Down With Arc

Prindagelf - Dreamweaver
Prindagelf - Dreamweaver Posts: 13 Arc User
edited December 2013 in General Discussion
I WILL NOT PUT THAT GARBAGE BACK ON MY SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY TO ADD TO IT!!!!!!

b:angry b:angry b:angry

Taking out the DQ system is 1 thing, but to try and force players to use your complete fail ARC system is unacceptable.

I will not ever use it, even if it means no more PWE for me. b:beatenup b:angry
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  • Sizzer - Raging Tide
    Sizzer - Raging Tide Posts: 2,387 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    OK. b:shocked
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  • DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver
    DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,355 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Pwi response:

    Dear Prinda,

    You will install arc. You will like it. You will thank us for providing you with such epic bloatware like a good little elf.

    Kind regards,

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  • Sknowflake - Sanctuary
    Sknowflake - Sanctuary Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Prindagelf - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I WILL NOT PUT THAT GARBAGE BACK ON MY SYSTEM, NO MATTER WHAT YOU TRY TO ADD TO IT!!!!!!


    Taking out the DQ system is 1 thing, but to try and force players to use your complete fail ARC system is unacceptable.

    I will not ever use it, even if it means no more PWE for me. b:beatenup b:angry

    Down, kitty b:surrender
    Anyway, yes, Arc is annoying especially when .ini editing (since I guess it likes to switch the game files to Read-Only, or so I've read), but it isn't likely PWE will be removing it in the foreseeable future; It's also, as a private company, PWE's choice to use if they feel aggregating games into one hub will bring in more cash. Also, you don't have to use it to run the game client; it doesn't even have to be running. So, if you enjoy the game, don't let Arc obstruct you. It is unfair that we don't get the option to download PWI via torrent or a direct download, but personally, I have few complaints about the download speed through Arc. For me at least, it's significantly faster than the direct download used to be. If it were optional I'd probably still use it to download the game and then just remove the arc files.
  • Templar - Sanctuary
    Templar - Sanctuary Posts: 607 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Arc Must Sink
  • ObviousAlt - Raging Tide
    ObviousAlt - Raging Tide Posts: 655 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Rage Rage Rage

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  • Euthymius - Heavens Tear
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,162 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Rage Thread? b:cute
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2013
    Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Rage Thread? b:cute
    That was epic. b:chuckle
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  • MrJohnDoe - Dreamweaver
    MrJohnDoe - Dreamweaver Posts: 103 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    ARC is awesome b:victory
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  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I am predicting that this arc thing will be just like Core Connect. A total failure and disappointment.

    If they can't even finish any of their previous pass projects and have them operational (achievement points/rankings/core), or keep current things like in game maintenance, and having websites under control (website failures like blessings/anni gifts/dq/news page), then there is no credibility in that arc will operate smoothly and be a decent marketable product. I just don't see this happening ever based on their long record of failures.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I don't hate ARC per se but there are some things it does (or doesn't) that I dislike thus I don't want to have to use it... :(
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2013
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I am predicting that this arc thing will be just like Core Connect. A total failure and disappointment.
    Actually, so far I'm been fairly impressed with the work they've done with Arc, and it's light-years ahead of the screwups that they had with Core.

    Not that I'm condoning it's use, or that I even support it. I'll be one of the first to post ways to work without it. But they have put considerably more effort into making it function than they ever did with Core.
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  • Annalyse - Heavens Tear
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,618 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I have been told a few things that will keep me from using it unless they change it. Like auto-login, and the fact that to switch accounts you have to close out the whole thing instead of just switching internally through the client. And I'm not sure about the ini-edit thing someone mentioned but that's pretty bad too.

    However, I'm not raging at this point since I have also been told (by people that use it) that once you download it you can just shortcut the PW exe and use that, bypassing the need to use arc. I'm not sure about patching but this would make it bearable for the time being. Though at this point I still plan to avoid it altogether and just download it onto the laptop I don't use, so that I can at least access it for rewards/blessings.
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2013
    Annalyse - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I have been told a few things that will keep me from using it unless they change it. Like auto-login, and the fact that to switch accounts you have to close out the whole thing instead of just switching internally through the client. And I'm not sure about the ini-edit thing someone mentioned but that's pretty bad too.

    You don't have to close out of the whole client, but it is especially annoying to have the auto-login. Which is why I don't start my clients with Arc.
    I don't see them supporting multiple accounts with Arc because they are pushing against having multiple accounts is most of their titles.

    However, I'm not raging at this point since I have also been told (by people that use it) that once you download it you can just shortcut the PW exe and use that, bypassing the need to use arc. I'm not sure about patching but this would make it bearable for the time being. Though at this point I still plan to avoid it altogether and just download it onto the laptop I don't use, so that I can at least access it for rewards/blessings.

    Absolutely. Patching doesn't change, and you can just create a shortcut to elementclient.exe for it all because it will open the patcher automatically if another elementclient process is not running.
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  • SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver
    SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver Posts: 108 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    It isn't finished yet so why moan? its like moaning about a half built car not driving properly. Let them finish it then you can moan about it if its not to your liking.
  • Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary Posts: 3,034 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    SonofAnarchy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It isn't finished yet so why moan? its like moaning about a half built car not driving properly. Let them finish it then you can moan about it if its not to your liking.

    It`s PWI, they don`t qualify as trustworthy to deliver something good! My guess would be that are forcing us to use ark only to give us more advertisements or other promotional **** which you cannot block like on the website.
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  • Sizzer - Raging Tide
    Sizzer - Raging Tide Posts: 2,387 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Angel_Spawn - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It`s PWI, they don`t qualify as trustworthy to deliver something good! My guess would be that are forcing us to use ark only to give us more advertisements or other promotional **** which you cannot block like on the website.

    If we gotta avoid something we players will eventually do it. Actually i think these days it's a trend to make Stream or stuffs like ARC for every mmo companies.
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  • Kane_lust - Heavens Tear
    Kane_lust - Heavens Tear Posts: 91 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Yo. Calm your nuts.

    They are revamping their website and calling it Arc. The actual arc platform does not appear to be an actual necessity. I doubt they will change that. The achievement points and **** tracked by the "arc system" will be displayed on their new arc-mastered website.

    That's all they're talking about.

    Keep your non-arc copy on a flash drive in case you ever need to reinstall. They may not make it easy to download anymore without arc, but they'll probably never be able to stop you logging into the game without it.
  • Selak - Dreamweaver
    Selak - Dreamweaver Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Once again,
    If you think it will not become mandatory please read.

    https://support.perfectworld.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/4274#ARC13

    In particular note the sections headed.

    Will future versions of Perfect World games require Arc to download and patch?

    Does Arc include a browser?

    Right now you can choose to install and run the game no problems with or without ARC, but If you read all they have posted about it, that is not what they intend in the future.

    After all the years other companies have put into developing their browsers (e.g. Internet Explorer, Chrome, Mozilla e.t.c.) and the inability to make them fully secure what makes you all so sure that PWI will do a better job in a much shorter time with ARCs ingame browser.
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  • Nuku_Nuku - Raging Tide
    Nuku_Nuku - Raging Tide Posts: 277 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Only thing I don't like is the fact you can't run two separate games at once. While i'm afk here I jump on to the other pwe and so stuff there. Im not using ARC until I have too . Than I will have to break out my notebook and run it that way if I must use ARC.

    ARC is on the right path BUT needs ALOT of work.
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  • Kinjeto - Raging Tide
    Kinjeto - Raging Tide Posts: 564 Arc User
    edited November 2013

    I suppose ARC is Ok. But I've seen better integration systems through Steam/other game launchers/functionality/file verification/with achievements or referring friend type systems in other games that allow people with potential customer bases / youtube followers to start playing and participating in F2P games and thus bring in customers from other areas or genres.

    Let's be fair and balanced here to some degree. That F2P has a fair head with bringing in potential customers b:chuckle Which is all well and good but gutting customers is a very appalling, disgusting & notorious business practice and I could never condone that (or recommend it to my numerous friends). My friend/s interestingly enough plays Star Trek online and he loves it. As for me well I'm stuck with Blacklight Retribution and "this thing" [sic]

    Here we are in 2010:
    http://www.g4tv.com/videos/44277/dice-2010-design-outside-the-box-presentation/
    Here we are in 2013 (with what good can come of it)
    http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/11/03/microtransactions-the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly/

    It isn't uncommon for companies to have whole social platforms in a seperate client/launcher. What I don't like is when customers (it is very interesting how I keep using this word isn't it?) get nickle and dimed by unethical business practices for more than 50 USD a month and hold the player back with things like mana and health gateways that limit the player experience. It is so shocking and deplorable that even the F2P players can't have a time based method of getting these things. Same goes for RNG. Random Number Generator should be on the minisucle versus on the maximum.

    I.E: If you haven't seen Extra Creditz bit about collectable card games and how "Systems" can be better used to replace RNG systems that may limit player experience go check it:
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  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2013
    Nuku_Nuku - Raging Tide wrote: »
    Only thing I don't like is the fact you can't run two separate games at once. While i'm afk here I jump on to the other pwe and so stuff there. Im not using ARC until I have too . Than I will have to break out my notebook and run it that way if I must use ARC.

    ARC is on the right path BUT needs ALOT of work.
    Sure you can. I do it all the time. Just don't use Arc for launching games.
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  • bladerunnerdm
    bladerunnerdm Posts: 145 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Direct download links for PWI client:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=20144791#post20144791

    *client might require running arc as background service in near future...
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited November 2013
    bladerunnerdm wrote: »
    Direct download links for PWI client:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?p=20144791#post20144791

    *client might require running arc as background service in near future...
    Why are you spamming the forums with **** that's already been out here, in a much better format?
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Why are you spamming the forums with **** that's already been out here, in a much better format?

    SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, I've posted this, and replicated the links in several threads.

    EDIT: Yay! I necroed a thread by following a spammer! Can I get a badge for that?


    Maybe for the same reason that you are following what you allege to be 'spammers' and doing what most of us who have used a forum before call 'wannabe modding the forums'? *shrugs*

    Who knows? Maybe people other than you want to post a link too?

    Idk, just a guess. b:chuckle


    If that's the case though, you really should put your real mod cap on. That way, folk's can take your posts made in this tone as something 'serious'.


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  • Selak - Dreamweaver
    Selak - Dreamweaver Posts: 462 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    I think I finally get it,
    Watched some friends play console and tablet games.

    As I rarely play consoles now I had not realized how much the average console player loves all the junk Arc/Steam style frontends brings to them without them having to understand their PCs workings,
    and how easy they forget we chose to use a PC to have the right not to have to run additional console, walled garden rubbish, like this.

    I can understand that some companies want to attract this market as it is one growth area for gaming in modern times with this type of frontend for console/tablet gaming being so popular and popular press spouting their supposed benefits to the player, without understanding that a lot of PC players have a more sophisticated understanding of computers, and being forced to run software we did not want, is why we chose a PC in the first place instead of a console/tablet.

    Stop saying its to provide better service,
    everyone knows you cannot do that, if you make a group of people focus on delivering 14 different products instead of one product, and as anyone with any real life experience will tell you no one product will get as much attention as before.

    E.G.
    Worker: Boss you know that bit of PWI code I have been working on its ready for testing now.
    Boss: We have a problem with STO, forget what you were working on we need this fixed now.
    Worker: But the clients need this to be tested before release so we do not glitch the update.
    Boss: We do not have time for this, get on with fixing STO and we will deliver your work to PWI client and if we run into problems we will deal with them when they occur.

    Sound familiar.

    It would be better and more truthful stated that this brings more advantage to the production companies profit margins for a product than benefits for the customers.

    I choose not to own a console or to run Steam/Arc programs, I choose to own a PC to be able to avoid rubbish like this, and now you want to use my hardware to create a software console on my machine do you really think we are that stupid.

    Oh wait, you must be console gamers and think we are as dumb as you.
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  • Eccii - Raging Tide
    Eccii - Raging Tide Posts: 481 Arc User
    edited November 2013
    Everybody Raging about "Arc" but we all gonna be using it one day anyway, I mean come on, how many of the hardcore PWI players that rage are really gonna quit because of it? How many r9rr +12 people that are raging on the forums are gonna quit because of it?

    We'll just have to get used to it, because we all know if PWE put something in their heads they are gonna enforce it no matter what the comunity thinks, Arc is the best example. b:bye
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  • aniekwena1
    aniekwena1 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    how can i dualclient using arc?? someone please answer me!!!
  • SylenThunder - Twilight Temple
    SylenThunder - Twilight Temple Posts: 7,908
    edited December 2013
    aniekwena1 wrote: »
    how can i dualclient using arc?? someone please answer me!!!
    Same way you did before Arc.
    Open one client using elementclient.exe, and after it's open, you open the second client.

    There's your answer.
    Next time, don't yell, and search before you post. I've only said this about 20 times already.
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  • eraldus
    eraldus Posts: 336 Arc User
    edited December 2013
    I love these Arc QQ rage threads...


    Notice that most of the people that QQ or rage about it, just post **** lilke "OMG ARC SUCK BALLZ!!!, OMG I'M NOT GUNNA USE IT!!!" without even telling you why...


    I'm using arc here ever since thye've released it, and I don't have any problems with it. b:bye

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