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  • Untamed_pain - Archosaur
    Untamed_pain - Archosaur Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Well, atm my veno is facless. Tell i figure out what to do with her. I got tired of Rogue vs Defiance week after week. for lots of reasons. I want different opponents. My cleric is still in Supermen. i will just tw with her for a while.

    I personally think Tw needs a overhaul. I mean honestly how many times can you win a tw fac that it doesn't get boring or win quick tws? i mean come on now. I want fun tw's...

    I don't need to be ganked to have a fun tw. I just want a fun one. Maybe it's just me. *shrugs*

    OldManMagic we had good battles in NW on Sunday lol.
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  • __Sami__ - Archosaur
    __Sami__ - Archosaur Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Barbski - Archosaur wrote: »


    Rivalry is a byproduct of competition, and competition is only created by those who are willing to have it. It doesn't matter how close Defiance and Rogue are now, what matters is what happens if Rogue manages to win one, is Defiance going to accept kattanyia, metalogue, pulseofhell, that one archer with all +12 gear who acts like a phaggot, and whoever else for whatever chitty reason you gave us last time?

    "But Rogue would've done the same thing." that mentality has ruined Archosaur. It's a collective action problem, and it's what the sheep practice because they lack the mental fortitude necessary to stick to a worthy standard by which you should hold yourself accountable.

    Actually Mark is already in Defiance, showed up for both weekend TWs. Reason why we dont have rivalries is the lack of sides, with map reset people jump from faction to faction too much for rivalries to really form. As for Kat and Sid? Acting like them joining would turn tide of TW massively is simply ignorant, there is just too many power players on field on both sides atm for 2 players to drastically affect the balance. They are certainly asset to any faction they join but so what.

    We kinda got what you always wanted on server atm. With Nemesis disbanded, there was large amount of factors w/o loyalty to a existing faction, which ended up to two fairly equal sides. Those players werent interested in rolls so they kinda balanced Rogue and Defiance, not intentionally but Nemesis who joined Rogue stayed and the overkill portion who joined Defiance got bored, joined smaller factions, balanced things out. But this artificial competition is just that, artificial and it lacks loyalty to faction. When one side gets too much stronger, it is "balanced by the system" with new sides and that pretty much kills rivalry. In a way we now got technically fun TWs but w/o the heart in it so to say.
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  • Viktorian - Archosaur
    Viktorian - Archosaur Posts: 746 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    none of which answers the question
    wat do the players do to get that heart back in it?
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  • Bloodmystlc - Archosaur
    Bloodmystlc - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Untamed_pain - Archosaur wrote: »
    OldManMagic we had good battles in NW on Sunday lol.

    b:quiet

    /10 char
  • Bloodmystlc - Archosaur
    Bloodmystlc - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Barbski - Archosaur wrote: »

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3epawb7Hrc

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxRqhmN3-Kg

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YkO07yihJw

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJeDWnGLdOI

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCqhIcUTnyY

    A few observations so that they don't slip by unnoticed:

    The wizard filming the damn videos was lvl 80. The people he's fighting include people in all g13 nirvana. So (1) his gear didn't stop him from contributing, and (2) his gear and level didn't keep him out of the faction. Think about THAT the next time you ask someone to link weapon for an invite to a fkn bh squad, all you gear snobs.

    There are people there that didn't exactly get along well together - but they came together for the challenge of it.

    There's some bad a$$ wizard in there with a tt99 weapon wrecking the place - it was almost as if he knew that little 8x wizard was taping the damn thing and wanted to be in as much of the video as possible . . . . spotlight hound that one.


    And proski, your lyrics for proski pop were rewritten much more thoughtfully - you should update your video.

    Daymn, if it isn't dat blood guy again . . . .
    BLOODMYSTIC - Archosaur wrote: »
    OMG, not bad. misspelled your own name at the end, but I doubt anyone will notice.

    And slightly derivative:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlpnS9U0VOQ

    BLOODMYSTIC:<--tanking proski's BT since 2010

    This is going on the wizard forums NAO!

    Hmm, how about I fix it for you. As usual, play the music while you read:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Leb2xG2XkEw&playnext=1&list=PLBDEF2FB6E919FC07

    Sick and tired of hearing
    All these people talk about
    What's the deal with Proski?
    And when's he gonna fade out?
    The thing you got to realize
    What I'm doing is not a trend
    I got the gift of wizardry
    I'm gonna bring it till the end
    (Come on now)

    It doesn't matter
    'Bout the mount I ride or
    A cube around my neck
    All that matters
    Is that you recognize
    it's rank 8 you better respect
    It doesn't matter
    'bout the fashion I wear
    the faction I join or why
    All that matters
    Is that you get wiped and
    I'll do it to you every time
    (Come on now)

    Do you ever wonder why
    My damage is so high?
    It make you wanna cry
    Feel stunned when your hit
    with a big rock
    (Hit with a big rock)
    Baby you can't stop
    (You can't stop)
    And your genies all you got
    Come on now
    Got Proski - popped

    Proski popped
    Baby bet you can't stop
    I know you
    Like this proski pop
    This must be

    Now, why you wanna try
    To classify the type of thing I do
    'Cause I'm just fine
    Doin what I like
    Can I say the same for you?
    Tired of feelin all
    Around me animosity
    not worry about yours
    'Cause I'm gonna get mine
    Now people can't you see

    (repeat)
  • Barbski - Archosaur
    Barbski - Archosaur Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    __Sami__ - Archosaur wrote: »
    Actually Mark is already in Defiance, showed up for both weekend TWs.

    As for Kat and Sid? Acting like them joining would turn tide of TW massively is simply ignorant

    I don't mean to be a d.ick but I'll try and use simpler English so you don't misunderstand me. I was posing a theoretical question. I realize that right now it would take a lot more players to turn the tide as you put it. The fact is, though, that in the not-so-distant past, that did happen, when So Hot joined Defiance, and TW's immediately went from 2 and a half hours to 20 minutes, that's why I used those specific players names as an example. The problem is anytime someone brings that up, they're immediately accused for starting "drama" (dat word) by those who are too emotionally attached to be able to look at what transpired with some objectivity. If you want loyalty, you have to have competition happening more frequently so people are given a reason to stay. You won't have competition if the server repeats its mistakes from the past. It's literally as simple as that.

    __Sami__ - Archosaur wrote: »
    We kinda got what you always wanted on server atm. With Nemesis disbanded, there was large amount of factors w/o loyalty to a existing faction, which ended up to two fairly equal sides. Those players werent interested in rolls so they kinda balanced Rogue and Defiance, not intentionally but Nemesis who joined Rogue stayed and the overkill portion who joined Defiance got bored, joined smaller factions, balanced things out. But this artificial competition is just that, artificial and it lacks loyalty to faction. When one side gets too much stronger, it is "balanced by the system" with new sides and that pretty much kills rivalry. In a way we now got technically fun TWs but w/o the heart in it so to say.

    That's cool, I'm not pretending to know what's happening now because I haven't been active in forever, but you are dead wrong in thinking that what I always wanted was for nemesis to disband. What I always wanted was for the top faction to stop pushing their advantage when they were already ahead by a mile, or stalling TW's for kills or to hit that 1-2 hour mark, just so they can sell what happened as better than what it really was, because that is how you wind up confusing players into making terrible decisions about which faction they should join. Case in point: dominant faction X is constantly outside of faction Y's base, but the TW doesn't end for an hour because faction X still wanted their kills, or to try and be cute with their catas. Faction X and faction Y both pretend they love each other in world chat and thank one another for the "AMAZINGGGG TW" that just happened. People see that, but if given a choice, choose to join faction X because they were the winners. What you created: huge phucking imbalance all because nobody wants to admit it when they are stronger. That is where blood and I have come in and called things as they really were for the past 4 years, and it's gotten a lot of people to hate us, but it's alright, we know you want us on that wall, you need us on that wall (movie reference) ;P
  • Jarkhen - Archosaur
    Jarkhen - Archosaur Posts: 990 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Barbski - Archosaur wrote: »
    Is this real tea? That sentiment epitomizes exactly what it means to be an effeminate coward. If you worry about members leaving, they will. Just decide what it is you want to do and go and do the damn thing. While there will always be those who leave, those that stay are the truly supportive ones. Sure, the latter may not have the best gear, but that's the beauty in it that all you new brahs who trace your ancestry dawt com to nemesis/defiance/rogue can't see because you aren't risk takers.

    Dose of real tea for you: having a faction with only 10 TWers ain't gonna get you anywhere, period, when your only TW options are fighting factions that show 70+. Like it or not, you need some members.

    Yes, the ones that stay are the "supportive ones" and that's great. But when you and your 9 "supportive ones" are stuck fighting 70 people every week? That's not so great. Having fun requires being competitive, and that requires enough people to not get massacred 5 seconds after you respawn.

    Also, throwing the "nem/defiance/rogue baby" card out when almost everyone talking in this thread has been around for at least 2-3 years is kind of absurd.
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  • CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur
    CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    wow this got derailed reaaaaally quickly, lol only one person responded appropriately bout wht this post was originally for. b:chuckle

    Anyway the conversation at the moment is more interesting than the point of the original thread, so carry on b:avoid
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  • CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur
    CANUS_MAJOR - Archosaur Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    In terms of fun tw's, part of what makes a good rivalry is a sense of faction pride. Considering that ppl jump from fac to fac on a whim with no regard now a days makes it hard for some to feel connected to any fac they join, which never builds any fac pride in my opinion

    In order to have a proper rivalry you have to be fighting over something more than just a piece of land, and i think thts wht some of the facs mentioned earlier in previous years had going for them

    In terms of a carebear attitude, its important to remember archosaur is shrinking as a server...I dont mean population but its getting to the point where its hard not to run into someone you know of. Early on in the server ppl were less familiar with each other, thus more willing to say things without reserve or possible judgement. When you recognize everyone, for many they start to watch what they say, which is why as someone mentioned earlier leaders of fac's now are less likely to do things that may possibly burn bridges.

    It was also mentioned that if a fac leader decides to change things up now a days, ppl give em hell for it and leave. As i see it, facs over the years have formed molds of what a "tw fac" should be, as the years go by the mold hardens and it becomes harder and harder to change and less flexible. So when ppl join a fac and it doesnt fit their mold of what a fac should be they take off, I just think in many ways we r kinda spoiled in many ways. There are so many facs participating in tw's they r plenty of options for being involved in tw, and with many options comes laziness....

    Also for the comment bout burning bridges, when you burn a bridge now a days the whole town comes out and watches, before you could burn a bridge and there were less ppl around to see it.

    Anyway thts just how i see it though b:pleased
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  • AgentPotato - Archosaur
    AgentPotato - Archosaur Posts: 324 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    When did all this happen again... ? early '20s?... Blood can u confirm? b:kiss

    Also can we have a moment of silence for all those beautiful oldies:

    Molovo
    Kaida_Hoshi
    Kiaxn <33333
    YellowLight
    Mininote
    Valentine
    Claciusvile
    Icezicle
    Authentic
    Mizandry
    and of course Mangos stupid little cleric "why do TT when you can pay people to do it for you like servants"
  • Bloodmystlc - Archosaur
    Bloodmystlc - Archosaur Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »
    Dose of real tea for you: having a faction with only 10 TWers ain't gonna get you anywhere, period, when your only TW options are fighting factions that show 70+. Like it or not, you need some members.

    Yes, the ones that stay are the "supportive ones" and that's great. But when you and your 9 "supportive ones" are stuck fighting 70 people every week? That's not so great. Having fun requires being competitive, and that requires enough people to not get massacred 5 seconds after you respawn.

    Also, throwing the "nem/defiance/rogue baby" card out when almost everyone talking in this thread has been around for at least 2-3 years is kind of absurd.

    Know your history - 7 teletubbies successfully defended about 50-70 before. Now, I am not advocating THAT nonsense, but it did happen . . . .

    Some of the best evidence of that is buried in these archives, lost to history, but I was able to dig this up as some proof:
    Super_Heals - Archosaur wrote: »
    dude...TELETUBIE was made for us to TW like 10 v 50 for fun PVP...dont think you know that right? we were fine before jas gave lead to niss (jas gave lead to niss cause of the bidding) and she invited the whole server....and yeah i actually ditched TELETUBIE that time cause i got pissed with niss doing that by the time we agreed the faction would have just 15 ppl MAXIMUM but she just went on and invited the whole server.I was leading it just fine for the short while that it was still standing up for the purpose we made it b:cute and btw i dont think the whole answer of yours has to do with the fact of the co-founder...am i right?

    wtb aeonchild's post about r9 gear merely "enhancing" their pvp skills . . . . .
  • __Sami__ - Archosaur
    __Sami__ - Archosaur Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Barbski - Archosaur wrote: »
    I don't mean to be a d.ick but I'll try and use simpler English so you don't misunderstand me. I was posing a theoretical question. I realize that right now it would take a lot more players to turn the tide as you put it. The fact is, though, that in the not-so-distant past, that did happen, when So Hot joined Defiance, and TW's immediately went from 2 and a half hours to 20 minutes, that's why I used those specific players names as an example. The problem is anytime someone brings that up, they're immediately accused for starting "drama" (dat word) by those who are too emotionally attached to be able to look at what transpired with some objectivity. If you want loyalty, you have to have competition happening more frequently so people are given a reason to stay. You won't have competition if the server repeats its mistakes from the past. It's literally as simple as that.




    That's cool, I'm not pretending to know what's happening now because I haven't been active in forever, but you are dead wrong in thinking that what I always wanted was for nemesis to disband. What I always wanted was for the top faction to stop pushing their advantage when they were already ahead by a mile, or stalling TW's for kills or to hit that 1-2 hour mark, just so they can sell what happened as better than what it really was, because that is how you wind up confusing players into making terrible decisions about which faction they should join. Case in point: dominant faction X is constantly outside of faction Y's base, but the TW doesn't end for an hour because faction X still wanted their kills, or to try and be cute with their catas. Faction X and faction Y both pretend they love each other in world chat and thank one another for the "AMAZINGGGG TW" that just happened. People see that, but if given a choice, choose to join faction X because they were the winners. What you created: huge phucking imbalance all because nobody wants to admit it when they are stronger. That is where blood and I have come in and called things as they really were for the past 4 years, and it's gotten a lot of people to hate us, but it's alright, we know you want us on that wall, you need us on that wall (movie reference) ;P

    I should of been more clear, I didnt say you wanted Nemesis to disband but with it disbanding there was enough players to kinda balance Rogue and Defiance. So Hot ended in Defiance mostly but as it went to 20min rolls, people got bored and left, balancing TWs again. Its more or less a system as its hard to create loyalty to faction with the movements of players we got going.

    So making theoretical point what happens when Defiance gains more OPs is pretty much irrelevant - People will just get bored and leave. This is problematic for competition as Defiance has pool from which to pull some key players when needed but as far competitive individual TWs go its pretty much spot on, discounting the next few TWs after Rogues strength changes one way or the other.
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  • Barbski - Archosaur
    Barbski - Archosaur Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »
    Dose of real tea for you: having a faction with only 10 TWers ain't gonna get you anywhere, period, when your only TW options are fighting factions that show 70+. Like it or not, you need some members.

    Yes, the ones that stay are the "supportive ones" and that's great. But when you and your 9 "supportive ones" are stuck fighting 70 people every week? That's not so great. Having fun requires being competitive, and that requires enough people to not get massacred 5 seconds after you respawn.

    Or, and I'm taking a wild guess with this one, maybe leading isn't for you. If you have a worthy idea and can still only pull 9 people, I've got some bad news for you.


    Jarkhen - Archosaur wrote: »
    Also, throwing the "nem/defiance/rogue baby" card out when almost everyone talking in this thread has been around for at least 2-3 years is kind of absurd.

    People have been around? Alright, fantastic accomplishment. Everybody dies but not everybody lives. #YoloSwag420NoScoped.

    __Sami__ - Archosaur wrote: »
    I should of been more clear, I didnt say you wanted Nemesis to disband but with it disbanding there was enough players to kinda balance Rogue and Defiance. So Hot ended in Defiance mostly but as it went to 20min rolls, people got bored and left, balancing TWs again. Its more or less a system as its hard to create loyalty to faction with the movements of players we got going.

    Right, it is a problem when a lot of players move, but it's an even bigger problem when factions accept them.
    Proski -circa summer '13 wrote:
    Embrace a real challenge, don't sell out to other +12s and then try to give some sorry *** excuse as to why you are where you are, but more importantly, why you aren't doing what you know deep down you wish you could be doing, if only you had the balls to last for more than a week as a true underdog before dropping your standards to quickly scoop up the latest fully jaded seeker applying to your faction.

    It's hard to create loyalty because when push comes to shove none of these factions have standards. Who said defiance or rogue had to take So Hot?

    __Sami__ - Archosaur wrote: »
    So making theoretical point what happens when Defiance gains more OPs is pretty much irrelevant - People will just get bored and leave. This is problematic for competition as Defiance has pool from which to pull some key players when needed but as far competitive individual TWs go its pretty much spot on, discounting the next few TWs after Rogues strength changes one way or the other.

    Making a theoretical point about what happens when a faction who was in a good fight with another faction all of a sudden recruits 10 ops and swings the balance in their favor, plummeting TW's between the two factions into a drought for 4-5 weeks before it swings back the other way is as relevant to this discussion as anything else. If you want loyalty you need prolonged competition so there is a worthy cause, a purpose for the members. If you want prolonged competition you need factions with mentally tough people who stick to standards and don't over-recruit just as things start to get good. If Rogue and Defiance are as close as you say, then there is no need to have talked about missing the rivalry from the old days, because it will happen again. But ah, will the competition last long enough is the question. And if it doesn't, will any of you take a step back and assess what happened without blaming Rogue for not being good enough. I doubt it.

    Sageski - Mount Olympus wrote:
    Those who value the TW itself over winning have always been a minority on Archosaur. Yet it was precisely those few, willing and courageous, who died planting the seeds of eternity, their memory lives on in the hearts and minds of all who bore witness to their legendary. In the name of the father, the son, and the broly spirit..
  • __Sami__ - Archosaur
    __Sami__ - Archosaur Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    You have absolutely no consistency in what you want. You find it problematic factions accept "everybody" yet its precisely that quality in factions along with players who arent interested in rolls, which keeps TWs competitive on archo atm. I would also love you to name 10 OP players who arent already in Rogue/Defiance, well 8 now, I accept Kat & Sid. Though former is already in Defiance.

    Just because there is people who arent in one doesnt mean anybody can pull them from their faction (Darkness_/Pandora core for example). Nor does it mean because somebody wants to join they are accepted, think D has rejected 3 highly refined and least in one case sharded R9T3s during last month. During "normal times" that number alone would be decent amount of such players applying to faction in such a short time. I dont know bout Rogues recruiting policy but as far as Defiance goes, they do have their standards and people whom they wont accept into faction, no matter the gear.

    As for your Elusive dragging into thread, while it was a great faction and there was a lot of good things, large part of even being able to form such a faction to bring people together was Narla and later Nemesis. There was something to work on, goal to achieve, somebody to unite against. Forgetting such factor and acting like it was all some internal mojo, which got it all together really isnt true. In the end Zulusive fell apart when Nemesis pulled themselves together and managed to beat Zulusive once? Backbone coming from you in a way you are doing it is plain amusing, you really didnt do any better yourself.

    Right now Rogue is doing what you managed to do, pull people together against the top dog. And mind you its far more difficult task for Rogue for few reasons. You had no map reset to deal with. Nemesis had people like Banana, Buttletter, Geo as leader whom caused lot of hate towards Nemesis trough their actions. There is nobody in Defiance who is even remotely on their tier of a jackass to cause that kind of hate. Oh, never forget building on foundation of Narla & Impulse rivalry.

    Ever since last season started, Defiance and Rogue have been competing, each getting their rolls against the other. There been more and less competitive periods of time and the lack of rivalry is interesting.The time spent on "Rogue vs Defiance rivalry to form" is longer than Impulse existed I believe and people still remiss Narla vs Impulse rivalry. Competition alone isnt enough for rivalry.
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  • Barbski - Archosaur
    Barbski - Archosaur Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    __Sami__ - Archosaur wrote: »
    You have absolutely no consistency in what you want. You find it problematic factions accept "everybody" yet its precisely that quality in factions along with players who arent interested in rolls, which keeps TWs competitive on archo atm. I would also love you to name 10 OP players who arent already in Rogue/Defiance, well 8 now, I accept Kat & Sid. Though former is already in Defiance.

    Just because there is people who arent in one doesnt mean anybody can pull them from their faction (Darkness_/Pandora core for example). Nor does it mean because somebody wants to join they are accepted, think D has rejected 3 highly refined and least in one case sharded R9T3s during last month. During "normal times" that number alone would be decent amount of such players applying to faction in such a short time. I dont know bout Rogues recruiting policy but as far as Defiance goes, they do have their standards and people whom they wont accept into faction, no matter the gear.

    As for your Elusive dragging into thread, while it was a great faction and there was a lot of good things, large part of even being able to form such a faction to bring people together was Narla and later Nemesis. There was something to work on, goal to achieve, somebody to unite against. Forgetting such factor and acting like it was all some internal mojo, which got it all together really isnt true. In the end Zulusive fell apart when Nemesis pulled themselves together and managed to beat Zulusive once? Backbone coming from you in a way you are doing it is plain amusing, you really didnt do any better yourself.

    Right now Rogue is doing what you managed to do, pull people together against the top dog. And mind you its far more difficult task for Rogue for few reasons. You had no map reset to deal with. Nemesis had people like Banana, Buttletter, Geo as leader whom caused lot of hate towards Nemesis trough their actions. There is nobody in Defiance who is even remotely on their tier of a jackass to cause that kind of hate. Oh, never forget building on foundation of Narla & Impulse rivalry.

    Ever since last season started, Defiance and Rogue have been competing, each getting their rolls against the other. There been more and less competitive periods of time and the lack of rivalry is interesting.The time spent on "Rogue vs Defiance rivalry to form" is longer than Impulse existed I believe and people still remiss Narla vs Impulse rivalry. Competition alone isnt enough for rivalry.

    Who brought WnbTank to this thread?
  • Viktorian - Archosaur
    Viktorian - Archosaur Posts: 746 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    wat it SOUNDS like yall are saying is u enjoyed factions that twd more then tw factions. and yes to those ppl sneering at me there is a difference.
    tw faction-faction that solely exists for tw. everything is built around winning tws.
    faction that tws- a faction built around the players and growth. tw is only a small part of wat they do
    defiance rogue no matter how much yall wanna claim that they help ppl and other stuff, at the end of the day theyre a tw faction. theres nothing wrong with it but tw factions kill the game. they take the fun out of it. theyre solely about winning. those rivalrys, that competition? it cant exist with just tw factions. idk maybe factions that tw cant exist anymore. they prob all died out with the inclusion of nw and the rep sales.
    something ive noticed about archo past tw seasons. we had the LEAST number of lands belonging to one tw faction. other servers winners had 17-24. we had 11. if yall wanna be like the other servers with one dominate faction go ahead. cuz thats wat were heading to, no thats where we ARE. one faction dominating. and u cant even deny it saying rogue is making a comeback, the tws are getting longer etc etc. look at the map. defiance still owns effectively half the map and rogue is almost gone. im not saying go join rogue make defiance lose a few lands. but yall need to make up ur minds about wether yall want easy victories or fun tws and THEN DO IT.
    Kat u said ur bored and want fun tws. THEN WHY THE HELL DID U GO INTO DEFIANCE???? u coulda gone into pandora darkness immunity or renegade. cuz in my experience, and yes to all those sneering i do have experience with both, the smaller ones are infinitely more fun then the massive 80v80s where life expectancy is ~15mins depending.
    Sami wth are u defending? noones attacking u noones attacking ur point of view. theyre showing u theirs and wat they think about it. just chill. also it went down to 15 min rolls and stayed that way for about a month.
    you ppl are completely maddening. you say one thing then do the EXACT OPPOSITE
    and for the ppl in defiance and rogue.
    when was the last time yall thought about the newer players? when was the last time narla boss hour happened? many of the things that made the server great(such as those boss hours) are gone and replaced with wat? ppl are PAYING to get help with their cultis. WTH. ppl helped u with your cultis but yall cant extend that to other ppl? maybe instead of ppl choosing new factions and breaking down all the rrr9s and high gears into smaller factions we just need ppl who actually care enough to help others.
    Servers: Archosaur(PvE US West) and Harshlands (PvP US East)
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  • XCableX - Archosaur
    XCableX - Archosaur Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Bloodmystlc - Archosaur wrote: »
    The wizard filming the damn videos was lvl 80. The people he's fighting include people in all g13 nirvana. So (1) his gear didn't stop him from contributing, and (2) his gear and level didn't keep him out of the faction. Think about THAT the next time you ask someone to link weapon for an invite to a fkn bh squad, all you gear snobs.

    I don't care if you're a level 1 MasterBlader walking into this so called peaceful land/kingdom of Archosaur. I'm gonna be that snobby little snob to ask for weapon link because my +12 weapon isn't enough to kill the boss. b:cry

    But don't worry sir, I will still accept you if you ever pm me when I world chat, I will exclude you, good ol' man. b:victory
    AgentPotato - Archosaur wrote: »
    When did all this happen again... ? early '20s?... Blood can u confirm? b:kiss

    Also can we have a moment of silence for all those beautiful oldies:

    Molovo
    Kaida_Hoshi
    Kiaxn <33333
    YellowLight
    Mininote
    Valentine
    Claciusvile
    Icezicle
    Authentic
    Mizandry
    and of course Mangos stupid little cleric "why do TT when you can pay people to do it for you like servants"

    why don't you recognize me... I took you to FC. I tried helping you to level 100 when I was that weak little level 90 bm who refused to hit level 100 lol.

    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    Kat u said ur bored and want fun tws. THEN WHY THE HELL DID U GO INTO DEFIANCE???? u coulda gone into pandora darkness immunity or renegade. cuz in my experience, and yes to all those sneering i do have experience with both, the smaller ones are infinitely more fun then the massive 80v80s where life expectancy is ~15mins depending.

    Nah, in my opinion the bigger ones are more fun. There's nothing more interesting when you live in a massive lag fest with 5-10 people on you. Chances are, they're also lagging with you. But that's the role of a blademaster, to die to live. such tears of joy.
    youtube.com/xArsonist18 : XCableX's TW videos

    pwcalc.com/56b00d33a8c63c7d : Current BM Build for TW
  • __Sami__ - Archosaur
    __Sami__ - Archosaur Posts: 220 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    Kat u said ur bored and want fun tws. THEN WHY THE HELL DID U GO INTO DEFIANCE???? u coulda gone into pandora darkness immunity or renegade. cuz in my experience, and yes to all those sneering i do have experience with both, the smaller ones are infinitely more fun then the massive 80v80s where life expectancy is ~15mins depending.

    And do what, set up BoA and 1shot whatever faction they are fighting? Pretty much all she would get to do and I doubt thats her idea of fun TW.
    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    Sami wth are u defending? noones attacking u noones attacking ur point of view. theyre showing u theirs and wat they think about it. just chill.

    You clearly havent seen our discussion in the past. But no, Im not mad.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1005912

    Old troll thread, only 5 pages, meaning it really didnt get out hand like those 20+ pages ones.
    __Sami__ - Archer - 105/104/102 - mypers.pw/1.8/#135691 - Active
    HideYoHubby - Assassin - 105/101/101 - Inactive
    WnbTank - Barbarian - 103/101/101 - Catshop
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I'm seriously laughing at this thread now b:laugh

    - People who no longer play think they have a handle on the current situation of the server and its' TWs better than many players who have first hand experience inside of them

    - Map resets, which make any dominant faction TW boring as hell because chances are very slim they'll be beside each other. Hence, hopping around, creating no loyalty, etc.

    - One powerhouse faction =/= two powerhouse factions with a handful of factors wanting to TW without the hassle of trying to stir something up.

    - Loyal factors already in D/Rogue that won't leave after reset to go to smaller factions for fun TW. Loyal factors in other non-TW factions, or smaller TW factions that eventually wind up in a deadend toward the end of the season, barring lucky circumstances such as factions disbanding or what-have-you. Nothing against any of these three points, many ARE loyal, want to play with their friends, and/or don't prioritize TW above that.

    Bloodmystlc - Archosaur wrote: »
    Know your history - 7 teletubbies successfully defended about 50-70 before. Now, I am not advocating THAT nonsense, but it did happen . . . .

    Some of the best evidence of that is buried in these archives, lost to history, but I was able to dig this up as some proof:



    wtb aeonchild's post about r9 gear merely "enhancing" their pvp skills . . . . .


    Wasn't that even prior to 2nd and 3rd cast? Pretty sure it was. At any rate, I was there both in:

    A: this early Tubbies era you're talking about, and
    B: Inside Jarkhens' faction, Sonata


    A: Super geared ~10 people vs 50+, only a very small handful having gear beyond r9 with small refines.

    B: He tried week after week for recruits, but eventually, as you can now see on the map, they're landlocked. He also attacked Pandora weekly, knowing it was a guaranteed loss. It wasn't as if he just sat there idle hoping people would flock to him, either. (Again, refer to my first statement of this post about having to actually, you know, be active and play to know the pitiful situation of the server, or at least be inside these factions and know what's going down)


    So, you're left with three options, if you want fun TW and really couldn't care less about any of the other features this game has to offer:

    1) Go inactive the first half of the season unless the top two factions get lucky in bidding placement.
    2) Go inactive the second half of the season inside of a smaller faction.
    3) Create a Supermen, create a Sonata, and when that deadend inevitably pops up, hop around to wherever the fun is.

    Another point to make, while the server contains a very small amount of people who want fun TW, and will do many things to get it, such as hopping around to factions depending on landlocks or whatnot, it lacks even more leaders. In the activity sense, in the babysitting sense, and in the TW sense.

    EDIT: forgot a fourth option. Create tons of alts -cough- that level 1 Blood guy -cough- and pick your flavor of the week.

    tl;dr = times have changed. Map reset sucks. Cba.
  • OIdManMagic - Archosaur
    OIdManMagic - Archosaur Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    ppl are PAYING to get help with their cultis. WTH. ppl helped u with your cultis but yall cant extend that to other ppl?

    That won't work - this weekend I world chat for 5m to squad for help with culti. Twice. Each time? Only one reply.

    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    maybe instead of ppl choosing new factions and breaking down all the rrr9s and high gears into smaller factions we just need ppl who actually care enough to help others.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MKLGTDH7io8
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    OIdManMagic - Archosaur wrote: »
    That won't work - this weekend I world chat for 5m to squad for help with culti. Twice. Each time? Only one reply.

    I told you I'd do it for you for free b:surrender

    But yeah, in 2010, I still had to pay people to help o_O that hasn't changed in the least. Narla boss hour? Sure, Jewelscalen isn't a bother. I had to pay clerics 500k per miniboss inside of OHT or whatever (back then, that was over 1 gold via AH for 5 minutes of IH spam)
  • OIdManMagic - Archosaur
    OIdManMagic - Archosaur Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Metalogue - Archosaur wrote: »
    I told you I'd do it for you for free b:surrender

    That's just because you like my old man lovin', pervb:lipcurl
  • OIdManMagic - Archosaur
    OIdManMagic - Archosaur Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Metalogue - Archosaur wrote: »
    EDIT: forgot a fourth option. Create tons of alts -cough- that level 1 Blood guy -cough- and pick your flavor of the week.

    Joining losing factions and turning them into winners since 1873 . . . .

    The options are as I've indicated. 30 well geared "friends" to stay and play together win, lose or draw. No new recruits. Closed faction. Period.

    Or move by yourself to where the fun is and hope you get there far enough ahead of everyone else. Because as soon as the zombie masses truly in search of a flavor of the month show up, da party is over . . . .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1x28jaeyX2s
  • Kattanyia - Archosaur
    Kattanyia - Archosaur Posts: 226 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    Kat u said ur bored and want fun tws. THEN WHY THE HELL DID U GO INTO DEFIANCE???? u coulda gone into pandora darkness immunity or renegade.

    For the record and for your information...I have 3 toons to TW on. I placed each one in a faction I thought would present the most fun.

    One is still in your faction, Supermen. One is in BD and yes, my strongest I put in Defiance with old friends.

    Before you start yelling at someone get your facts straight please :)
  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Kattanyia - Archosaur wrote: »
    For the record and for your information...I have 3 toons to TW on. I placed each one in a faction I thought would present the most fun.

    One is still in your faction, Supermen. One is in BD and yes, my strongest I put in Defiance with old friends.

    Before you start yelling at someone get your facts straight please :)


    Cut him some slack. Viktarian is doing many things to spice up our server. Look at these threads Vik has contributed.

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1646891
    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1648951

    Viktorian - Archosaur wrote: »
    theres nothing wrong with it but tw factions kill the game.
  • XCableX - Archosaur
    XCableX - Archosaur Posts: 1,338 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    He can't replace the legendary StudmuffinIX.
    youtube.com/xArsonist18 : XCableX's TW videos

    pwcalc.com/56b00d33a8c63c7d : Current BM Build for TW
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Some food for thought, it'll probably just spark more drama but *shrug* I have no reason to care anymore :D.

    I... stopped playing.
    Because honestly PWI is boring, the same people doing the same thing over and over and over and over...
    I got tired of fighting the same people, tired of farming, tired of attempting to reach that "true endgame +12 NW geared Jaded standard."
    Because honestly what's the point? So you can get so OP geared that everyone on the server except that 1% of other super op geared people are a one shot?
    The only reason I played for so long was because I was committed to becoming the best of my class. And you know what? even that desire got old and stale, because nothing interesting EVER happens. The same people are always doing the same thing, no-one new ever comes along, it's always the same boring rivalries, the same old trolls, the SAME OF THE SAME.
    And that applies to TW, how bored must you all be of fighting the same factions? Going against the same people, the same tactics?

    I turned up to a TW last weekend, the first one I have showed in almost 3 months. And I was killed... by someone I didn't know, And I was shocked because well as I said above... no-one new ever comes along ._.
    I found out later that it was just Rubber having changed his name >.>.
    And I came to the realization that apart from my friends on PWI I have no reason to play anymore. No motivation, no goal. nothing.

    Maybe you should all ask yourself why you still play, why you feel this need to 'win' when you're only ever beating the same people over and over. Doesn't it get boring? What exactly are you all still fighting for?
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  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »
    I turned up to a TW last weekend, the first one I have showed in almost 3 months. And I was killed... by someone I didn't know, And I was shocked because well as I said above... no-one new ever comes along ._.
    I found out later that it was just Rubber having changed his name >.>.
    And I came to the realization that apart from my friends on PWI I have no reason to play anymore. No motivation, no goal. nothing.

    Maybe you should all ask yourself why you still play, why you feel this need to 'win' when you're only ever beating the same people over and over. Doesn't it get boring? What exactly are you all still fighting for?


    Yup, gets boring, or rather, IS boring. Hence the nostalgic reminiscence of the past rivalries that we'll probably never see again. b:cry
  • Zheii - Archosaur
    Zheii - Archosaur Posts: 2,732 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Metalogue - Archosaur wrote: »
    Yup, gets boring, or rather, IS boring. Hence the nostalgic reminiscence of the past rivalries that we'll probably never see again. b:cry

    Then why do you still play Met?
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  • Metalogue - Archosaur
    Metalogue - Archosaur Posts: 320 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    Zheii - Archosaur wrote: »


    Then why do you still play Met?

    You must not be joking when you said you've been inactive, lol. I honestly don't. Inactive throughout the week, save for chatting with a few friends here and there, and then TW.

    EDIT: But when I did play, it was for fun and friends, not to be the best or w/e hahahah

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