Dark vs. Mayhem TW

cafp2010 wrote: »

Wow lots of interesting info here. It's just too bad that Dark leadership clearly doesn't agree with Long's vision to improve and challenge the status quo. Just take a look at the current map...Dark loses one war to Infamous and they tuck their tail between their legs and start running as far north and away from Infamous as they can, straight to Mayhem. Just an observation, but actions speak a whole louder than words.....b:chuckle

Or maybe it was more:

"Hey...
Free 1k Streams.
....We should take that."

Temeilion - Harshlands wrote: »

Dont forget that all the while..

They sit back and QQ at mayhem for"trying" to do the exact same thing they have done..

I still have seen nothing to tell me Dark has broken away from there Creators ..

Crimson and Mayhem banded together a few year ago to try and stop the Corp that is Infam,Catalyst..yes for the most part that alliance has failed and mainly because Crimson has always looked down on Mayhem and done little to nothing to help there ally improve much less support them in any way during a TW season and Crimson has done this to countless other factions as well.

In response to this

Infamous(catalyst or whatever at the time) seeing this threat did a very wise thing by creating there own Ally..one they knew they could always trust and thereby allow which ever side of themselves not currently being attack to snatch up land insuring they always had a strangle hold on total TW profits..

This is whats happening now...Infamous knows Dark is no threat to them (and not due to skill but the fact they own Dark)..so half of them are in catalyst to increase the total amount of lands they could gain weekly without fear of Dark on there boarders..Its all pre-planned folks...

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All in All if anything is going to change on this server it has to come from someone not tied to Crimson or Infamous..as neither side of this Quagmire can be trusted to do anything but feed there own greed..even at the cost of killing the harshlands server..

My question is whats the point of all that +12 Gear..if your only going to fight the weaker players on the server..and if that is what you plan on why complain about the difficulty of your opponents..or lack there of when you chose this..

Now of course everyone and there dogs will pipe in on this and claim im full of ****..and while i do not know "all" the details this is a fairly accurate representation of whats rotten in Denmark..

Actions can cut through all the lies and deception...and we have all seen Dark/Infamous and Crimsons actions up to this point.

Dude what drugs are you on?

Dark = Ex-Zulu (the ones that left Catalyst specifically because they were sick of the inequality and seeing guild funds only go to the core; good players all around), CrimsonJr (skill but no gear for the most part) and Valhalla/Absinthe (gear but no skill for the most part)

SinsSoul made and led the guild and specifically intended it to be a guild that could compete but split guild funds more fairly, which I can proudly say Dark has done to the best of it's ability to this day. ArmaniEx took over as director and for the most part handled things like TW. Myself and Wytche were then asked to lead seperate parts of TW that we'd done before, and when he left Armani assumed offense lead.

Dark was not created by Infamous. Hell, Dark has existed looooooooong before any of this: CJr and Dark once fought ages ago when Dark was really small. I'm sure a couple people actually have screenshots of this (red text saying CJr beat Dark or the "VICTORY" thingie).



The only reason Dark got along with Infamous is because the two do share similar qualities: we remember it's a game and just have fun with it, we don't take PK or the like uber serious and get butthurt over it, and we're both extremely pragmatic in our TW politics, remembering to act completely logically and not let ourselves and our plans be guided by emotion. Dark and Infamous aren't fighting right now, I promise you, because we both unofficially agree that it wouldn't benefit either of us: Dark wouldn't be able to win for some time and would lose it's lands whereas Infamous would be inviting a stack onto their doorsteps, something they couldn't handle. It's mutually assured destruction that's why we're not fighting at the moment, and it's because of our pragmatic viewpoints that we typically end up working alongside each other.



Wanna know something the most of the server doesn't? Last season, the moment Dark began winning vs. Crimson, I shot Ashez a note saying we should both focus on Infamous. Yeah, the exact moment a lot of people were complaining nobody tries anybody new as an ally and never switches sides, I was actually making an effort. Why? Because at this rate, Dark would simply achieve second place and Crimson would lose every land they had. Alternatively, Crimson could keep their lands and Dark could achieve first for the season.

You know what Ashez did? He ran and told Jekel. He forwarded him my letter. Oh, Jekel's never told me himself, but I know he did because Jekel didn't exactly pokerface that knowledge very well.

You know what ended up happening? We both stacked Crimson. Why? Why would we stack Crimson if Ashez -basically- just unofficially offered to stack Dark? Probably because Ashez just announced "LOL CRIMSON IS DISHONEST" to both myself and Jekel. He refused to keep it to himself even though I'd asked him to and had had private discussions with him in the past and he basically just announced to Jekel that he can't be trusted -at all-. It took him an amazing day or two to forward that lloollololol.
Yes, I tried to find a way for Dark to beat Infa for the season, but this was at the end of the season. Why WOULDN'T I if the goal is to win? I'm not gonna freaking backstab Infamous here and there just for lulz or for some personal reason, I did it when I did it because the clock was ticking and winning is the goal; that was the time and the moment to find out which of us two was more deserving of first, and the other could still retain second. If the positions were switched, I would've expected Infamous to do the exact same and wouldn't hold it against them; it's to be expected at the end.

So what was the result? We both stacked Crimson. The options for Dark were to either fight Infa and have no idea what the fight would be like OR continue fighting a guild that also provided a challenge and was good practice for skilled-but-inexperienced guildies, and the options for Infamous were to either continue stacking a guild that's two afraid to fight them and can't be trusted, or switch sides and stack one that entails more risk and is easier and more reliable to negotiate with. Hell, Infa even had the option to just stay out and pick on Mayhem.




You see my point there? Don't go crying at Infamous and Dark for often working together; you guys do it to yourselves. Mayhem was offered a rather luxurious neutrality package and turned it down "becuz we hate u guys becuz u take our lands." Yes genius, and if you'd accept the offer, we wouldn't take your lands. "No cuz how do we know we can trust you?" And you can trust Crimson...? Dude they've screwed Mayhem over royally at least twice, there's nothing trustworthy about them, but you've never even TRIED Dark or Infa. "No becuz we hate you." Zzzzzz.
And then Crimson? "Hey wanna fight Infa instead so you can keep your lands? Hell, it's likely they'd no-show you because they need to show us to win the season." Takes that offer and immediately announces they CANNOT be trusted and basically decides that a short-term potential prospect of stacking Dark is more valuable than having some integrity with both guilds. Lo and behold, we both opted to work with a trustworthy, reliable guild instead of risk working with Crimson.

So don't give me that "Dark is an Infa alt guild" **** just because we get along. We get along when we do because we're both on the same page in our negotiations and we both know exactly what to expect from each other. We don't get along with you, Crimson or anyone else not because we never try, but because every other guild lets grudges blind them and forgets that hey, this is a game and we're all normal, reasonable people playing it; you guys demonize us before we've even sat down at the negotiation table. FFS, I'm pretty sure half the reason Dark is demonized is for even associating (aka actually talking to each other) with Infamous; that's how much you demonize us and let emotions guide your leadership.


On that note, remember I said Wytche left Dark? You know why? Because for a brief two weeks or month or I forget what, Curses had an alt in Dark. I forget why since this wasn't at a time we were fighting Crimson or the like so there was no "help us win herpderp" there (think he and SinsSoul had simply been chatting a lot and she's usually ultra-friendly in that regard), but while many of us voiced disapproval (Kylin died BECAUSE it became accustomed to having alts and relying on them), Wytche reacted with outright refusal to be in the same guild as him. Yes, we had discussions where we said it's foolish to expect us to be fighting and beating Infa outright and we need to play smart, not emotionally, but he left all the same.
Fast forward to end of last season? Which guild was in the better position to actually beat Infamous and which guild blatantly refused an offer to get to work on Infamous because it was still seeing red from losing to Dark...?
Yeah, thinking emotionally gets you nowhere. Use your head.



So to answer your question why Dark is after Mayhem currently and why we fought Crimson in the past? You two pulled that trigger. You two provoked that fight. Not us. We gave both of you every opportunity to handle things differently, but when you basically both vow to fight against us, we have no time or resources to do anything but defend ourselves. Likewise, Infamous knows their one threat is a stack, so the moment they see us with any struggle to deal with, they offer neutrality because it benefits both of us. YOU did this, YOU brought this on yourselves, not us. Don't go screaming at Dark for refusing to fight Infamous, Crimson AND Mayhem at the same time, and hell don't go yelling at Infamous for refusing to leave you guys alone when they already friggin' offered.

Listen, I dunno where you're getting your history lessons from, but it's clearly from someone who doesn't know what the balls he's talking about. Next time you want a guild's history, try asking that guild directly.

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And if Cata really is splitting their entire TW between 5 people? Well then all the bandwagoners who joined "just to win" are idiots.

Cough.