wizard ignores hp charm

RankNine - Momaganon wrote: »

so you are saying we should allow 1 class (already the highest dph class in the game) to be able to charmbypass anyone they want whenever they want just so they dont complain?
good. i bet the complaints of wizards would be far above the complaints from the rest of the community, once this issue gaint the attention of the crowd...

See DarkSkiesx comment.
No I am not saying it should be allowed. Archers have the same kind of exploit as Dark pointed out.

Problem is that the only fix, if it does have to do with response timings or the game engine, would be the removal of the skill.
Do you think that's likely to happen if PWE even bothers to request that from China?

My understanding of the cause, represented in a timeline:
Client Wizzy: Wizard doing the Reversion. Has 100ms lag.
Client Blady: Hypothetical BM being the victim. Has 200ms lag, starts at 18000/26000 HP.

0ms: Wiz: Casts Gush, crits for 9000 dmg.
0ms: Client Wizzy -> Server: Do 9000 dmg to Client Blady (100ms delay)
100ms: Server -> Client Wizzy: Blady received 9000 damage and is at 9000/26000 (100ms delay)
100ms: Server -> Client Blady: Blady received 9000 damage and is at 9000/26000 (200ms delay)
200ms: Client Wizzy: Blady received 9000 damage and is at 9000/26000
200ms: Client Wizzy: Cast Mortal Coil .
200ms: Client Wizzy -> Server: Cast Mortal Coil, mark health now (100ms delay)
300ms: Server: *receives Mortal Coil status, marks current health at 9000/26000*
300ms: Client Blady: Blady received 9000 damage and is at 9000/26000
300ms: Client Blady: Charmtick! Blady receives 17000 health.
300ms: Client Blady -> Server: Blady receives 17000 health, charm on cooldown. (200ms delay)
500ms: Server -> Client Wizzy: Blady receives 17000 health (100ms delay)
600ms: Client Wizzy: Blady receives 17000 health

Roughly 5.5 seconds later the mortal reversion triggers, taking 17000 HP away and forcing a second charm trigger with a 0.4s delay before the server acknowledges the heal after the server is aware of the mortal coil effect triggering. That means the wiz has a short time in which to do 9K damage to trigger the player dying, or can effectively force another charm tick while channeling something painful.

Main issue is that the charm tick is handled clientside. I think damage calculations are -not- handled clientside, but most selfhealing/selfbuff effects are. Observations on damaging NPCs suggest this to me. A charm tick is immediate, but damage done to mobs often has a slight delay, more then once you'll even get a delayed hit on an already dead mob.
The only way to truly fix this would be to have healing also handled serverside, but that'd result in a lot of dead players on slower connections.

[Edit] And yes, the above timeline means that victims with a higher latency are more prone to the effects of this glitch. Unless the Mortal Reversion health mark is also handled clientside (wouldn't surprise me if it were, but in the above timeline I assigned that task to the server) then the wizard's latency wouldn't have a lot of effect - unless the lag were precisely timed to delay the damage notification to the server, so that the damage and mortal reversion castings were right behind eachother (denying the victim's client a chance to respond in time).

MissCherie - Harshlands wrote: »

By the video been removed by the user I assume it's really a glitch and now he/she hide it so GM don't fix it.

You are welcome to make your own video, explanation of how has been left up, its not difficult and anyone who has a wizard should be able to.

Please dont pretend you know my motives (though it should be fairly obvious in this case lol...)

I was tempted to make an "archer ignores hp charm" thread but I think I can just leave this here. Though the video shows successful "glitching" (lol?) via QS and failure w/ KB arrow, the same effect can be achieved w/ other skills, though QS is the only guaranteed skill that I found. I guess if you use QS at 1/2 hp you are a "glitcher" now, or if you ever aps some1 to death w/o their charm ticking. (please dont make it so I to need to remove that video too lol?? >_>)

This is why we can't have nice things.

Have Fun~

This all reminds me of something... what was it... hmm... lets see what was it...?

Oh wait now I remember... the casters qqing about apsers being able to charm bypass without ticking a charm, and they didnt even have range on their side. (The apsers.) The inhumanity damnit! Ok jokes aside... seriously it does remind me of those... QQ's about aps. (Imho they were right to 'QQ' about aps being able to charm bypass without it ticking) Its quite sad when skills or aps by pass a charm without it ticking.

as a wizzy who uses this skill, allow me to explain:

there is no glitch.

Mortal Reversion is different from all other skills (same as spacial reversion) because it cannot be stopped. Ad, expel, purify, triple spark, etc will not prevent this skill from taking place once on the target (when i use spacial reversion i have teleported people back from a sz even) is hit successfully with this skill.

This skill is useless about 70% of the time, however it is very effective vs people that are geared and with high health, especially ha classes.

This skill was designed to bypass an enemy charm by getting them through 1 charm tick and down to less than 50% hp. In this case their charm is about to tick and you throw mortal reversion on them. This will record their current health whatever that value is and in 6 seconds revert to that specified amount REGARDLESS. So, your charm will tick and then you will go back to your original amount. There is no glitch here, it is just a very powerful move if used correctly.

Edit: Also, magic, the second it is casted, server-wise, it hits the target (instantly). This is why your health bar will drop before you see a number pop up when running from a magic skill with holy path.

edit: this is a video from when i used this skill during the last 30 seconds: http://youtu.be/BxpqDWYJ3_w?t=9m39s

I don't understand the problem here. So the issue is about a skill, that sends a target back to a specific health?

I'm sorry how is that a glitch? How is that any different to the soul transfusion genie skill? Your charm is in cooldown, if you dont die, it will tick again. Bypassing a charm isnt hard. Charms dont tick if you're one shot, so is that bypassing a charm?

Honestly this just sounds like a QQ thread because Wizards have a skill that's a great HP tactic, especially on barbs.

FaceRolI - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let me disagree w/ u to prove I am stupid. lol nice opening line.

If I had to compare the two obviously the wizard version is much stronger, but I wasn't, nor was that the point. I am glad that you can say fix both, and thats fine w/ me too. If PWE wants to get cereal about their game and actually fix/take care of things that would be ideal. Judging from how they "fixed archosaur/rt" I don't think they have the means, but hope I am wrong.

The part that annoys me is how PWE conducts itself for matters similar to this, enough ppl complain some1 (I wonder who this time) gets banned per ToS, for something that was never previously applied, and the issue is still not fixed. (like last season "alt" TW bidding). The stupidity/lack of understanding is also fairly annoying, at least you understand what you are looking at. I had to write a friggin guide before most ppl could even understand what they were seeing.

tbh I wouldnt even bother using this vs an archer

p.s. you are supposed to use gear swap glitch/timing to guarantee weapon proc/purge on 1st QS hit then bypass w/ crit on purged target. 1/2 hp+1st qs hit and purged?! completely feasible vs even endgame AA.

Here's where I lost, What's this gear swap glitch you mentioned before? O.o

Oh i actually get what you're saying now
p weird