Genie Skill- Celestial Sword

Sounds OP lol.

I guess it depends on what class you're fighting. Most classes apply way too much pressure for you to survive without using genie.

It still has a 1 second cooldown like all genie skills. That means the time it takes to purge would be similar to just firing normal arrows. Given how reliant archers are on genie I don't think it's really viable.

Someobody finally made a post about it lol. The class that benefits the most isn't archers. They already, as you said, have ranged purge. But what about a sin with 30m range purge? A barb? A bm? When fighting people where the fight doesn't begin till you purge... then we are looking at a potentially viable strategy.

Anyone that had done any research on genie skill mechanics would already know this, unfortunately what happens with the passage of time things considered 'common knowledge' are forgotton and relearnt.

I think it has it uses though I wouldnt really say archers are the optimal class to benefit from it. We already have ranged purge and it slightly increases the odds of purging with the disadvantage of blowing out your genie. Considering my genie is primarily for defense...

Bm's and barbs however who are pretty tanky in their own right I see the potential for 'abuse' here as they can simply equip a purge pole and chase the target spamming that till the purge and using this increases their purge chance enough to warrant the dead genie, and stand the most to gain from landing a purge in this way.

Senel abused this on me in fridays NW to varied success but in some cases I purged him before his genie and bow could purge me. Video here

However for situations where purging a target is pretty much required or very important to kill them, the tanky peoples, I can see it being useful.

From a defensive player's perspective, the purge classes of BM, barbarian, archer, and to a lesser extent assassins, suffer just too much from emptying genie like this. Even from where I come from, where people are stupidly tanky, to have no genie is to die.

Think about it this way: You can choose to attempt a genie purge, but you empty your genie.
or....
You use your genie for defense, live longer, have longer periods of time for purging.
You might say "equal" chances of purging for both situations, but the 2nd way is significantly less risky.

And for assassins, I'd say it's easier to simply unCoTD and whip out a purge bow. Hell knows its easy to freeze lock. The only kind of situation where a % genie purge is nice is the Eruption Fist on the skill for Longevity genies, which Aeliah has already shown us.

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm sure you will find a way.. b:shocked

A heavy armor cleric could do it by sacrificing roughly 50 additional stat points (tt99 pole, 245 str 107 dext requirements, heavy armor requires similar str points and 54 dext). I, however, will never be able to, lol. For me to do it would require gear I don't have and stat reallocation that I'm not willing to do, since the heavy armor build suffers too much offensively for my tastes.

If one day a weapon arises with a much lower stat point requirement though... who knows? For now though, safe to say that few to no arcanes will use Celestial Sword to purge.

The description says every str point doubles damage.

o.0

But what if I made a 100 str genie? Does that mean I will deal 50*(2^100) damage (6.34*10^31 damage lol)

unless the description is inaccurate, which it probably is

EDIT: Multiplier doesn't seem to work as described. Nvm

Takes atk level into account too, it seems

Definitely nowhere as strong as it claims. 176 stam. used with 5 str to deal 845 damage doesn't add up

there goes my dream of hitting r9rrs for damage with 30 zeroes b:sad

MrJohnDoe - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I tried a couple days ago and wasting all your genie stam is a waste, better just to use the bow, you have to wear it so celestial sword can make it proc, why not just toss arrows, sin's range is 20m not 30 or maybe i missed something, i think for bm's and barb's using poles they need to be in wep range so it procs, so then again a waste, only if you are slow and maybe you can get a few hits advantage with celestial sword.

Nah... as long as you are wearing purge wep you can get a purge from up to 30 meters away, no matter what the range of the weapon is. I've purged from 30m on my assassin.

Think of any group fight you've been in where you couldn't see all of the enemies at once. When somebody shoots arrows at you, you can see the direction the arrows came from. When a bm whacks you with a pole, he's right in your face, you can hardly fail to notice him. But often you can't tell who is doing the celestial sword. It could be any physical dd within 30 meters, and if everybody is using a fashion weapon, the purge weapon will be obscured. That person could be hiding behind a rock or tree. They could be high in the air above you. You could even be looking at the person and still not tell if they are doing the celestial sword sometimes (sometimes there's an animation above the head of the person doing it, and sometimes strangely enough there isn't, and I'm not sure as to what conditions govern this yet).

There's another really big advantage to this. No other method of purging allows you to continually attempt purge while MOVING. On my assassin for lolz, I put in windpush then bow, and ran a giant circle around this one barb, attempting purge all the while. Then when I got the purge he went human form, anti stun to rebuff hp and titans. I purged that off too, sparked, daggers, teleported in. An archer friend of mine puts in wings of grace and kites backwards from approaching melees while attempting purges the entire way, and as soon as he gets that purge he can fire off a stun and debuff combo. Sometimes the target has to immediately blow their belief or ad to survive the combo that follows, so the tradeoff really isn't as bad as you'd think at all.

Get it already, hyper offensive sometimes works really well. Not that its even to my advantage to persuade people of this (I don't benefit from celestial sword one bit), but its simply a fact.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

On my assassin for lolz, I put in windpush then bow, and ran a giant circle around this one barb,

Reading comprehension fail on many levels. Didn't read what I put in previous posts, and didn't even properly read the one post you quoted!

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Reading comprehension fail on many levels. Didn't read what I put in previous posts, and didn't even properly read the one post you quoted!

You are the one linking it to your "hyper offensive" strategy in the end b:bye

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Enough with the stupid one-liners. I never said that an assassin running in a circle around a barb was necessarily a good idea. 'Lolz' implies something humorous/not serious. I feel like face-palming for even needing to explain this to you.

I said earlier that legitimate uses for Celestial Sword include:

-when you are much weaker the enemy and a strong offense is your only chance of victory
Yet you state in the next part of TW he'd be one/two-shot, why would spamming a genie skill be of any use if he'll die anyway in 1 or 2 hits, he won't get the chance.

-when you are tanky/slippery enough (barb+bm / archer+assassin, well geared) to expend genie to get purge off, knowing that if you are successful, you can kill hard-to-kill people much faster if you purge first
This would only ever work in a 1v1 situation, true enough, when someone is tanking multiple persons it's plain stupid.

-anytime your side outnumbers the enemy, it is safer to expend your genie for offense
True, but why would someone spam celestial sword on 1 person if you already outnumber the enemy, for offensive reasons i'm sure someone could come up with something better other than spamming celestial sword, it would work if you already burned up your genie and then spam it I guess.

-when certain key targets MUST die at ANY cost (eg, flag carrier in a NW battle, enemy cata barb in TW)
Depending on who the flag carrier is, true. If the flag carrier is a tanky as hell arcane with purify spell, you'll just increase the chance of making purify spell proc, so that would be a stupid way to use it and you'd just end up giving the said user a free ticket to the capture point.
Barbs in TW yes, but that's what veno's are for aren't they? Maybe it's useful for an archer during it to spam celestial.

In all of these cases, there are situations where sacrificing a lot of defense for a good offense could be a good strategy.

For an actual example, consider a tt99 dps sin with +5 weapon in TW situation. Can he do anything useful to kill anything? Not really. Can he use his genie to survive? Not really, he'll be one-shot/two-shot if he gets close to anybody, and doesn't do enough damage to kill anything besides. Bramble alone would destroy him. Can he still do anything useful? Yes! He could be purging key targets. If he stays far away, he could spam his genie endlessly for purges the entire TW. In essence he can be a quasi-veno, with the added safety of 30m range. Imagine the enemy cata barb in TW base getting spammed with Celestial Sword. Any heals over times/buffs that the clerics/mystics give the barb will get constantly purged off, as well as the barbarian's own buffs, which will greatly increase the chance that the barb dies. Fancy that.

Calling 30m a safety range is stupid as if there were no attacks that could ever reach beyond this, there are a number of skills that can and will be used, do you really think people will allow someone spamming celestial sword upon them when noticed it's being done? No, just oneshot the weak sin doing it and problem solved. The example is isn't that good of an example. Can he do something else that's usefull? Go japanese style and jump in to subsea and mire the group so the AOE's of the stronger people do more damage instead of hoping for a purge proc on a single target.

I essentially said all of this already. I summarize it here for your lazy *** to read again. And I stand by what I said before: you fail at reading comprehension. That's a polite way of saying 'I think you are an idiot'.
Sticks and stones, PvP on dreamweaver is nothing but a teaparty and a joke anyway so discussion of PvP is nonsense when it comes to Dreamweaver imo, hence why I cba to read bazillion lines of text when it's coming from someone saying it's fact while it's an opinion based on personal viewpoints.
That being said, my opinion is written down as well and is my own.

Cheers!

/5char

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Not that its even to my advantage to persuade people of this (I don't benefit from celestial sword one bit), but its simply a fact.

Its not really to your disadvantage either.

Does this purge proc work whilst you are slept/sog/stunned I wonder? I would hazard a guess at no.

I assume genie damage can trigger a purify proc? If so not the best way to purge a caster in NW for example.