So... why are you still here?

1. Game still has enough content for me to spend a few weeks in each time I return to pwi.

2. Pwe and wanmei. Pwe can't do anything while wanmei won't do anything.

3. Positive side, actually.

I stay to keep up with the community and to enjoy what I can.
I've tried other mmos, but I no longer have the time to start new mmos. So I stick with pwi.
It's old, antiquated, yet it's familiar for me to get back into and for me to fix things on my own when needed.

>Name one or more reasons why this game is great.

-Easy to get into (not hard to learn the 10 classes abilities, to level, or how to manage the instances)

-Fairly diverse classes and skills

-Mildly fascinating Lore for those willing to actually sit and read

-More than one way to acquire gear and progress

-Forum community can be interesting at times


>Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).


-Lack of communication/support from the higher ups

-Updates tend to break more things than they fix

-Pay2Win is the easiest means of progressing while farmers keep getting shafted

-Repetitive content

-Game community can be ignorant/lazy at times (seriously, many of the things asked there can be found here, already answered)

Which side wins out in your opinion?

Neutral.

>Why are you still here

I want to see how this world ends.

1. Name one or more reasons why this game is great.
~ The game mechanic and how damage is calculated is fascinating and has a lot of variables, despite some of them being broken ( it's not easy to satisfy everyone, though )
~ Even an endgame character can die, so you have to make friends or allies and behave.
~ Customization.
~ The world map is a one huge map and doesn't need loading unless you're going to instances.
~ You can fly, you can jump, you can double jump, you can walk, you can run, you can ride pet, you can sprint.

2. Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).
~ You have to invest a lot of money or time to win, I guess every mmo is like that, but once you spent a lot of them, by the time you want to quit you're already in too deep by either spending too much money or too much time that you feel it would be a waste to quit.
~ Repetitive content, too much dailies that sometimes it feels more like a chore than fun.
~ Game Engine is ancient, if it has crappy fps when in overcrowded area, no matter how new or powerful your gaming pc is, it'll still crappy.
~ Existing contents change with every new update, things that're usually there might not be there anymore in later update, or might be changed as the dev feels like it.
~ In a pvp server, even though there are a lot of factions, they tend to be divided in 2 sides by following the war of two biggest factions in the game, or neutral. If one side is too dominant the game will be quite dull, the pvp is dead because the not so dominant side will always be outnumbered in random wars and it can happen in months, or even years. They camp in questing area and events area (for those who played MY server back in the day would understand the situation). It lacks pvp content where the war is between people with equal gears and numbers so people have to be creative and make one with their own rules.

3. Which side wins out in your opinion?
~ It's an apple and an orange in the same size and weight.

4. Why are you still here?
~ to be honest I'm playing actively in other region, I have a toon in here, but due to high ping like 500-800ms lag I stopped playing.
~ still playing the game because this game is still supported by the dev and will still have new updates, also for the reasons above.

Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1. Name one or more reasons why this game is great.
2. Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).
3. Which side wins out in your opinion?
4. I'm assuming the majority of people reading this still play the game and you're certainly reading the forums. If the negative
side won for you, why are you still here?

1. Well, everything in the cash shop can be bought with in-game gold. Also, the character customization is pretty incredible.
2. All forms of PvP are dominated by cash shoppers because the amount of time that goes into getting the top gear otherwise is kinda ridiculous. Also, the power creep is kinda sad. And the selling top gear for cash thing.
3. Well, the one thing I liked about PWI was merchanting. And that hasn't changed at all, so it's still good. PWI is an ok game, but it's not great by any means. However, if I was into PvP, I would have stopped playing somewhere around the first rep sale.
4. I am still here because of the merchanting aspect. I spent a long time climbing from nothing to wealth as an f2p merchant, I'm not about to just drop that.

Where's the option for this game is decent and I still kinda like it? It's not great but I like more than I dislike still.

Anywho on to the questions!

1. Name one or more reasons why this game is great.

This is one game in which the level of customization is incredible. You really feel like you can own your characters so to speak, and with the wealth of customization options available you can even tell who people are just by their face. Other games force you into a certain aesthetic that is often dull and drab in an attempt to make it seem more "realistic" and that's boring too me. This game doesn't cross the line into too cartoon-y though like some of the games out there either. It's a nice vivid middle ground.

People rag on this community but I still like it more than other games I have played. You can really feel connected to it and you get more of a sense of it. In other games I played almost no one talked to you. It was also robotic and automated and the people were hard to befriend. This community may not be as self sufficient and a bit more self involved than in the past (for example, all the whining about lacks of guides instead of actually taking the time to write one and figure it out yourself. Props to the people who still have the patience for this.) but it's still a lot better than other communities I have come across.

I actually can find something I really like with the different expansions. Maybe because i'm more casual so I don't care even one iota about being at the top.

2. Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).

The people who go out of there way to be nasty to others and ruin player attempts at injecting more fun things into the game even. Although I love parts of the community, I also strongly dislike aspects of it too. Particularly the people who make PVP so toxic that it kills all incentive for me to join up. And the rampant glitch and abuse explotation.

PWE's lack of a backbone when it comes to sticking to their guns when it comes to enforcing their TOS for in-game violations. Go look at the BBB complaints to see examples. Or the recent orb things.

The lack of new players and totally ignoring this instead making the game more and more top heavy.


Just think of anything that matters to you. The community, the management, the game's setting, the fashion, the cash shop, because you have a great faction, because you're rich, nostalgia...

3. Which side wins out in your opinion?

I'm still more positive than negative, although I think this game has squandered a lot of it's potential and longevity. It's also true that is still just plain fun. ^_^ I don't worry too much what others are doing in the game. I don't care if they have better gear than me.


4. I'm assuming the majority of people reading this still play the game and you're certainly reading the forums. If the negative
side won for you, why are you still here?

Haven't found a better bunch of online friends and faction mates. Or a community I'm more glad to be a part of, even if it is on a downslide is still way better than many of the alternatives in f2p games i have played.

1. Name one or more reasons why this game is great.
- Character design is still one of the top five in all the newer mmo's ive experienced.
- The aesthetics of the game design are not dull like some other F2P mmo's out there. It doesnt look like they put plastic and slapped 2 colors on it.
- Community. Maybe it is the structure of how TWs are done or how factions are made up, Or even BECAUSE of lack of GM help, but this game offers a level of socialization and community that sticks and stays with you on a different level than other games.
- Ok well this will come out as a surprise but despite the low number of pple that have to mod/GM/admin this game, their response is fairly good. There are times when some things that affect the community are not carried out, but most of the time i can guess why. It really reminds me of my workplace the state/government system where
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Mind you we never know what sort of information china demands it goes through to them first. It could be a very small thing that halts the pwi staff.
- Friends.


2. Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).
- The GMs or how you say the admins? do tend to have a lack of people power. I guess because its F2P there might be a max amount of hire-able staff since F2P income isnt exactly a steady thing.
- Butthurts that take it out in a pixel world, like yesterday i just literally watched (and did nothing) Psychopath pk my cleric farming with the new auto-culti system right after xmas. It was such a petty and pathetic move that it made me realize how fortunate i was to have a peace of mind to leave pple alone when i pass them pk mode on seeker.
- Lack of complete implimentation of some game features. But again i dont think pwi WANTS to keep things incomplete. Rather i look at the staffing in china. China isnt exactly known for its quality assurance and i CAN imagine pwi staff asking for codes and china not making an effort to dig back at it. PWE isnt a small company as it has 2 bases in the US with over 300 employees. All of these pple cant be that incompitant. The only reasonable guess is something is bottlenecking them.

3. Which side wins out in your opinion?
Neutral leaning to positive.
If only china PW would be more open about the expansions they have, we would be able to incorporate them into our own pwi. We may be separate from PW china but the fact still remains that we rely fully on them for most all game mechanics.

4. I'm assuming the majority of people reading this still play the game and you're certainly reading the forums. If the negative
side won for you, why are you still here?
Because i like to watch adults complain and ***** like little kids they are lol. But that i think applies more to the forums than ingame.
Seriously, a part of why pwi's ingame community is so strong is because there is a huge LACK of reliance on a GM. I think that is why the relationships and community ingame sometimes seem stronger than other games out there because we are forced to make a mini structure in the community system that in a way, resembles a living organism and its cells.

we are the cells making do with what the concious feeds us. Sometimes we have tumors like usasuke but PWE goes to the doctor and gets it removed.
PWE is the person that feeds itself.
PW China is the environment that limits what PWE eats and it can range from poor to rich.

edit*
by community i dont mean economy lol

Thanks for the thread, man.
Please people, if you read this wall, please take your time to read it, don't panic. b:laugh

1) Why do I love this game? It's linked to my reasons for joining:
-A variety of classes and races. The game setting, the original lore. Pets and all-class pets, mounts (even if I don't use the latter).

- Boutique items being permanent and tradeable (well, of course some are temporary like the smileys and the weapon fashions), it wasn't the case in the previous minor MMO I played and quit a while ago now. I know that the gold rate is insane right now, but well...

- You can double-jump, fly, swim and bungee jump from high cliffs (and this without penalty -unless you land on a mob-; I heard of a game you'd die from falling from big heights or drown, during its early phases. Hilarious). The fox and tiger forms. The fact that most classes have buffs and healing spells (finally a wizard class that is not just a glass cannon!!).

- The degree of customization. In other games (including others from PWE, like Jade Dynasty or Forsaken World which I played), you have limited options. I am also happy that partial .ini edit permission was added to it.

- Mobs aren't fully brainless. They may be predictable after a bit, but they aren't set on one kind of attack (melee/magic/ranged, again, something I had to deal with in the other MMO). I'm a bit tired about magic spammer ones though. *laughs*

- A cooler user interface each time (but a bit messy since it's hard to find functions now), including GPS coordinates, a vast world map with variety of regions.

- A variety of ways to make exp (is it a bit too easy now?) and money. People won't totally ruin the economy either (in my other game, even crappy pieces of equipment were totally overpriced)

2) What I feel ruins the game? (I just hope that the return of Archosaur Studios will solve a bit of that mess)
- Part of the community. You know, the holier-than-thou ones, the pervert ones (it's not a 18+ adult game with XXX content, damn!), the scammers, spammers, heavy QQers, the lame jester wannabes, etc.

Sheer intolerance towards non R9S3, not +12, not -interval people. Stupid, unnatural builds being preferred.

- The GMs who I feel don't ban miscreants well enough, even if the latter are proven responsible. It's that sort of lack of discipline that gives the evildoers a sense of immunity... and so the griefing resumes. Offensive names of characters and pets and no punishment?

- Lame marketing ways including "back by popular demand", "soon" and I feel the biggest downer of a teaser being the countdown and animation of a chimei with a clock on which time gets reversed. We literally were brainwashed upon packs and now it's a fully integrated part of the game.

- Unheard suggestions. I've read great ones in the forums, but they were about never taken into account. I'll not imply any of the controversial ones, though. Forced decisions again.

- Patches that tend to break features that were unrelated to the problems to fix (AH, Punica fruit, Lycaeum of cultivation, etc.) and "natural" bugs (rubberbanding, lag...).

- The red spam, horns. Why do they keep coming back? And Duke, please keep shutting up. Thanks. b:pleased

- Badly timed/unfitting/backfiring compensations. DQ nerfing (before the DQ rewards system appeared), the orbs fiasco, this year's anniversary rewards, etc.

- Lack of features in our version, like housing. We got bases, so why not individual houses?

3) Final Verdict:
I still play the game daily, but I can't get over the fact that it could have been so much better if the downsides were to be corrected. I am still here because of my chars, my faction and friends and the positive points stated above.
Do I believe in a miracle in game though? Nah...

4) What makes me going on still?
I never wished to cap (I preferred to lead all classes to mid-level), so the high-end rants and QQ tend to make me shrug. That said, I feel kind of sad for those who invested thousands of bucks into the game and don't fully get what they deserved.
As for the in-game morons, I can get over their stupidity, I have to. Reporting them won't do much though. b:chuckle

If the game ever closes, I will be sad and relieved alike. It will have been a fruitful experience.

@ OP,

My answer is not there. I need a flat-out, "I dont know - it defies all logic." category. b:surrender

Granted, I was a little slow to catch on about the game getting more and more out of my reach gear-wise. But, okies - Brill DID catch on in the end. No#1 logical reason to be gone already.

But, no! With the new expansion, I started a new Mystic. It was new. I desided to view it from a new players perspective. It has its good and bad points, variable toward or against your particular game habits and play style. Up until level 40 (which happens astonishingly faster now) - its a different experience than my Main had overall. Im hoping to keep it going until at least 60, and we will see what happens with that 'ghostly hope'. b:chuckle

The character creation is the best of any game I know of. The community is the same as anywhere - real life in real world, or real life and online. The mechanics are not particularly complex. It is more complicated than most, but it isnt the 'science project' others can be.

It's a good game. It has issues that are insurmountable for many. It is its own connundrum of a question. *partial-ghost shrugs* b:chuckle

Why am I still here? The real question is why are you here caring and still posting on this forum if you quit about a year ago?

You're just another stupid QQer to me, if this game really lost your interest, it will be like you just disappeared. You do not deserve a serious reply.

Positive: Venos have floofy tails

Negative: 80% the time I log in wanting to do a bh100 I cannot find a squad, no one is WCing for one and no one replys to my WCs, and my friends are hardly ever on/my faction is on alts.

When you do everything else there is to do, and only need to get your bhs out of the way, and there aren't enough people playing this game to find a couple that also need it at a time other than RIGHT after midnight then GG.

Thats when you stop logging in and play another game.

I actually really enjoyed reincarnating and working my way back to 100. Mostly because I could solo every instance I needed. Now that I'm 100 again and required to get a squad for things again, my interest and time are so far totally wasted.

I can only waste so much of my time looking for a Lunar or my first Flowsilver Palace squad, before I log off come on the forum and add to one of the many QQ threads.

But I still play, because unlike some other games this one isn't spammed 24/7 with RMT and people global chatting the n word and how they wanna bang your mom. Or if it is I already have those people blacklisted.

They are probably the same people that form squads for bhs b:chuckle

Lesthar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

It's him?

to Yulk: Damn, bro... try to write something more interesting, you sorely disappoint me here.

To be honest, it is the same nonsense like the other countless threads about quit or ask why you stay playing. I am just telling the OP why even bother with the game again if he quit. I do not bother with the games I quit as you know, I quit and not even think about the game I dislike.

PWE have disappoint a lot of us, I barely play PW anymore either as I am losing interest too, but would I want to make some thread about "I am quitting" or "Why do you want to stay playing this game?" No, I just tell my friends that play this game I am quitting only and just leave like I did with a few MMOs, as far as for one of the games, I just clearly stopped playing that and pretended I never even played that in the first place.

I hadn't the right option to vote b:surrender

I hope I won't quit.... But :

If PWE managers still scam the more honest players and reward the more cheating players, I'll quit...

I don't quit immediately because I have enough stuff, cash and pots to have fun in nw/tw's, and I wish to spend that for fun.

BUT : I don't pex/farm anymore or a very little, and I don't cs anymore at all !

Maybe, if managers care about doing again this game fair enough, if they care listening to players, if they dare bet on the long term when taking decisions; I'll start again playing, farming and even csing...
If they keep abusing players, I'll quit after taking minimal share in economy system ( i.e. : not only stoping to cs but also stoping to farm...)

1. Name one or more reasons why this game is great.
- Fully open world, only limitation is running into the world edges.
- Flying mechanic is a lot of fun. I've yet to see that in any other game other then ****.

2. Name one or more reasons why this game is not so great (or downright sucks).
- End level gear is basically pay-to-win, and you have no chance in PvP without it. Not a problem for me as I don't do, or plan to, PvP at all, but still...
- All the recent developer decisions seem geared around keeping people logged into the game as long as possible. Not sure why, but it makes me a little suspicious.
- New events and areas, and the game mechanics aren't explained very well. The game is not very accessible to new players.
- Rebirth system is creating a deepening rift between newer players, and the higher ups who have everything already.

3. Which side wins out in your opinion?
Positive side. Or I'd no longer be here. I play games because I like to play them... if they stop being fun I stop playing them.

4. I'm assuming the majority of people reading this still play the game and you're certainly reading the forums. If the negative side won for you, why are you still here?
Negative didn't win. I'm here because I enjoy playing this game together with a few close friends. Taking things slow... only recently hit level 81 (not reborn) so some stuff is still new.

1. First and biggest reason I continue play this game are my friends and faction. I love exploring new things and instances with them, do TWs/NWs and chat every day on guild chat or TS. They are like my second family, brothers and sisters who live far enough not to annoy me b:laugh

2. Second reason is that I love helping and share my game knowledge with those who need help. I enjoy making guides, youtube vids etc just to help them understand things in easy way. It makes me happy when ever I help someone b:surrender

Why I like the game:

Well at first it was something other to play and it was new in 2008 for me,no one was around hardly at the time in a week I almost quit until I started seeing more players all of the sudden.

Custom character design this game has unlike many of the other games I have played that are cookie cutter look alikes.

Game in the 5 years its been around has produced a lot of content,new races,content,maps and such and other cluttered stuff I cant manage to get to.

Game is a lot easier now to actually make a earning and not be cash dependant(to me it has,ill spend giftcards around the end of the year)

Old friends or people I have played with still hang around.

Prob some other stuff.


What I don't like about the game:

Its repeat repeat repeat,new stuff comes then its old in a few weeks and your back to doing the same stuff..mmo life I guess.

Not going to say bugs because that just a nature of games.

They like to take out things that could benefit people such as fairy boxes,rb coin and such for a example,and other ****.

more stuff.


why don't I leave?
I actually still do have fun,mainly I like to run the bh's and such for the site of the 2mill and 5mill cards,i like to experiment with each class(no venos to gender locked,i hate being a beyotch),helping other people at times play or just to have something to do to waste my time.

I come from a FPS game world and I haven't really got involved in one to hardcore like I used to be in the past 5 years due to old partners leaving the game scene,but also because even FPS games are catoring to the pay to win **** we have here in PW.