Whats news for mystics in the up coming expansion?

I think mystics got a bit shafted in terms of skill updates, but I'll have to see how good the new weeping breeze is as well as how much they buffed Chiyu stats.

Instant lysing may just be the winner of this expansion, it completely changes how people will play mystics.

HolyMyst - Harshlands wrote: »

Can you tell me where you got your info, would really appreciate it

General Discussion...

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

I really don't get the dance thing. It's so random. Why would you fuse a heal and DD skill into one DD skill...?

Cause the healing skill is useless, I never did used it, so if I can merge both to get a more OP DD skill than I'll do it.

When you upgrade your Lysing to level 11 (after reincarnating), it no longer has a channel or cast time. That means people can no longer just move away when you throw a plant on them - they won't have time to escape. It's going to be huge.

The other big winner is upgraded Swirling Mist - it's an aoe now. So we now have a ranged aoe that doesn't cost chi. Demon crappy debuff is actually good now, one out of four people will take extra damage from your followup Lucky Break Gale Force.

Fusion Dance is better than it was but I don't think it's going to be gamechanging.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

=== MYSTIC ===

[/color]Extreme·Lysing

Mana ??
Channel Instant
Cooldown %.1f seconds
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Aware of Principle
Overpower your summoned plant with
nature's fury, causing all plants
within 26.5 Meters of the target to
violently explode. Deals damage and causes
additional effects based on the plant types.

The range of each plant's explosion is 10 Meters.


Extreme·Storm Dance

Range 27 Meters
Mana 900
Channel 2.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 10.0 seconds
Chi Gained 20
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Celestial Sage、Celestial Demon
Blast your enemy with the power of a raging
hurricane, dealing base magic damage plus 250%
of weapon damage plus 8776 as Wood damage. Lowers
the target's maximumHealth by 8% for 8 seconds. Has
a chance to reduce the cooldown of your next Absorb
Soul within 6 seconds by 50%. The chance to reduce
the cooldown is up to 50%, based on your Soulforce.

Extreme·Storm Dance

Range 27 Meters
Mana 900
Channel 2.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 10.0 seconds
Chi Gained 20
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Celestial Sage、Celestial Demon
Blast your enemy with the power of a raging
hurricane, dealing base magic damage plus 250%
of weapon damage plus 8776 as Wood damage. Lowers
the target's maximumHealth by 8% for 8 seconds. Has
a chance to reduce the cooldown of your next Absorb
Soul within 6 seconds by 50%. The chance to reduce
the cooldown is up to 50%, based on your Soulforce.

ΦSwirling Mist

Range 27 Meters
Mana 225
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 15.0 seconds
Chi Gained 10
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Aware of the Myriad
Conjure a ball of condensed mist to strike all enemies within
10 Meters of your target, dealing base magic damage plus 6018
as Wood damage and applying the Mist's Grasp status. When the
target's Health is below 60%, Mist's Grasp will activate
for 6 seconds, dealing base magic damage plus 4300 as Wood
damage. Mist's Grasp lasts 45 seconds or until activated.

Sage version increases the damage of Mist's Grasp by 1800.

ΩSwirling Mist

Range 27 Meters
Mana 225
Channel 1.0 seconds
Cast 1.0 seconds
Cooldown 15.0 seconds
Chi Gained 10
Weapon Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation Aware of the Void
Conjure a ball of condensed mist to strike all enemies within
10 Meters of your target, dealing base magic damage plus 6018
as Wood damage and applying the Mist's Grasp status. When the
target's Health is below 60%, Mist's Grasp will activate
for 6 seconds, dealing base magic damage plus 4300 as Wood
damage. Mist's Grasp lasts 45 seconds or until activated.

Demon version has a 25% chance to reduce the
target's Wood Resistance by 15% for 6 seconds.

ΦDevil Chihyu

Mana　756
Channel 　1.5　seconds
Cast　1.5　seconds
Cooldown　8.0　seconds
Chi Gained　15
Weapon　Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation　Aware of the Myriad
Summon an elemental guardian to protect you.
The Devil Chihyu attacks your enemies, dealing
physical damage. You can use Energy Leech to draw
power from your Devil Chihyu to increase your
Physical Defense by 100% and your Critical Rate
by 30% for 20 seconds. The Devil Chihyu uses
its own Chi to use skills. You can use Transference
to convert your Mana into Chi for the Devil Chihyu.

Sage version reduces the Mana cost by 10%.
Grants the Devil Chihyu the Boost skill.
Increases the Devil Chihyu's attributes."

ΩDevil Chihyu

Mana　840
Channel 　1.5　seconds
Cast　1.5　seconds
Cooldown　8.0　seconds
Chi Gained　30
Weapon　Unarmed, Magic instrument

Required Cultivation　Aware of the Void
Summon an elemental guardian to protect you.
The Devil Chihyu attacks your enemies, dealing
physical damage. You can use Energy Leech to draw
power from your Devil Chihyu to increase your
Physical Defense by 100% and your Critical Rate
by 30% for 20 seconds. The Devil Chihyu uses
its own Chi to use skills. You can use Transference
to convert your Mana into Chi for the Devil Chihyu.

Demon version generates 30 Chi.
Grants the Devil Chihyu the Boost skill.
Increases the Devil Chihyu's attributes.

From Asterelle's thread about new skills.

Extreme

The new SM is awesome. Aoe with no chi finally. 10 meters range isn't all that but it's nice not to have to stand in the middle of it. Best thing about it, they've increased its first hit damage to (base damage + 6018) from just (base damage) and reduced the time the DoT takes effect to 6 seconds (2 ticks). Basically the initial hit hits about as hard as NV does AND applies the DoT after. Awesome damage and pro spamming material on single targets as well. The increased cooldown to 15 sec however takes a bit getting used to. I found myself often trying to use it when it was on cd but it's only fair for what it can do.

AoE-wise each target applies the below 60% rule individually and for demons each target has that 25% individually so it's all working as expected. As for what we'll probably all most concerned with... its animation f:sweat not too impressive but it at least looks like an actual mist now...and it's not copy-pasted.

We're off to a good start, I'm looking forward to the others too. That instant lysing is too OP lol...if anyone would've suggested that I'd say no way. And I'm curious about that upgraded Devil...I mean I wouldn't think it would make it not to be a oneshot but its skill book requirements are pretty high so it has to be something good I guess.

HolyMyst - Harshlands wrote: »

so basically the merger of the two dance skills is to only improve one of them? I have heard that a lot of people don't like swinging cloud dance but they could have at least improve it rather than remove it all together

Meh we have enough healing skills as it is. Personally I'm pleasantly surprised they decided to go with modifying AS (is it channel or cd anyway?) as opposed to whatever healing effect they could've some up with. But I'm not gonna get too excited until I see how exactly it's dependent on soulforce.

EDIT: Is it just me or did they actually fix the pet glitch? o.O
/Best expansion evar. f:hehe

New Swirling Mist is a really nice addition...
For the moment I still have the reflex to rush on enemies to AOE, but I should adapt myself really fast. It means we have now one ranged AOE (range is not huge but that's correct) and one auto-center AOE and this is interesting.

Yes, Φ Swirling Mist is my new favorite skill.

I swapped it and Thicket on my bars, cause they went from being 2 skills I hardly ever used, to a skill I use all the time and one that has no place outside of pvp, if that.

This skill is what I think it should have ALWAYS been. When you hear "swirling mist" you kinda imagine an aoe don't you? Its not "poison dart" or "toxic water balloon" its a miiiiiist.

The tooltip for it is wrong atm. It lists the same grasp damage as the omega version, but it should be higher like sage version.

Thicket remains a lost cause, but I'm looking forward to learning the other skills. I'm curious how much of a buff Devil is getting. I would have buffed Salvation personally because out of all the summons she is the squishiest. The others already do well enough for their intended purpose, but the one that is supposed to make you and your friends tankier is the weakest f:brick

Personally I don't like the skill updates at all, except for the instant Lysing one.

I feel as though they shafted Mystics. For example, both our 59 skills are utterly useless. Now they are combining 2 of our 100 skills into 1....bleh. Other classes are combining skills that aren't even their 100 ones -_-. Also, I hardly even use WBD unless combo'd with lucky break + rapid growth (because it's super slow compared to natures vengeance) now they are upgrading it by reducing channel (?) of Absorb Soul WITHIN 6 seconds.

I would like this update if the either:

(a) Apply the double damage effect immediately after using the "Extreme-Dance" skill so I can just AS without the need to follow up with Natures Vengeance THEN use AS combo

or

(b) Apply the temporary increased hp onto yourself and absorb 20% of health reduced by the target's HP

or

(c) Don't make it "Within 6 seconds", but rather make it "Your next Absorb Soul".

or

(d) Give us some REAL skills -_- Our crapplord is seriously just for show. b:angry

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Personally I don't like the skill updates at all, except for the instant Lysing one.

I feel as though they shafted Mystics. For example, both our 59 skills are utterly useless. Now they are combining 2 of our 100 skills into 1....bleh. Other classes are combining skills that aren't even their 100 ones -_-. Also, I hardly even use Swinging Cloud Dance unless combo'd with lucky break + rapid growth (because it's super slow compared to natures vengeance) now they are upgrading it by reducing channel (?) of Absorb Soul WITHIN 6 seconds.

I would like this update if the either:

(a) Apply the double damage effect immediately after using the "Extreme-Dance" skill so I can just AS without the need to follow up with Natures Vengeance THEN use AS combo

or

(b) Apply the temporary increased hp onto yourself and absorb 20% of health reduced by the target's HP

or

(c) Don't make it "Within 6 seconds", but rather make it "Your next Absorb Soul".

or

(d) Give us some REAL skills -_- Our crapplord is seriously just for show. b:angry

Thicket is far from useless at least in PvP. And for PvE you got SM update.

Why is combining our 100 skills a bad idea? No one ever used SCD (that's the heal). And that was the point of combining skills to get rid of the more unused ones, I speculate since that applies in most cases. In our case it just happened to be our 100 skills but they didn't choose it at random.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Do you mean weeping breeze dance? It doesn't look like it was buffed much, but they're kinda subtle. The chi is upgraded from 15 to 20, and cast time was reduced from 2.5 to 2. So with enough channel, it actually compares very favorably in terms of dps to nature's vengeance, especially when you take into account the 8% hp debuff.

The proc also turns absorb soul into a 1 second channel with current gears, or almost instant with rapid growth (20% rapid + 50% proc + 27% gears = 97% reduced channel). Once it procs, it's basically a 6-8k hit on casters/archers that comes out almost instantly. And this isn't even taking into account the hefty damage + debuff of the weeping that came before.

Just my 2 cents. We'll have to actually play with it to see, but I think the proc has the potential to be insanely strong with the new gears/updates.

^This + they also increased its attack from 3500 to 8776 which is more then a few. But yeah we're gonna get to it eventually.

mrcharlyplustwo wrote: »

Does Swirling Mist become an aoe before reincarnation?

No, to get any of the new skills you have to access the new area and do new quests which require to be reincarnated.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Do you mean weeping breeze dance? It doesn't look like it was buffed much, but they're kinda subtle. The chi is upgraded from 15 to 20, and cast time was reduced from 2.5 to 2. So with enough channel, it actually compares very favorably in terms of dps to nature's vengeance, especially when you take into account the 8% hp debuff.

The proc also turns absorb soul into a 1 second channel with current gears, or almost instant with rapid growth (20% rapid + 50% proc + 27% gears = 97% reduced channel). Once it procs, it's basically a 6-8k hit on casters/archers that comes out almost instantly. And this isn't even taking into account the hefty damage + debuff of the weeping that came before.

Just my 2 cents. We'll have to actually play with it to see, but I think the proc has the potential to be insanely strong with the new gears/updates.

Nowadays you can't just fire AS randomly and go for a one shot kill though...I always find that I have to lower target's hp midway before even using a basic AS to go for the kill. Mystics already hit significantly less than other mages due to the lack of debuffs, which means that you have to combo (Leech Storm Mistress + Rapid Growth) to even develop enough DD to kill from high hp. I'm talking about players with GOOD GEAR. Most people you fight who has a brain would normally block the upgrading WBD with a charm, THEN you have to follow it up with a NV, THEN use the AS combo. So many freaking steps and "chances" to even go for this type of combo. That's the reason why I don't like it.

ChevaIier - Harshlands wrote: »

Have you tried using thicket on r9rr? It hits low (HA or LA) and it procs purify on r9rr AA's. And I don't mean r9rr players who have +5/7 refines with g9 shards, i mean people with +10 gear with g11 or better shards. It hits NOTHING compared to DD'ing with NV and I'm speaking from experience. Hence, it's a waste of 2 sparks in comparison to using the chi to leech chiyu and use rapid growth combos. Yea I meant WBD, and personally I use SCD a lot while being a cata mystic. It's like a cleric's SoR which heals a huge amount with an additional HP buff. And only reason why people don't use it is because of the long channeling, but when you're r9rr the channel is literally nothing.


One thing I like is the SM update though (which I was just recently informed of). That's it really, the WBD upgrade doesn't sound appealing to me to reduce AS channel if you have to follow it up with a NV Proc.

By the way combining 2 of our 100's skills is a BAD idea because other classes combined skills that werent their 100's. As the reason stated above our 59 skills are complete garbage already, and they take away our 100 skills instead of adding something else that's better.

I'm talking about using it for crowd control. You can realize it does ****ty damage just by taking one look at its description, you don't need experience. Ofc you're not going to use it for damage and it's a very high risk against purify weapons. That doesn't make it useless at all for everything else. Nobody decent in PvP is going to let you just shoot combos at them without some form of cc. And demon's bonus can be deadly.

Main reason why I personally dislike SCD is that it heals first and AFTER applies its increase HP buff. Effectively meaning in best case you will need yet another heal to put it to use or in worst case a lot of heals or even a charm tick. Which may not be fast enough for those 8 seconds. And again we have enough heals, something more offensive is welcomed.

Anyway so far we only just got SM and that proved major. Let's wait until we actually have the others to say if they're great or not.

You seem to think Thicket is supposed to be a damage skill. It's not, it's a control skill. The seal and freeze (and curse for demon) last a very long time, giving you lots of time to position, set up plants, and anything else you need to do. Generally when I drop a Thicket on someone they don't survive what comes afterwards.