War Avatar System

Asterelle - Sanctuary · December 2013

Magnanimous_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

edit:
from what i notice, putting a card in the wrong slot only gives white stats bonus, if the card itself is lvl B (and above?). But blue stats doesnt get added. for lvl C cards, no stats is awarded at all.

To be more clear it only gives the base white bonus of a card that would belong in that slot. For example putting a Durability card (HP + Mres) in Soulprime (Spirit) would only give Spirit. Equipping 6 Durability cards doesn't give you 6*(HP + MRes).

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

innocencex wrote: »

I have a few questions about the War Avatar system and how it is added to our original attack/def/hp gained from gear, stat points and mastery skills.

Do we know how they are applied to our stats? For example if both the Destroyer and Battle card are B rating and lvl1 they give +50 p/m.attack each, would that +100 attack go through the weapon attack multiplier and mastery skill that our weapon attack, ring attack and any other such adds on gear do? Or is the value from cards just added on top of what is calculated from gear.

Same for p/m.def; also is the HP from cards taken into consideration for HP buff, 5% HP add-ons and other modifiers?

I would guess it goes on top of your gear but I'm not very good with these things lol. Need someone else to check.

freygin · December 2013

With the addition of this card system, does that mean players who farm cards like crazy will be stronger than those who don't have much time to spend for farming cards ?

Does anyone have the screenshot of how the strongest card set look like ? and the set bonus with nuema , etc. How long will it take to obtain the best or second best, third best and so on card set ? Card set from packs or farmed one, which one is better ?

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

Nobody has a full good set of S card yet, it's too early. There are people with S cards (mostly CS'd) but I don't know if they are leveled/reawakened and highly doubt they have the set bonuses since getting the cards is completely random.

Cards should be treated like new gear because that's what they are pretty much. It's like a new R9 gear set of sorts...CSers will get it fast, non-CSers will have to farm and save money.

What I don't know is how the different grades compare to each other in terms of power. I would guess a leveled/reawakened A set would be stronger than a regular S set.

Toraah - Archosaur · December 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nobody has a full good set of S card yet, it's too early. There are people with S cards (mostly CS'd) but I don't know if they are leveled/reawakened and highly doubt they have the set bonuses since getting the cards is completely random.

Cards should be treated like new gear because that's what they are pretty much. It's like a new R9 gear set of sorts...CSers will get it fast, non-CSers will have to farm and save money.

What I don't know is how the different grades compare to each other in terms of power. I would guess a leveled/reawakened A set would be stronger than a regular S set.

Don't be so quick to jump to conclusions. I have an S card and I got it from my 6th FSP S grade chest without CSing at all. I farmed FSP for the coins to make it and I did one or two TTs (depending on my luck) to buy the gold needed for War Avatar Catalysts. The set bonus looks as if it increases the stats by 40% which, for this card in particular is extremely OP o.o

http://vvcap.net/db/8KIT3ow0i1c_WHftL7MU.htp

Mooooooooo - Lost City · December 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Nobody has a full good set of S card yet, it's too early. There are people with S cards (mostly CS'd) but I don't know if they are leveled/reawakened and highly doubt they have the set bonuses since getting the cards is completely random.

Cards should be treated like new gear because that's what they are pretty much. It's like a new R9 gear set of sorts...CSers will get it fast, non-CSers will have to farm and save money.

What I don't know is how the different grades compare to each other in terms of power. I would guess a leveled/reawakened A set would be stronger than a regular S set.

The set bonus just depends on number of cards in the set. it's the same for any rarity.

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

Cards themselves offer set bonuses though apart from the general "have 6 cards equipped" bonus.

Also what I meant is, I haven't seen anyone on my server have a full set of S cards that are leveled and reawakened or have a set of S cards that are of the same set bonus. I have one S card myself which I got from a pack but it's lvl2. My S card is Tsu. If I want the card set bonus I need to get lucky and get the S card Tsuan but getting the S card you specifically want is a very slim chance.

This is completely different from the bonus you get from equipping cards in all card slots as far as I know.

Point? There are a lot of possibilities.
-Equip corresponding cards in every card slot.
-Equip a whole set of same grade cards.
-Equip cards with set bonuses within themselves.

Mooooooooo - Lost City · December 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Cards themselves offer set bonuses though apart from the general "have 6 cards equipped" bonus.

Also what I meant is, I haven't seen anyone on my server have a full set of S cards that are leveled and reawakened or have a set of S cards that are of the same set bonus. I have one S card myself which I got from a pack but it's lvl2. My S card is Tsu. If I want the card set bonus I need to get lucky and get the S card Tsuan but getting the S card you specifically want is a very slim chance.

This is completely different from the bonus you get from equipping cards in all card slots as far as I know.

Point? There are a lot of possibilities.
-Equip corresponding cards in every card slot.
-Equip a whole set of same grade cards.
-Equip cards with set bonuses within themselves.

There's no bonus for equipping all the correct type of cards. Just no deductions.

There's no bonus for equipping all same grade cards as far as I've seen.

The bonus for set bonus is just a %boost to the white stats of the cards involved in the set.

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

Did you try it out? Truth is I haven't tried it out myself but that's what other people have been saying o.o

Cheze - Lost City · December 2013

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

Did you try it out? Truth is I haven't tried it out myself but that's what other people have been saying o.o

yes. and the only bonus is if you have a set bonus. it's just same as pieces of gear with set bonus...

edit: I posted on wrong char but whatever lol.

Toraah - Archosaur · December 2013

For cards with a 3 set, do you get a bonus for 2 cards out of three, then a higher bonus for 3 cards out of 3?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2013

was there a place we could see the average spirit of a card class? (cant remember if it differed)

gabitetis · December 2013

hi.,can anyone tell me why me(and some my friends too) dont have quest for C cards at Avatar war master?when you talk with NPC he shows you just 3 options-War avatar catalyst and for cards A and S.,thank you

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

gabitetis wrote: »

hi.,can anyone tell me why me(and some my friends too) dont have quest for C cards at Avatar war master?when you talk with NPC he shows you just 3 options-War avatar catalyst and for cards A and S.,thank you

Maybe you've already used the one for a free B card already without realising it.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

was there a place we could see the average spirit of a card class? (cant remember if it differed)

Not sure if there's any place to check on cards (stats or w/e) at the moment... unless a certain someone can dig into the game files or something *hint hint*

For the card bonus thing...I'm terribly confused at the moment so I can't answer that.

Desdi - Sanctuary · December 2013

It looks like the database has been updated with the cards and all but it only includes the add-ons. It doesn't show the base/default statistics of each card.

beatthegame · December 2013

Anything known yet about reincarnated cards? I want to reincarnate my S card but the description makes it sound like the card will come out worse than it is with all the lvl bonuses.

Also, anything further on war avatar artifact, or S+ cards?

Mooooooooo - Lost City · December 2013

beatthegame wrote: »

Anything known yet about reincarnated cards? I want to reincarnate my S card but the description makes it sound like the card will come out worse than it is with all the lvl bonuses.

Also, anything further on war avatar artifact, or S+ cards?

you have 2x of some S card one of which is maxed to reincarnate? o.O

beatthegame · December 2013

Mooooooooo - Lost City wrote: »

you have 2x of some S card one of which is maxed to reincarnate? o.O

I as unaware I need a duplicate of the card I'm wanting to reincarnate, that's why I'm asking here ^^ I thought you can use any extra S card, and yes I can lvl my card to around 70/80 atm, so reincarnating could be in the near future.

The npc says it resets the card to lvl 1 and adds 130% to base stats, which on 270 attack would only be 351, where as the card would have over 500 attack at lvl 80. Unless it gave 130% on the lvl 80 stats, no way it's worth reincarnating.

On a side note, I uncovered that even when putting a card in a slot which it doesn't belong, you still receive 57% of the stats(but not the blue adds). For example when I put an S Longevity card in the Durability slot, I still get 756 mag def and 356 hp, more than I get from putting an A Durability card in it's proper slot.

freygin · December 2013

Are the new areas like Primal World, event area Sunset Valley Bloody Battle, etc, safe zones or PK zones ?

Asterelle - Sanctuary · December 2013

beatthegame wrote: »

On a side note, I uncovered that even when putting a card in a slot which it doesn't belong, you still receive 57% of the stats(but not the blue adds). For example when I put an S Longevity card in the Durability slot, I still get 756 mag def and 356 hp, more than I get from putting an A Durability card in it's proper slot.

Not quite how it works. You end up getting the white stats for a lvl 1 card of that type that would belong in that slot. For instance putting a lvl 40 longevity S card in the Battle slot would give 270 attack (the same as a lvl 1 battle S card). This is only true for B card or better

beatthegame · December 2013

I see what you mean, so putting any S card in durability slot would give the same base stats as the durability S card would, thanks!

Sinclere - Sanctuary · January 2014

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

- New event, Sunset Valley Bloody Battle. Runs on Tuesdays and Thursdays between 19:00-20:00 server time. Requires lvl100+ and be reawakened.Needs confirmation.

Npc General Helian says something along the lines of "cross server maintenance in progress"

Also not sure if mentioned in the guide, war avatar cards give different stats to different classes, as an example using my S class astrid:

Sin
http://i.imgur.com/C7zDqUJ.png
Barb
http://i.imgur.com/8VSKVIh.png

So from longevity avatars, barbs get significantly higher stats than sins (tested with clerics and they get much lower than sins).

Asterelle - Sanctuary · January 2014

I took a look into this. Each class has their own multiplier for the white stats from each card. For the most part the only cards that change from class to class is Durability and Longevity. The only exception is that Sins get a lowered value from Battle/Destroyer.

BM/Barb/Seeker get 140% from Longevity / 80% from Durability
Archer gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability
Sin gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability / 75% Battle / 75% Destroyer
Cleric/Mystic/Veno/Wiz/Psychic get 40% Longevity / 140% Durability

Everything else is 100%. These multipliers apply to card base stats, stats from leveling up cards, and to the stats you get from Nuema. They apply equally to all the base stats on the card (so the HP and the Mres on a Durability card get the same multiplier).

Mooooooooo - Lost City · January 2014

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I took a look into this. Each class has their own multiplier for the white stats from each card. For the most part the only cards that change from class to class is Durability and Longevity. The only exception is that Sins get a lowered value from Battle/Destroyer.

BM/Barb/Seeker get 140% from Longevity / 80% from Durability
Archer gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability
Sin gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability / 75% Battle / 75% Destroyer
Cleric/Mystic/Veno/Wiz/Psychic get 40% Longevity / 140% Durability

Everything else is 100%. These multipliers apply to card base stats, stats from leveling up cards, and to the stats you get from Nuema. They apply equally to all the base stats on the card (so the HP and the Mres on a Longevity card get the same multiplier).

so jiiped on the hp/pdef

Desdi - Sanctuary · January 2014

Thanks guys! I put the links/info up and corrected some parts.

beatthegame · January 2014

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

I took a look into this. Each class has their own multiplier for the white stats from each card. For the most part the only cards that change from class to class is Durability and Longevity. The only exception is that Sins get a lowered value from Battle/Destroyer.

BM/Barb/Seeker get 140% from Longevity / 80% from Durability
Archer gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability
Sin gets 80% Longevity / 120% Durability / 75% Battle / 75% Destroyer
Cleric/Mystic/Veno/Wiz/Psychic get 40% Longevity / 140% Durability

Everything else is 100%. These multipliers apply to card base stats, stats from leveling up cards, and to the stats you get from Nuema. They apply equally to all the base stats on the card (so the HP and the Mres on a Durability card get the same multiplier).

This is good to know, I was wondering the same when I saw an archer with same A card as me but 200 more mag def and lvl 1. This was a good idea by devs, helps maintain balance I suppose.

Mooooooooo - Lost City · January 2014

Cannot devour s cards currently dispite the card saying will give so much xp when devoured. Rumors on pwcn saying they plan to fix that. However before then I will probably send ticket if I want to move xp on my s card if I happen to obtain a better set.

SynfulDream - Dreamweaver · January 2014

Thank you so very much for the guide Desdi!! Cleared up the confusion!

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver · January 2014

Set bonuses then. Is there a pattern i.e. one and only 6 card set is 100% and in dimishing bonuses proportionate to set size? I.e. are all 3 card sets 50% bonus..

Pwdatabase doesnt list the set bonus for a particular compelect.

Desdi - Sanctuary · January 2014

Not sure :[
I wish the database was more useful >.>

And you're welcome Synful

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