I would prefer having more mag attack than I have, rather than more survivability (and I already have more than 45k mag attack with cleric buff)


But everyone can try what they want and enjoy the game as they want...