Wizards skills need some tweaks

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Seriously?
>Will Surge and Badge cripple SoS/SoSt (ex: bait SoSt, Psychic switches to black voodoo to try to kill, stunned target uses Badge of Coursge and retaliate against the now squishier Psychic)

>We trade offense for defense when using White Voodoo. Wizards can keep an offensive no matter what barrier they use. Same for other arcanes with shield skills - Their offenses aren't hampered by them them (though venomancer fox-form is questionable)

It kinda works a similar for venomancers, yes. In fox form, venomancers can't really hurt anyone damage wise.
The damage of the attack skills is laughable and unless you have HA/LA build, your skills will miss anyway (though it appears they are making skills to hit regardless at the upcoming update).

The only "damage" skill to consider is Fossilized Curse but it's more effective if you're HA (and probably use ToP to up your HP, it's like a weaker version of arma..much weaker) but most venomancers being AA, will just use it for the debuffs.

On the other hand fox form has other uses..the debuffs...but if you're not fast/skilled/prepared enough the target may run away and your debuffs just got wasted!

I also hate SoS and SoSt but Psychics don't have any other way to up their defence unless they give up their attack power. A White Voodoo Psychic won't die but will most likely not kill you either.
To be fair though, I can only see if from the perspective of my class so I don't know how other classes deal with psychics. I also have a psychic so I quite know how they work.

At least you guys get free defensive buffs! Or ones that cost like 30chi and last a while. Archers get WoG that lasts 15seconds or Winged Shell that lasts one hit.

So sad for squishy defenceless archers b:surrender

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

you have range, purge, crit and control skills to kill and high evasion for surviving + buffs you named. Plus recently some really nice morai skills.
You're not supposed to get hit much. If you do, learn to use your assets.

Ursa. I was trolling. O.o

And is the same one as in Relic. You talk alot of pvp you should come join the pvp events

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think Drag is saying some skills aren't useful, because their cost to benefit ratio is too low, when compared with other wizard skills. I honestly don't know much about some of the more obscure wizard skills... are they obscure because they are too resource costly? I know I've seen the elemental invocation used effectively against me before in NW, where my chi went from 1.5 sparks to 0 when I was carrying flag and getting stun-locked. It seems like such a useful skill aught to be used more often... but maybe the 1 spark cost is just too high to every justify using it?

LOL @ the main point of this thread. You wizzys have massive p def and damage. you shouldnt complain. Adroit's first post was the most apt response I have ever read.

Try not to mock somebody just because English isn't their first language... so not classy.

To paraphrase: I think Drag is saying 'most wizard skills are ok, but some of the ones I'd like to use more often have cooldowns that are too long, or chi costs that are too high'.

Do I agree with this? I'm not sure. I haven't played a wizard all that much. However, I can't see a problem in, say, reducing a few cooldowns from 5 minutes to, say, 2 minutes.

The one idea I do disagree strongly with is increasing the duration of wizard sleep. 4 seconds is already enough time for wizards with any scrap of -channeling to shoot off an ulti or a spark combo. Making it even longer sounds a bit scary.

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and before someone says we are ok and dont need anything, not all wizzies are r9r +12 josd, im not, so when i find a better sharded/refined enemy, is not bad to also have a help

you cant judge a class fighting someone with better gears. if lets say you have to get a skill to fight +12 as +10, what will hapen when you will be +12 yourself?

moreover, everyclass has skills they dont use because they are too costly or not efficient enough

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Exactly THAT is the point of the post, whats wrong in wanting to have all usefull skills? if all classes has useless or costly skills, fix them too! i talk about wizzies cause they are the one i care about

dont think they care enough

Dragslave - Dreamweaver wrote: »

ok, im bored so im making a thread, besides i dont see many new wizzies threads,
so... even though wizzies are one of the highest hitting class in game, i still think we are pretty much screwed comparing to other classes, we have great 79 skills, but crappy 100 ones, morai and AEU are good, but some expensive to use, and since we are an aoe DD class, we could use at least one more ranged (chi free) hit like hailstorm...
So i was thinking something like:

Ice prison should cost 1 spark only, or decrease cooldown so we could spam it often
Yes
Elemental invocation either needs to cost no chi, or at least have decent damage.
Not really sure i understand you on that 1?
Manifest virtue, another useless skill, either take off chi cost, or at least make the increase worth it
I have that skill now i use it sometimes tho because of the long cool down.
Soporific whisper... either should last long, or better cast range, or less cooldown, one of those 3 please!
Amen!
Tactical and Mortal reversion should work in all maps, not only open map
pretty useless skills b:surrender
Will of the phoenix.... knockback to players too!!!! not fair mystics are the only ones who can abuse it
Maybe.
And about demon skills... BT should have a better effect... 50% chance of 2x damage???
I'm sage so n/a
any thoughts fellow wizzies?

I really like your suggestions +1 b:dirty

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Tactical and mortal reversion 'useless'... just lol. Do you have any idea how badly you label yourself 'noob' by saying this? The truth is, these skills are amazing when used properly.

Tactical is quite useless with all the not working in TW or NW thing, tbh. Mortal is nice but very eventual in NW and TW as well. Both are good for 1x1 mostly in open world pvp, which makes them kinda useless on a PVE server, though.

Breannak - Raging Tide wrote: »

Still doesn't change my opinion that they are useless.

Tactical and mortal reversions are AMAZING in PvP.. do you just pve or something?

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

Tactical and mortal reversions are AMAZING in PvP.. do you just pve or something?

Okay so I looked into it.b:surrender

I have both mortal/tactical reversion when I go pking doesn't seem to work, I guess its because higher soulforce, opponents have. So I'm go with your word on it Adroit that the 2 skill are good in pvp.

AshenSkies - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Your opinion is wrong.

Yes half of it was, again still can't use the skill where I would like to tho.

To Dragslave: My apologies for not gathering this information sooner.

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Fist+Adroit = 'the skills are very good when they work, but they don't work everywhere, which is annoying'.

@Adroit, can you see any good reasons for making sure they don't work in TW or NW? Do you think the skills were designed to not work in these instances, or was it accidental?

Well, mortal reversion does work everywhere, it is only tactical reversion that only works on the world map. I'm really not exactly sure why tactical wouldn't work in other instances, my best guess is that it is for balance reasons. I could just see things like in nw/tw where several wizards could keep reverting cata pullers or flag carriers back to back so they couldn't really get anywhere.. which would give wizards one of the best CC skills in the game (i.e. ranged nearly instant way to stop someone for 6 seconds that cannot be resisted by faith/anti stun, cannot be purified, and relatively low cd and cost) on top of already being an amazing DD. One of the weaknesses of wizards is the lack of CC, we have trouble stopping people if they are trying to run past us.. so if we were also the most capable class to say.. stop/slow an archer that is speeding anti-stunned to cap point with flag, I think other classes would be a little up in arms why they even exist. Anyway that is just a guess, but I think it does promote a little more teamwork when the support classes are the ones that stop/cc/amp a target, and the DD classes are really only able to DD. Obviously this isn't really as much an issue in world pvp, tactical reversion is primarily used to stop somebody from kiting out of range (kinda falls under something that you'd expect a DD class could do), but those instances where a large part of your team's job is to stop somebody from getting somewhere.. I could see why the devs disabled it.