Why are barbs so weak?

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

how can we purge more than a veno ?
Cleansweep: 20% chance, 30 sec cooldown.....

Dont know much about venos, but i thought they could do better than that

Im thinking they are saying that barbs can handle the aftermath of a purge better than other chars. I could easily be wrong though, lol.

But the word 'graped' gave me that impression.

*ghost drifts along* b:bye

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

how can we purge more than a veno ?
Cleansweep: 20% chance, 30 sec cooldown.....

Dont know much about venos, but i thought they could do better than that

r8r wep with spirit blackhole + cleansweep.. ask flask_man, that fooker purges me like every 15 seconds, it's ridiculous. It may have been a bit of an exaggeration to say a barb can purge more than a veno due to how pvp actually goes.. but I'd be willing to bet if you had a barb just trying to purge a stationary target that was doing nothing.. it would purge it on average more than once every 25 seconds (faster than a veno). Barbs can also use celestial sword with the purge weapon for extra purge chances as well.

So to be more clear, I think that barbs can both handle purges very well AND are very good at purging others.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

r8r wep with spirit blackhole + cleansweep.. ask flask_man, that fooker purges me like every 15 seconds, it's ridiculous. It may have been a bit of an exaggeration to say a barb can purge more than a veno due to how pvp actually goes.. but I'd be willing to bet if you had a barb just trying to purge a stationary target that was doing nothing.. it would purge it on average more than once every 25 seconds (faster than a veno). Barbs can also use celestial sword with the purge weapon for extra purge chances as well.

So to be more clear, I think that barbs can both handle purges very well AND are very good at purging others.

Thanx for the tip, im gonna remember that for when i feel like getting into PvP b:thanks

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

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brb deleting this post so only the super team of evil power abusing mods will know the secret of super barb purge powers.

b:sin

scruncy wrote: »

yes, barbs are weak. i fully support a 50 def lvl buff b:cute

Tryxxy if you learn to play your 100 def lvl would be enought b:cute

Didn't know it was a secret

BESIDES, I don't hold secrets for people that purge me >:

T3 barbs hit pretty hard against other T3, at least this is what I've noticed on my archer against other T3 barbs.

On my R9rr barb I can usually deal pretty good numbers to even the R9rr+10, but as soon as the person is like R9rr+12 and/or full JoSD it's game over for me, I'll barely tick their charm before they kill me.

Referring to a post on page 1; All classes are weak-- Gear makes them OP.

Smiliess - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isnt the idea of a barb to be main tank in pwi?
Means u got to survive long..correct? yes.
How come in Nation wars i get hit (no mather wich class) like 15k a hit sometimes even 30k
i have full stage 3 set, full mdef gems. 100% sage buffs/skills
Alsono mather wich class i attack, i cant kill them, because i have to be so close to hit them.

i think nation wars (PK)is more def lvl vs att lvl isnt it?
If yes...why doesnt barbs get extra 50 def lvl buff. or able to buff ourselfs in any form.
Barbs weak? yes.

the Hell is wrong with you?! You just called the by far strongest class of this game...weak....well I can give you hundreds of reasons why barbs are superior to any other class!

That is if the player behind the barb knows how to freaking play!

I jist throw in some words...if you don't havr a clue what they mean then I suggest you roll a no-braining sin (:

Solid Shield
STR Genie
Demon BOS
Armageddon
TOP
Cornered Beast
Invoke
Berserkers Wrath
Demon Sunder
Ancestral Rage
and lots more

Barbs with the right setup and equal terms in gear are superior to any other class in this game. Any! Me and some of my friends are never tired to prove that point (:

Hey ~ classes are better at diff things, and killing isn't one of the best things a barb can do.

Why not go with a squad for back up, and play a more supportive role.

If you can guarantee your instance winning that is a lot more points.

If you are solo and get all debuffs and purgeed and ppl have forever to sit there attacking you they will hit you hard!

Make sure your genie is good and work on timing.

Smiliess - Heavens Tear wrote: »

no offence..but ur talking demon barbs, i am sage.
and all missing my point. it seems that many Heavens tear barbs agree, because i know many of them.
and i do know how to play a barb, i play it 5years..i am not a noob lol
but getting hit for 15k+ in NW, is sick, the game is far from balanced.
i hope the new expansion wil give barbs better chance to survive more in pwi.
and yes...every gem in my gear is Mdef, to stand longer against casters, but they stil do 15k+

in TW i can take many hits, in NW i die in 3 hits. fully buffed.
so what i think is, NW needs to be more balanced, barbs aint ranged, we have to be (very very) close to attack.

You dont bring a knife to a gunfight. IJS You'll Lose

All melees are the knife weilders... and casters/archers the gunfighters... I agree it isn't fun... but sadly as that old saying goes if you can't beat them join them. (I really hate saying that, but really if you/ppl like me do not do that... we will go insane trying to change something that will likely never be changed, no MATTER how many people might agree that a class/specific area of the 'pk triangle' needs a 'boost'... hell there are more bms on the forums "QQing" that bms have it bad, but they have unforunately gotten no where with that QQ... they have been met with nothing but resistance. ... but yea that so isn't a discussion for this topic/thread. xD)

I realize and agree this doesn't slove the problem for melees, but meh at least it masks it enough to start enjoying nw. :$

Luckily I'm happy with my demon barb and his killing/tanking capacity b:cute

Joe - Morai wrote: »

There is nothing better then vit gems on Barbs in terms of both hp and def. and for what do you think are protection charms for? -66.67% dmg nearly permanently is amazing.

You might play for 5 years but you surely lack end-game PVP experience especially against caster classes.

Lets say you're running NW. you use your def charms and get hit for like 5k then it's time to either use solid shield or Dew of star protection or w/e and locate the enemy. if your dmg is insufficient then run. It's not that complicated. just use everything there is.

I'm an aps barb with merely 33k hp in tiger and 13k mdef buffed. I not even once fell prey to a single caster. only if they attack in groups. Trust me. It's all about playability. But granted. If one nice Wiz gets you unprepared then you're most likely dead. Any other caster need way more time thus no competition.

i'd rather take josd over vit stones any day b:chuckle

Smiliess - Heavens Tear wrote: »

JOSD or vit stones...cool. (like 60mil a piece)

i thought someone said earlier, Classes are weak gear makes OP
Wel. sorry but if i read correct, gems makes OP
And i get hit fully buffed, plz learn to read. im not talking getting purged.
But i rest my case here, seem only cashoppers with JOSD disagree here.
If i need Def lvl to survive longer, then why did the new classes gain def and att lv as a self buff.

Like i said before: its att level versus defend lvl, gear doesnt mather.
I live longer with my TT90gold set seeker, then my full r9s3 barb.

The old classes were it all begon with are no good, i hope the new expansion wil bring more balance.

What an asinine assumption... I disagree with you that barbs are weak, sure I said it is like bringing a knife to a gunfight, but still barbs have it easiest among the three classes that actually are melee. (Barbs, Sins and Bm's).. (edit) or at least defensive wise they do.

Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Maybe its the difference in servers or something else thats intanigible... but seriously I have NEVER been hit for 15kish by a bm/sin/or even other barbs while I was on my barb in this crappy gear. Granted My defense has went up some since then, but still... they are far from weak imho.

Oh boy that is quite the cash shopping I have done! I must be special... I did ride the short bus to school everyday in high school... I guess I now know why. =D It was so fun riding it too. ^^

Seriously not a good statment on that... I get it is NOT fun being a melee in the age of the caster... living in a caster paradise that is NW... but seriously some classes dont even have oped shields. IJS. *hides*

Smiliess - Heavens Tear wrote: »

JOSD or vit stones...cool. (like 60mil a piece)

i thought someone said earlier, Classes are weak gear makes OP
Wel. sorry but if i read correct, gems makes OP
And i get hit fully buffed, plz learn to read. im not talking getting purged.
But i rest my case here, seem only cashoppers with JOSD disagree here.
If i need Def lvl to survive longer, then why did the new classes gain def and att lv as a self buff.

Like i said before: its att level versus defend lvl, gear doesnt mather.
I live longer with my TT90gold set seeker, then my full r9s3 barb.

The old classes were it all begon with are no good, i hope the new expansion wil bring more balance.

As an APS Barb I'm obviously no cash shopper and tbh: to achieve r9rr full +10 you just need to do a little farming daily and in a few months you got your gears. I see no problem there. ok it might be a little tougher now with 2m+ gold prices and stuff but if you play for 5+ years just like myself you should have had the possibility to farm that stuff.

And obviously there is this mysterious DefLvl-"Buff" for any class. Main reason why any good Barb should have a at least 20 DefLvl r8r weapon. I Even got 2 of them. One for advanced Purge +range and one with 27 def lvls.

Like I said before just give it your all. To The others. While fighting against max geared ppl. Try to survive and PURGE them! Then debuff them and watch as they go down with 10+ non zerk crits each hit (ok got my r9rr axe at +11).

BTW: Not long ago I was Full Immac Cits and dealt with those r9 nubs you guys fear so much. Granted. Most of the r9s of Morai are fail...but you know, it's not all about gear. The biggest portion is being able to play your class to the absolute extend. Purge is the way to win your Battles. Also. don't always compare to guys that are way better geared. They drive Lamborghinis and you...well maybe some nice and smooth family car why do you even bother trying to be faster?

If you are sure you can beat anyone that is at least equally geared then you have achieved anything you can and thats fine (: anything else is just a bonus xD

Smiliess - Heavens Tear wrote: »

i have full r9s3 all+10 wep+12, i have 45k hp all mdef gems and mdef ornaments (even my rings) and i am not aps build.
stil get hit for 15k+ and i dont mean just psy/clerics/wizzards or veno's, i even mean bm/sins/seekers(blurr and i die)

I have a family to suport, i cant spend 10.000$ to get end game. ( i thought i already was with my gear)

Invoke need 2 sparks wich u dont have when u die. and debuff skills is pointles, because u die by then.

so whats the problem if u get hit with 15k+? that is a lucky hit....it happens...for a HA/LA to reproduce that again u have plenty of time to react. for caster...well, there it totally depends on your skill level in playing a barb.

every class can do that dmg with the right combo and luck, 15k is just 30% of your hp so whats the deal? till he lands the next lucky hit alot of stuff can happen.

just a personal point of view, for a barb, saphire gems(icebourne even more foolish), like citrine gems are not considered end game,not even by a long shot, those are cheap alternatives that make you think that. vit stones/josd ftw.

and for a r9s3+10 with no vit stones...i think u can reach a 41-42.5 ish hp not 45 even with meridian completed.

contrary to popular belief you can't ever say you have enough defenses for every hit, even for the physical ones (a diety +12 dags r9s3 with chill can hit u with 15k+ if he gets zerk+crit (with a tangling+something combo), even in tiger form...or idk if he hits spark with condensed thorn on u).

the def lvl buff would be cool BUT, it should come with a sog effect (cant be purified),to help the cata's with the focus fire nowdays, without creating too much rage.