Bots at dailies

HanyIstok - Morai
HanyIstok - Morai Posts: 24 Arc User
edited January 2014 in General Discussion
Hi
My boots are filled with the botters where the dailies are. Cannot do faction base quests 90 or 100+, because there are a couple of fool botting there nonstop with their op geared characters.
A few days ago killing 15 mobs takes 30 min for 2 of us, but a single mob is just 2-3-4 hit! But i cant get a mob, when 3 bots raiding in the area! PWI, thanks for doing this! Isn't anything against this (do not tell me, that drop a few coins on ground, thats not a solution)?
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  • MissCherie - Harshlands
    MissCherie - Harshlands Posts: 468 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    kill them!

    KILLLLL THEMMM ALLLL!!!

    Oh wait! You are on a carebear server, enjoy. b:pleased

    Seriously, there's way more than 1 spot where you can find the mobs for quests.
  • Geckofreak - Sanctuary
    Geckofreak - Sanctuary Posts: 2,280 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I ran into that issue too today finally deciding to do morai quests on my sin so I can enter EU. 2 +12 r999 archers were situated in a tightly closed valley which is the only place to find these mobs, covering between the two of them the whole valley. (probably planned out that way do to being good friends in the same faction). My +1 r8 daggers and +10 g16 bow were almost always out damaged by the one shot from these +12 r999 bows, making it take over 30 minutes to kill 20 mobs. I did however get an exceptional ammount of extra dq from them, allowing me to finally redye my wedding dress, so its all good b:chuckleb:victory
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »
    kill them!

    KILLLLL THEMMM ALLLL!!!

    Oh wait! You are on a carebear server, enjoy. b:pleased

    Seriously, there's way more than 1 spot where you can find the mobs for quests.

    Not really, some morai mobs are only in 1 area (cacti for instance) and that area has like 10 people botting, so GL, other is the Primal World, there is only 1 area where 6 mobs spawn for defending green, the old world map has more mob locations but as newer expansions came along, the devs probably decided to give us more mob diversity, thus no more copies in various locations only in somewhat rare occasions.
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  • Veneir - Dreamweaver
    Veneir - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,541 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    This game really needs channels so this isn't a problem for people...... or bot bombs that freeze characters (if they're in combat mode) for 30 minutes if they don't complete a little task that appears on their screen when it's used on them..... or just..... pwi is so dumb with bots and crowded areas since solutions that already exist elsewhere would be so easy I swear OTL

    Non-PVP server so you can't just fix it that way (unless they're white named) but you could expel them, I guess. Still annoying though.
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  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    For the base quests, find an area relatively free from bots (I haven't had any problems with bots monopolizing base quest mobs so far.)

    For Morai... maybe choose a different set of Divine dailies? Personally I haven't had any problems finishing Morai dailies, but maybe my preference is just for mobs that aren't popular with the bots.
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  • Metalpuritan - Sanctuary
    Metalpuritan - Sanctuary Posts: 149 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I run into this very same situation on my characters.

    I do not have any problem with it at all. So this begs the question, what is wrong with YOU?
  • MissCherie - Harshlands
    MissCherie - Harshlands Posts: 468 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Not really, some morai mobs are only in 1 area (cacti for instance) and that area has like 10 people botting, so GL, other is the Primal World, there is only 1 area where 6 mobs spawn for defending green, the old world map has more mob locations but as newer expansions came along, the devs probably decided to give us more mob diversity, thus no more copies in various locations only in somewhat rare occasions.

    I guess it's one of the bad side of playing on PVE servers. PWCN doesn't have PVE servers, I doubt they ever check that issue since they probably don't have it on their servers.
  • Neferhotep - Lost City
    Neferhotep - Lost City Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    1)Lure a WB down if its possible and let them attack
    2) Try to be faster or to KS, thats usually not that hard if the bot is a melee (i was able to get aggro from a mob attacked by a 101 r9 + 12 bm with my myst r8+7 and got the kills. Depending on your class, its easy)
    3) Try to get a wiz friend from faction that annoys the bot with his reversion skills, if well done he can even kill the bot, again depending on the class
    4) Put on some bots yourself with faster movement speed than theirs (for example a vit barb without using aggro skills) and a bad attack. Youll have a high chance to pick up every dq item they couldnt and the owner might put his bot elsewhere next day.


    I dont get it either. This feature is very stupid, mainly because PW failed to make it usefull for all.

    It would be much better if they made a similar instance like PV for everyone to set his bot up there, nobody could KS anymore and it would be limited. DQ Items and mats should be dropped as youd be fighting normal mobs your lvl range and even lowbie DQs should have normal prices again. This is what i call useful.

    Now, its pretty much impossible to do certain quests. Heaven and hell as well as the open world are filled with botters and inside Morai, people bot on regular quest mobs because the other mobs are always together with air mobs, what can stop the bot. On my Lumi sin, i usually do the farming quests and kill the timed mobs on areas where nobody wanna bot because of bosses. Als, im doing them in the early morning so i can get them done, although it is difficult sometimes. Especially with the same bots over and over killing mobs that are already rare (talking about a r9 cleric who always kills those fat rats where felsutra pages or whatever theyre called are located) and active people KSing from each other because they cant compare to ranged r9 bots anyway.

    I even began to hate third party botters lless , since they hardly KS. Now the ingame botters are way more annyoing. Thats why i dont mind killing them or picking up their DQs, cause this is pretty much all you can do when you need mobs that are surroundded by bots.
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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Make more story modes.
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  • HanyIstok - Morai
    HanyIstok - Morai Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Most of you guys suggest, that go, find an other place. Why me? i am the PLAYER, the other one is the BOT. May i let the bot use the comfortable zone, and me, the real people find another bloody place inside the thorny bushes? NO! If YOU want to bot, find YOU the place where no peoples are to come and **** your bot!
  • Chelestine - Heavens Tear
    Chelestine - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I encounter this almost daily on my PvE server too while doing Morai dailies. Usually it's avoidable by choosing such quests where you pick up items, like Danta's Keys and Felustra Pages in Lumi, or Teal Banners and Jade Marrows in Corona, but it's the time limited quest that always forces you into an area where some stupid person's placed their bot to roam and kill all the mobs you need. Most of the time if it's just a sin I can get to the mobs with my venos long range skills faster than the bot can and get the kill, but if the bots are archers it's a bigger challenge... Very frustrating when there's so much you need to do and don't want to waste time fighting with a bot!
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  • Beleni - Dreamweaver
    Beleni - Dreamweaver Posts: 383 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    if you cant pull them away with coins.

    try to use Expel, so they are unable to attack for 9 seconds, this gives you plenty of time to kill a mob
  • neozoldi
    neozoldi Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Wrong account...
  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Actually I don't understand people who choose those spots and this is even more true when there are ten of them. I don't get how this can be efficient for them...
    But I don't complain because this means less people at my botting spot (which is not in a questing area). I don't have any issues to kill my quest mobs and anyway I prefer seeing people annoying me a little where I need to kill only 10-20 rather than where I try to bot several hours a day.
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  • Sylki - Harshlands
    Sylki - Harshlands Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    after hearing about this issue...I'm glad i'm on a pvp server lol. ppl have to find spots ppl don't go to in order to bot on a pvp server. Gosh it must suck on pve servers b:chuckle All I can say is...try to find a place the bots aren't at to do ur dailies..otherwise...u're just screwed and u have to deal w/ the bots.
  • SneakyZoe - Morai
    SneakyZoe - Morai Posts: 43 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Totally agree Zoldi.

    These two sins on base quest mobs are always stucked as I did my base quest last days.
    So I dont believe they have a big benefit about all and may be even not know that these mobs are needed for the base quest.
  • trands
    trands Posts: 2
    edited January 2014
    Sylki - Harshlands wrote: »
    after hearing about this issue...I'm glad i'm on a pvp server lol. ppl have to find spots ppl don't go to in order to bot on a pvp server. Gosh it must suck on pve servers b:chuckle All I can say is...try to find a place the bots aren't at to do ur dailies..otherwise...u're just screwed and u have to deal w/ the bots.

    It's just a lot of exageration. Most of what said isn't even realistic.
    1) The timed morai quests mobs are, at least partly, in area's where bots won't come. To high chance to aggro those mini-boss like bosses, terrain, ...
    2) The number of bots as described will simply have them all tp.
    3) The player really needs extremely bad gear to not be able to get any kills.
    4) Drop a coin or arrow, and all bots will try to pick it up while you can kill a few. Expel. Lure all mobs away and have bots tp. So many things that can be done.
    5) It's the bot-haters that force so many to use it in morai. There is no hard boss that can be used to kill bots.

    The ones complaining have an issue with bots in general. The quest thing is just made up as a sort of argument.

    I use bot to have quests done a lot, while I do dishes or something. For putting it during work or over night, I try to find a spot where it doesn't hinder players. However, 99% of the mobs are needed for at least 1 quest. I just take into account where it really hinders others on daily basis.
  • LadyOya - Raging Tide
    LadyOya - Raging Tide Posts: 88 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    I am on a pve server but do not have problems with them when they are in my questing areas.

    Sometimes I giggle a little when they try and pick up my drops and freeze for a moment or keep moving to my drops and are unable to pick up.

    If I know them I will mail them and tell them what happened and to stay away from my drops (this last one only for people I know will see the mail as a joke and laugh) b:laugh
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  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    WTF is happening with bots, 3rd time in 45 min. it town teled for no apparent reason...
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  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Zoldi - Morai wrote: »
    Actually I don't understand people who choose those spots and this is even more true when there are ten of them. I don't get how this can be efficient for them...
    But I don't complain because this means less people at my botting spot (which is not in a questing area). I don't have any issues to kill my quest mobs and anyway I prefer seeing people annoying me a little where I need to kill only 10-20 rather than where I try to bot several hours a day.

    True >.> I have found a nice neat spot for my bot which is empty almost all the time. I think people are either ignorant or too lazy to search for good botting spots and just throw them at whatever quest mobs they know which isn't even that effective when you have several people trying to do their quests and consequently killing "your" mobs or getting your bot distracted with drops.
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  • Sylki - Harshlands
    Sylki - Harshlands Posts: 184 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    ppl that rly want to bot effectively would check out the drop rates from mobs and what u get from those mobs. not every mob has a super good drop rate so even if u kill say 100 of 1 mob type..if the drop rate is low..u might only get like 5 dq out of those 100. Some mobs I bot simply b/c of the dq drop rate as well as they have a chance to drop shards...might not seem like much..but if u get enough shards..u can have gems or better in no time..and for free lol.
  • TuffPuppy - Morai
    TuffPuppy - Morai Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    They should just disable botting in Morai and Primal Wolrd.

    Dont know for sure, but if a Mystic puts Resurrect on a bot, the bot will stop.
  • Zoldi - Morai
    Zoldi - Morai Posts: 1,595 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    TuffPuppy - Morai wrote: »
    They should just disable botting in Morai and Primal Wolrd.

    Dont know for sure, but if a Mystic puts Resurrect on a bot, the bot will stop.

    Best solution to increase the number of bots in base quests area.
    I didn't understand the Mystics' ressurect part by the way
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  • eraldus
    eraldus Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    People bot on Morai because the mobs in there respawns twice as fast, so they don't need to set their botting range too far or get ksed. However, I don't really see any kind of profit in there, since the mobs on Morai drops half the coins the normal mobs would drop, plus their drop rate seems to be nerfed too (at least to me).
  • Poopinpanto - Heavens Tear
    Poopinpanto - Heavens Tear Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Why do people stress on the freakin bots>!!!!!???????

    All you have to do is kill a few mobs and leave the freakin drops and they wil lcome to it and so while they are busy standing at your pile of junk,happy killing.


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  • Mosz - Heavens Tear
    Mosz - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,181 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Poopinpanto - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Why do people stress on the freakin bots>!!!!!???????

    All you have to do is kill a few mobs and leave the freakin drops and they wil lcome to it and so while they are busy standing at your pile of junk,happy killing.


    ^^ guide created by the ****,the best guide in the game and the shortest.

    you should very well know not all bot for drops, but some for XP, i.e some bots dont pick drops just 1 shot everything around
  • Evryn - Morai
    Evryn - Morai Posts: 1,437 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    Simpler solution: Spread out the mobs, and add in a couple of HEAVY ranged damage dealing NPCs that only retaliate, but don't auto aggro themselves. The main issue is the unavailaibility of some NPCs since everyone's trying to bot them.

    @Above: Autoculti bots set to pick up items will come running... you can stun those easily by dropping some 1GP stacks all over the place - they'll run from A to B until the stacks time out. Giving you ample time to kill a few mobs, then rinse and repeat. Worse (or more fun) yet is dropping some coinstacks in the air. Spread those out a bit so the bots forget they've tried them. That'll stun them considerably longer.
    That trick will not work with bots not set to pick up items. It will also not work with bots not running autoculti (I still spot those from time to time) since they note which cashpiles belong to their own kills somehow.
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  • HanyIstok - Morai
    HanyIstok - Morai Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    dropping coins means you buy your spot from a bot. Think about this! And unfortunately, the user can't buy brain for my coins... I am too proud to just let some fool to collect tax from me. Using dispel is a kind of tax too. Finding new spot is another kind of tax. Or i can just fight with the bot. The user check it, hmm... just 100k coin? Maybe tomorrow... And nothing happens.
    Check Zoldi's comment, and try to imagine how an effective bot looks like! And peace will arrive again.
  • thelordoflol
    thelordoflol Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    TuffPuppy - Morai wrote: »
    They should just disable botting in Morai and Primal Wolrd.

    Dont know for sure, but if a Mystic puts Resurrect on a bot, the bot will stop.

    You should also give them bramble and cleric buffs too. Those also stop the bots from working. b:victory
  • Verenor - Morai
    Verenor - Morai Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited January 2014
    HanyIstok - Morai wrote: »
    dropping coins means you buy your spot from a bot. Think about this! And unfortunately, the user can't buy brain for my coins... I am too proud to just let some fool to collect tax from me. Using dispel is a kind of tax too. Finding new spot is another kind of tax. Or i can just fight with the bot. The user check it, hmm... just 100k coin? Maybe tomorrow... And nothing happens.
    Check Zoldi's comment, and try to imagine how an effective bot looks like! And peace will arrive again.

    Yeah, losing 20-30 coins while completing a quest with 50k+ coins really is a tax >.> nothing is in the end a tax.

    I'm more curious about how to improve bots for dailies, f.e. the new BB from clerics have the range as a circle on the ground, perhaps with bots have a more invisible but still visible radius of their range, so people can/know where to farm for their own. Or a distance meter showing you howmany meters an object is away. Knowing to howfar the bot goes makes you able to find out which mobs you can safely kill without risking non-stop KS.

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