AH Gold

Sofreak_Bro - Dreamweaver · December 2013

Here's a thought and something a lot of us have been talking about for months now ... no one and it has to be NO ONE buys gold in the AH for more then 20k each. We have the power guys to take bake the cost of playing the game and keep it alive. We are loosing so many players because they simply can not afford to play any longer.

Take control of your game, we all have the power to do it. Example: if someone whats to sell a book for 90mil tell them to keep it. Lets be honest no skill in this game is really worth 90 mil anyways. If someone whats to charge a fee for a free instance then get some people together and make a squad, run it for free.

I was in AEU and someone get a skill book, they did a pc in squad. Someone else told them it's worth about a mill. The person with the book actually got mad said he's wont sell a book for less then 5mil. b:sad It's a sad day when someone feels like that but my thought was then keep it if you don't want to sell it, it's their loss not ours.

This is a MMO after all lets all stop being lazy, have some fun and work together.

b:surrender

Toliman - Raging Tide · December 2013

Sofreak_Bro - Dreamweaver wrote: »

...
Take control of your game, we all have the power to do it. Example: if someone whats to sell a book for 90mil tell them to keep it. Lets be honest no skill in this game is really worth 90 mil anyways. ...

1 Random skill book can be got for 50 Mystery page, each of them cost 9 Tokens of Luck, each Token of Luck cost (when I last so it) 25k-28k coins.

50*9*25,000= 11,250,000

But to get 1 rare book with 5% chance I need:
11,250,000 * 100/5=225,000,000 (225 millions) coins (in average: more or less per 20 tries)

__Sami__ - Archosaur · December 2013

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

1 Random skill book can be got for 50 Mystery page, each of them cost 9 Tokens of Luck, each Token of Luck cost (when I last so it) 25k-28k coins.

50*9*25,000= 11,250,000

But to get 1 rare book with 5% chance I need:
11,250,000 * 100/5=225,000,000 millions coins (in average: more or less per 20 tries)

He actually was right in a way, no book will pay itself back if you buy it for 90m now that vana is gone, back in days demon HF would of paid itself back in decent amount of time.

Mayfly - Dreamweaver · December 2013

1. As far as I know, gold in AH gold market has never been as low as 20k. It was 100k-ish when I started, but the addition of chests of coins and perfect hammers shortly after guaranteed that it would never go below 200k again. The addition of anniversary packs and the Perfect Tokens of Best Luck (tradeable 2 for 1 for a 10 Million Big Note) and Perfect Tokens of Luck (tradeable 10 for 1 for wedding wine, which can be traded for something at the Eldest Matchmaker NPC-able for 99999 coins) raised that floor considerably.

2. The majority of players don't read the forums, so any forum-organized boycott of anything isn't going to work.

3. A large portion of the gold in the market is bought by merchants, and as long as they can make a profit they aren't going to join a boycott.

4. There's lots of ways to make lots of coins, especially at 100+ (BH1 rewards just as a starter), and not enough viable coin sinks to soak up that coin and dampen inflation.

y4kuzi · December 2013

Toliman - Raging Tide wrote: »

1 Random skill book can be got for 50 Mystery page, each of them cost 9 Tokens of Luck, each Token of Luck cost (when I last so it) 25k-28k coins.

50*9*25,000= 11,250,000

But to get 1 rare book with 5% chance I need:
11,250,000 * 100/5=225,000,000 millions coins (in average: more or less per 20 tries)

With lower Gold prices, Token prices will also drop, have you thought about that?

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · December 2013

Mayfly - Dreamweaver wrote: »

3. A large portion of the gold in the market is bought by merchants, and as long as they can make a profit they aren't going to join a boycott.

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Toliman - Raging Tide · December 2013

y4kuzi wrote: »

With lower Gold prices, Token prices will also drop, have you thought about that?

Gold prices are dependent from amount of proposed gold and quantity gold necessary to potential buyers.

They are (gold prices) every next day more than in previous with a little deviation up or down.

I remember time, when price of gold was ten times less, than now ... almost.

Even if we will take minimum possible price of Token of Luck like 10,000, than price of the rare skill will be:

50*9*10,000 * 100/5=90,000,000 coins (in average: more or less per 20 tries)
90 millions coins

Edit:
Minimum possible price of Perfect Token of Luck is equal to 10,000 according:

foruname wrote: »

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First, you can exchange tokens for Wine at the PWI boutique agent (there is one near West Archosaur Banker).

You can then use these Wine to exchange for Triumph Money at Eldest Matchmaker (located at 522,655). You can then NPC those Triumph money and get 10k ea for your tokens.
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y4kuzi · December 2013

Tokens come from packs, packs come from Gold.
Lower Gold prices = cheaper packs = cheaper tokens.

magyarwarlord · December 2013

I agree lower the gold prices. IM DOWN

Virtualoid - Dreamweaver · December 2013

You don't keep the game alive with buying cheap gold, ijs.

Also, gold price will not lower just because off that. As long as there are easy ways to get millions of coins, like bh100 or Jones, there will be a lot of people with lots of money. Too many people wanting to buy gold.

Imaine that gold is cheap. Few people buys it. What about the rest who also wanted gold?

Since it's cheap, who would want to trade it for coins? Better just buy packs or wathever you need.

So no gold selling or just a small amount. No gold for those who don't cash.

Who loses at the end?

As long as there is people willing to pay that amount of coins, gold will have that price. Also, as long as there is people willing to sell gold for that, there will be gold being sold. And current prices are the point at where those two get a balance.

There is a good sale this week? More demand and then gold prices get up. No good sale? Gold price drops.

._.

Can't understand it? Then it can't be helped, sorry for you.

Not like you can't absolutely not play without buying lots of gold. Getting r9rr +10-12 with decent gems isn't easy. Shouldn't be. But there are cheaper options for that.

Beleni - Dreamweaver · December 2013

no

just no

did i say no?

Leave it to the free market to define a Equilibrium price. If the player base was to intervene in anyway, should it be a price ceiling or cap, there will be a substantial area of net loss in the supply and demand.

Who would charge gold and put it into the game when they only get 20k coins from it?

This would KILL the game and the free market for gold.

could also force PWI's hand and turn it into a monthly pay to play game.

Brillance - Raging Tide · December 2013

I see all these players saying you can make millions from BH rewards. And it is true, you can.
In the 3 years I spent religously doing BHs I have received 2 cards for 5 Million, and maybe 4 for 1 million.

People say that is my 'luck'. If this is the OPs 'luck' too, forget about doing BHs for the millions of coin you will receive. b:chuckle

On packs, the less people playing, the less people buying packs, and the less tokens available. The packs Ive recently priced are going for between 850K - 1.5M each on the CatShop Market, which is hardly worth anyones time buying, unless you are sure you are a 'lucky' player, and you are buying from a 'lucky' CatShop. Demand = short, Supply = shorter.

Less people playing, also means less people buying game cards. Those that still do are going to be looking for maximum profit, especially if their budget only allows for $10 & $20 cards to begin with. Again, Supply and Demand.

People wanting what they want when they want it, and have the capacity to buy hundreds of dollars worth of cards at once will sell them cheaper, but it wont be so much cheaper as to support 20K coin per dollar. Most could do better simply grinding mobs for coin. b:chuckle

The only times I have seen gold prices able to be lowered is when there is a healthy population on a server, but even then, 20K is unacheiveable.

My husband started playing PW a couple years before I did and the cheapest he remembers gold being was 300K each. In contrast the cheapest I remember in my time was 1.2 Million each.

You are basicly asking people who expect the most from their large investments to be charitable, and accept way less...

...maybe this game should have been named 'Profit World'.

*ghost is lucky in love, and unlucky in PW*

OFate - Heavens Tear · December 2013

When we take time to enter an instance, wine it, then beat the mobs and bosses down for a measly book - I don't want to sell it for almost nothing.

The idea is for it to give me a profit, so I can recover what was spent to enter the instance, to make the gears to be able to solo the same instance, to recover what I spent on potions and charms.

I do agree some prices are inflated but if there are no buyers, it will come down.

Brett - Morai · December 2013

Beleni - Dreamweaver wrote: »

no

just no

did i say no?

Leave it to the free market to define a Equilibrium price. If the player base was to intervene in anyway, should it be a price ceiling or cap, there will be a substantial area of net loss in the supply and demand.

Who would charge gold and put it into the game when they only get 20k coins from it?

This would KILL the game and the free market for gold.

could also force PWI's hand and turn it into a monthly pay to play game.

I personally would pay a subscription for the game if cash shop gear didn't exist and everyone had to farm for their gear, rather than just cash shopping it all, farting on their keyboard and killing all in NW

ToyMaker_NOT - Raging Tide · December 2013

Virtualoid - Dreamweaver wrote: »

You don't keep the game alive with buying cheap gold, ijs.

Also, gold price will not lower just because off that. As long as there are easy ways to get millions of coins, like bh100 or Jones, there will be a lot of people with lots of money. Too many people wanting to buy gold.

FINALLY, someone who paid attention in Economics. I like how people like to spout "its all about supply and demand" but dismiss the billions in free coin each day entering each server just from Jolly Jones. In about 15 minutes a day, I claim my weekly PWI welfare check of 10 million coins from one account. BILLIONS EACH DAY!!! When you devaluate your currency (a.k.a. coins) you increase the demand for commodities (a.k.a. gold) Inflation101.

Can the inflation be slowed or reversed? In my opinion, no. I think high gold prices encourage players to buy Zen; and, that is EXACTLY what PWE wants.

Brillance - Raging Tide · December 2013

Then you are truely a god, Toy Maker_Not.

My 3 level 45 - 47 toons spend hours flying around and waiting for respawns for the overwhelming win-fall of 223K total combined. Hardly millions in 15 minutes. b:surrender (That's also 21 of the most mind-numbing quests ever created by man.)

That guys toons will have to do some quick leveling to the 75 range, and then perform some amazing magic tricks to accomplish what you claim you accomplish daily.

b:victory

Eshaya - Morai · December 2013

ToyMaker_NOT - Raging Tide wrote: »

FINALLY, someone who paid attention in Economics. I like how people like to spout "its all about supply and demand" but dismiss the billions in free coin each day entering each server just from Jolly Jones. In about 15 minutes a day, I claim my weekly PWI welfare check of 10 million coins from one account. BILLIONS EACH DAY!!! When you devaluate your currency (a.k.a. coins) you increase the demand for commodities (a.k.a. gold) Inflation101.

Can the inflation be slowed or reversed? In my opinion, no. I think high gold prices encourage players to buy Zen; and, that is EXACTLY what PWE wants.

What you say is not wrong. However, you should keep in mind that currency devaluation does not necessarily cause rising prices if the supply with commodities increases at the same time. Also, currency fluctuations are not the only thing that can influence demand. Take raputre crystals for example, the price has dropped considerably because the supply was increased.

That said, to offset the effect of inflation on the gold price, you would have to increase the supply with gold by either giving more gold for the same amount of zen, or cut boutique prices, and it is understandable that PWE doesn't want to do that all the time.

Anyway, trying to set a specific gold price is not a good solution. Of course you do not want the game to become unplayable due to cash-shop currency becoming unaffordable. However, should you really face that situation, it is much more sensitive to decrease the demand for cash-shop based items by making them more easily available in-game. PWE has done so in the past by adding stuff to the event boutique, for example. It might not be enough, but that's debatable.

Fae_Harpy - Archosaur · December 2013

20k is not going to happen. I sell quite a bit a gold and can say I would never sell it for that cheap, far better to just buy boutique items for myself. I can make 20k just picking up the drops from my Moria dailies (and that is just on one toon).

When it comes to spending money on this game I look at what enjoyment I can get from it. Some people go out to the movies or a club for entertainment and will spend money on that. PW is my entertainment so I want to get the most out of the money I spend. Just like a person wouldn't spend $100 to go to a really bad concert, I'm not going to sell 100 gold unless I can get something really fun/good with it. And if gold is selling for 20k (or some other low price), my 100 gold is not going to get me anything worthwhile, better to save my money or spend it elsewhere.

I think people forget that zen is purchased with real money. Unless you are a multimillion with a butt load of money you can afford to throw away, no sane person would sell gold for that price. You also have to take in to account the fact that the real life economy is ****. In recent years many people have lost their jobs, taken pay cuts while the price of items have gone up greatly. People have less money they can afford to spend on a thing like PW, which means less gold is available for purchase. I know everyone has the idea that only teenage kids play this game, but they are not the ones purchasing the majority of the zen, it's the adults that play. Depending on what their real life financial situation is that will effect the price of gold greatly. And even the few kids who may be buying gold, that money is coming from their parents and if mommy or daddy get laid off, Jr. is not buying zen.

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