Mystic life on other servers.

On RT...

-how is the mystic population? (quality/quantity) -Very low compared to other classes, maybe lowest
-how wanted are mystics in squads and what role do they mainly play? -Mystics aren't too wanted in squads, some good ones can be only healers in squads, but they are mainly DDs 'cause they don't know how to play mystic well.
-do other classes actually know what a good mystic can do? -Usually not, as there's not many good mystics to show them.
-how is the competition among mystics? low?high? -Kitty haz no idea on this one.
-Are there many or few high geared mystics compared to other classes? -Few.
-And other interresting stuff people might have to tell about mystic life on other servers: -On RT many mystics don't seem to know how to play mystic well. This might be caused by mystic's "jack-of-all-trades"-nature as playing mystics well needs flexibility to be able to do many things at once, probably more than on any other class. There's couple OP-mystics though out there.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

On HL the mystics population is so low that people know which one is good or not and which one can do what.



Or maybe it's you that fail at healing, I can solo heal pretty much everything on mystic and people that run stuff with me know it.

Are you that dumb? If people can't survive one hit, you can't heal them, they need BB. BB reduces damage by half, this is what makes it possible for +4 sins to take aggro from high damage bosses without instantly dying. I don't know how you played for this long without knowing even that.

Mystics excel at healing people who can take at least 1-2 hits, due to our fast heals and strong HOT's.

Learn your mystic mechanics pls. b:thanks

For pve, the mystic is a jack of all trades but master at none. They do a good spike aoe damage with crit skill > aoe, but other classes can crit higher on their aoes (wiz, seeker). They can do aoe debuffs, which are good for their duration, but bm debuffs are stronger (pole 2 spark skill). For single target debuffing, cleric/veno debuffs are stronger. They can do dps, but other classes can do more (aps classes, psychics). They can heal, but clerics can do it a little better mainly due to purify.

For pve, nobody really *needs* a mystic, because a combination of several other classes can completely overwrite the mystic's purpose... for example, assassin, cleric, bm (more dps, heals, and debuffs). However, the mystic has the benefit of being fairly strong in many categories... for example, they certainly beat bm and assassin in heals, and cleric and assassin in dps and number of pve-relevant debuffs (ones that increase damage mobs take or reduce damage mobs do to you).

PvP, completely different story.

Pvp heals are almost invisible... its hard to tell if the person you are attacking is being healed by a mystic since the animation is so faint (compared to a bright purple/white bar which yells to the world that a cleric is healing). So mystics are very very effective healers in pvp.

As well, rez buffs are a gamechanger. A squad with a mystic vs. a similar squad without mystic, the squad with mystic will almost surely triumph, unless the other squad is very heavy on purgers. Otherwise, mystic rez buff gives double life to everybody in squad, and if the mystic keeps rez buff on cleric, that squad is pretty much immortal unless you kill mystic and cleric several times in quick succession.

Ah. On Dreamweaver we value our mystics, yes.

We have several who are r9rr + 11-12 jades/nw upgrades. They are taken very seriously in pvp. A mystic with near instant 10k heals is very difficult to kill, possibly even more difficult to kill than a cleric in some circumstances---a cleric's spot heal is nowhere close to as strong, so we can't bring outselves back from the brink of death so easily as a mystic can. Naturally, they can bring somebody else back from the brink of death with the same sudden speed. It is very irritating to be about to kill a 40k hp barb, when suddenly his hp jumps up to 25%, then a second later, to 50%.

There still aren't as many mystics as clerics, but mystics seem to be an accepted alternative.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For pve, the mystic is a jack of all trades but master at none. They do a good spike aoe damage with crit skill > aoe, but other classes can crit higher on their aoes (wiz, seeker). They can do aoe debuffs, which are good for their duration, but bm debuffs are stronger (pole 2 spark skill). For single target debuffing, cleric/veno debuffs are stronger. They can do dps, but other classes can do more (aps classes, psychics). They can heal, but clerics can do it a little better mainly due to purify.

For pve, nobody really *needs* a mystic, because a combination of several other classes can completely overwrite the mystic's purpose... for example, assassin, cleric, bm (more dps, heals, and debuffs). However, the mystic has the benefit of being fairly strong in many categories... for example, they certainly beat bm and assassin in heals, and cleric and assassin in dps and number of pve-relevant debuffs (ones that increase damage mobs take or reduce damage mobs do to you).

PvP, completely different story.

Pvp heals are almost invisible... its hard to tell if the person you are healing is being healed by a mystic since the animation is so faint (compared to a bright purple/white bar which yells to the world that a cleric is healing). So mystics are very very effective healers in pvp.

As well, rez buffs are a gamechanger. A squad with a mystic vs. a similar squad without mystic, the squad with mystic will almost surely triumph, unless the other squad is very heavy on purgers. Otherwise, mystic rez buff gives double life to everybody in squad, and if the mystic keeps rez buff on cleric, that squad is pretty much immortal unless you kill mystic and cleric several times in quick succession.

Ah. On Dreamweaver we value our mystics, yes.

We have several who are r9rr + 11-12 jades/nw upgrades. They are taken very seriously in pvp. A mystic with near instant 10k heals is very difficult to kill, possibly even more difficult to kill than a cleric in some circumstances---a cleric's spot heal is nowhere close to as strong, so we can't bring outselves back from the brink of death so easily as a mystic can. Naturally, they can bring somebody else back from the brink of death with the same sudden speed. It is very irritating to be about to kill a 40k hp barb, when suddenly his hp jumps up to 25%, then a second later, to 50%.

There still isn't as many mystics as clerics, but mystics seem to be an accepted alternative.

Since your a cleric, who do you think is the better PvP healer? TW healer?

Raging Tide:

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-how is the mystic population? (quality/quantity)

Mystics are growing in number (Lv 100+) but still the least played class on the server it seems. Quality wise they're pretty bad. I've been teaching the few I come across but it is very rare to have 2 in the same squad.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-how wanted are mystics in squads and what role do they mainly play?

Mystics are always begging to join a sq. I've seen maybe 2 other Mystics (besides myself) able to tank some zones. Few understand how to heal correctly, even less would go into a sq without a cleric. I feel sad every time I see a high level mystic world chatting for a cleric (even for Delta). They just have no idea.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-do other classes actually know what a good mystic can do?

I've actually been told, if I'm not the Mystic in sq. then people expect only DD out of them. I'd like to think a few more exist but I haven't come across many trusting people. This tells me most people sq with mystics that don't know how to play or don't show off.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-how is the competition among mystics? low?high?

Competition is very low. Only a few exceptional mystics around.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-Are there many or few high geared mystics compared to other classes?

Those few mystics that do manage to make it to 103 or higher tend to always go for r9rr gear. Sadly even with that, they still only know DD. I think the purify proc on the wep really seals the deal.

Aziza_Atori - Archosaur wrote: »

-And other interresting stuff people might have to tell about mystic life on other servers.

I go around in random squads a lot. I try to show off a lot. Apparently I can still pull off tricks others have never even though of before. b:surrender My friends list is always full.

Burnout - Harshlands wrote: »

Are you that dumb? If people can't survive one hit, you can't heal them, they need BB. BB reduces damage by half, this is what makes it possible for +4 sins to take aggro from high damage bosses without instantly dying. I don't know how you played for this long without knowing even that.

Mystics excel at healing people who can take at least 1-2 hits, due to our fast heals and strong HOT's.

Learn your mystic mechanics pls. b:thanks

A sin that is a one shot out of BB is a 2 shots in BB, he will die anyway, BB cut damage by half it's true, but the healing of BB is really low and slow, too slow to save a 2 shots sin.

1 shot sins out of BB still die in BB cause they get 2 shots more fast than the healing of BB.

If people in your squad are that weak then what you are not tanking? You have better gears/weap than me and I can tank BH boss, so I assume you can and APS/sin/bm cannot take aggro from me if I'm fully DDing/tanking.

You claim you can't be main healer on HL, while I can so obviously you're the one that don't understand how to play mystic as healer.

Keeping a squad alive is not just about using healing skills just saying. There's other way than healing to save people.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

For pve, nobody really *needs* a mystic

No specific class are *needed* anymore for PVE, you can do all PVE instances without a barb, cleric, wizz, bm, archer, cleric or seeker, it's not just mystic.

Some people will prefer to have a barb as tank/puller or a cleric as main healer, but no class is needed in PVE.

Roles are needed, you need a tank, a healer and DDs, class don't matter.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

A sin that is a one shot out of BB is a 2 shots in BB, he will die anyway, BB cut damage by half it's true, but the healing of BB is really low and slow, too slow to save a 2 shots sin.

1 shot sins out of BB still die in BB cause they get 2 shots more fast than the healing of BB.



Roles are needed, you need a tank, a healer and DDs, class don't matter.

No, you simply don't understand how sins work. A 5.0 APS sin in aps gear that's not refined highly enough CAN be one-shot, but bloodpaint heal + BB + mystic heals lets them easily survive.

You're simply not creative enough to survive situations you think are hard (I did this on a sin with +11 G16 dags, ~+3-5 armors, w/ sage barb buffs he doesn't even crack 8k hp but takes all aggro in demon spark). I could refine him, but it's not my acc.

I have also main healed in WS/Lunar/caster Nirvana, so idk where you're getting the notion that healing is some amazingly hard job. But, if you're proud of doing it all by your lonesome, give yourself a pat on the back, I guess? b:surrender

Also, please don't put words in my mouth. I said spidervine is a bad choice in pvp, and befuddling is outshined by many other debuffs by other classes. Some of that analysis was meant for pvp situations only, in which I believe that casting spidervine is usually a bad choice when you consider other things you could do as a mystic.

I guess you're the kind of mystic that spams spidervine in pvp, if so, suit yourself, to each their own).

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

With the gears/weap you have if there's a cleric in squad BBing just DD you will have aggro which will keep people from dying without you needed to heal them.

Mystics R9rr +10/12 JosD like you can tank easy and can hold aggro from aps chars. ('i'm not even full +10 and I can do it so you should be able to do it)

I don't even have a R9rr weapon. Half of my armors aren't even +10 atm. I can still do huge aoe pulls on every pav except water up to boss and keep aggro, but I'm sorry, a demon sparked 5.0 aps G16 dags sin will rip aggro from any equivalently geared caster. The sins in your squad just suck, probably.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

This would still be cleric due to buffs and on-demand purify, tbh. Buffs+purify will honestly make more of a difference than just healing a lot of the time. If we're just going by solely heals though, idk. Could be arguable.

Without cleric buffs, clerics are clearly superior. Nothing beats +60% physical and magic defense.

With cleric buffs though? The average time it takes to react to a debuff and purify someone I would say is ~1.5-3 seconds (this depends on whether the cleric uses escape canceling, or waits for the currently queued spells to finish channeling).

Tests with ~20% channel reduction showed a mystic getting off 7 BiTC every 10 seconds, which means one heal every 1.42 seconds. +10 R9r heals ~10k per, so that's 7000 hp/sec.

An equivalent 5-stack IH heals 5438 hp/sec (divide this by 1.2 if you don't have verdant blessing).

Assuming 25% purify proc rate, a sage mystic will:

purify faster than a cleric 25% of the time

purify at roughly the same speed as a cleric 43.7% of the time.

So in a sense, mystic healing depends more on luck. They *can* be superior to clerics in both purify speed and healing per sec, but it depends a lot on luck, and over half the time it doesn't fall in the mystic's favor.

There's another thing too. Cleric healing continues even if the cleric is interrupted by the enemy. If mystics get interrupted, their healing falls to a paltry 1200 hp/sec from falling petals.

OTOH, cleric healing gets countered by purge. Mystics don't really care if the target gets purged - it just makes them squishier (it does matter if they can't survive the 1.4 seconds between heals though).

Overall I would probably agree that clerics are the more reliable healer in pvp in terms of keeping a VIP target alive, even assuming everyone has cleric buffs. Mystics have a huge edge in saving random squad members from sudden burst damage, but that's it.

Eoria - Harshlands wrote: »

Not every mystic goes sage and as a demon mystic, I'm certainly not gonna rely on 35% chance per target to purify on our slow AOE heal.

Not every cleric goes sage either, demons are even slower on purify (and it also doesn't heal 10k hp @ the same time) and their heal values are even lower than what I put into the post, and that's being generous by giving them verdant blessing.

Edit: Actually, with enough channeling, it may be possible for clerics to stack 6 IH's, though I've never actually tested it. This would lower the healing gap.

skijuri wrote: »

Mystics are popular on morai server. Some guilds have way more mystics than clerics.

I'm pretty curious to know the level of the mystics you're talking about.

Maybe mystics are becoming more and more popular on Morai but, according to me, the mystic class is still one of the less played on the server (talking about people playing a mystic as their main, even if I find great that people try mystics as an alt).
In NW I still see a lot more of clerics than mystics and in TW the opposing faction against us rarely have several mystics.

*ghost sidesteps*

Its truely sad to see that everyone wants to relegate the Mystic to just a second-string alt heal source, when it is capable of so much more. Its like joining a TW faction that refuses to think outside of the box, and the only tactic they have is to "PUSH B!". Duh...otay.

All you need to do in PvE instances is get to the boss, put down your fake BB (Vital and Healing Herb together) and as long as your squad is stable, you are free let the Healing Herb die off so you can DD, spot heal, buff and debuff as needed.

If you only heal, you are only using less than half of your spells. At least a DD-only Mystic uses more of whats in their 'bag of tricks" to only DD.

In my honest opinion, a truely good Mystic is meant to create chaos in places like TW and NW and uses everything they have to accomplish that.

Its a FULL support char, so its meant to spot what is needed and assume that role, sliding back and forth between roles with ease. It was billed as a 'Jack-of-all-trades' char when it was released.

Best wishes in your quest to be a great healers, there is nothing wrong with that. There is also nothing wrong with being a HA/Tank/Low Heal Mystic. There is nothing wrong with being a LA/DD-only Mystic. The Mystic is variable in its build and how you gear it, and as long as you are using that Mystic to its fullest benefit as per how you chose to build and gear it then you are a good Mystic, in my opinion. This variablity is what attracted me to the Mystic, and made me fall in love with the char.

It seems to me that the best Mystics on RT are the ones with the most friends that will say they are good, lol. b:chuckle

RT has a lot of players that crossed over from older servers. The biggest problem any Mystic faces is getting those who play with an archaic mindset as to what they want in a squad to allow them to enter that closed circle of what long-time players are used to working with when it comes to making a squad for something. You will find yourself most active when there is a Cleric shortage on the server.

A new Mystic faces the challenge of being allowed to learn in a squad environment. Back when I first made my Mystic, there were plenty of new players still coming on the server (even though I met a lot of players at THAT time who wanted to know who's alt I was o.0) and everyone was accepting of the char and we were all usually tolerant enough to allow each other to learn their class. That's not available to a new lone Mystic now, and its no wonder you see more and more Mystics that are only concerned with how well they can heal. Its sadly a logical reaction to the adversity the char faces.

Taken with all the nerfs the char has undergone over the years, its really no wonder noone - even if they are capable of learning to use most of their spells and sliding between roles - wants to bother anymore.

Given the heal-only stereotyping when it comes to squads, the need to constantly pay attention to everything (health bars, buffs debuffs, and whats actually going on with mobs/boss/etc) its simply not a char that meets everyones individual needs. For example, some players like to be intoxicated in some form when they play. You are definately a PRO Mystic if you can keep up with all that while in that state of mind. Some players have a hard time keeping up with all that while they are in an aware and clear state of mind. b:chuckle

I personally feel the biggest problems any Mystic who has learned to use effectively most of his/her spells is the mindset of other players who over the years are stuck in the same mode of thinking that they had when they first started playing.

In the end, being a "Jack-of-all-trades" char means you are not the best at anything, and people underestimate the value of being capable and damn-good at doing everything.

It is what it is.

*ghost shrugs, wishes everyone a Happy Thanksgiving, and gets back on track* b:bye