Pure Tank BM Build?
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As said in title I would like to go Pure Tank with a Blademaster. I know the barbarians are the main tanks in PWI but this will be my main tank so I would rather it be of my own species lol (don't get me wrong I got a wolf barb of my own just not a tank, and I still don't care for the hole wolf turning into a tiger; Rather it be a wolf).
Pretty much all I want to know are which stats would be the best for a Pure Tank BM.
Pretty much all I want to know are which stats would be the best for a Pure Tank BM.
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"Pure tank" BM = your standard fist/axe bm. Vit BMs have no tankability because they have nothing to tank; all the aggro leaves
3 str 2 dex a level, 200 dex with APS gear on at 100, at least +7 armor, usually something like TT99 LA wrist/boots, G15 Lunar (for the pair that you WON'T G16; the G16 fodder should be TT) HA pants, TT99 HA belt/neck, +10 or above G16 fist/claw, demon, vit/mag based genie with str for mire, NEED cloud eruption, -interval tome
Because without that you won't hold aggro on jack****
Then if you're gonna squander a few billion, -int R8r chest and boots lets you get rid of TT99 orns and wrist/arm to be replaced by G14+ belt/orn and G16 HA wrist. At this point you should be soloing Emperor 3-3 no probs lol
For pulling, full G16 +7 at least with at least +5,6 mad def orns (Warsong or Jungle mdef belt, Cube mdef neck), G16+7 or above axes; you're still going to lose aggro to seekers, archers, psys and wizards in aoe, especially since you will be doubling their damage with your HF
2X phys lunar rings or 2 well refined CoA rings
EDIT: and I haven't seen a barb tank in ages; usually the sin or bm does bosses and seekers/archers tank mobs. Did see a +10 G16 fist r9rr aps barb hold aggro like a bauss in AEU thoughChannels
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »"Pure tank" BM = your standard fist/axe bm. Vit BMs have no tankability because they have nothing to tank; all the aggro leaves
3 str 2 dex a level, 200 dex with APS gear on at 100, at least +7 armor, usually something like TT99 LA wrist/boots, G15 Lunar (for the pair that you WON'T G16; the G16 fodder should be TT) HA pants, TT99 HA belt/neck, +10 or above G16 fist/claw, demon, vit/mag based genie with str for mire, NEED cloud eruption, -interval tome
Because without that you won't hold aggro on jack****
Then if you're gonna squander a few billion, -int R8r chest and boots lets you get rid of TT99 orns and wrist/arm to be replaced by G14+ belt/orn and G16 HA wrist. At this point you should be soloing Emperor 3-3 no probs lol
For pulling, full G16 +7 at least with at least +5,6 mad def orns (Warsong or Jungle mdef belt, Cube mdef neck), G16+7 or above axes; you're still going to lose aggro to seekers, archers, psys and wizards in aoe, especially since you will be doubling their damage with your HF
2X phys lunar rings or 2 well refined CoA rings
EDIT: and I haven't seen a barb tank in ages; usually the sin or bm does bosses and seekers/archers tank mobs. Did see a +10 G16 fist r9rr aps barb hold aggro like a bauss in AEU though
this seems good an all but wouldn't those stats also count for a DD and not just a tank? or are the dd's also the tank's now?
Its been over 2 years sense last I played so not sure what all has changed cuz back when I played the dd's and tanks were separate.0 -
+10 G16 sin trip spark with amp HF powerdash = near millions of damage per second (vile cannonfist orclord in warsong down in just over 1 spark, for example), vit builds will never hold aggro. Bloodpaint recovers 2% of that every second, in cleric BB with 50% invoke. You can see how vit builds can't tank anymore.
Yes, the high tier DPS are the tanks now (the +3 armor +7 dagger sins still die like flies though; I'm talking +7 armor +10 weapon tier dps); if you're a barb you get Stomp of the King AEU skill which can help a vit barb hold aggro for a bit but not for longChannels
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »+10 G16 sin trip spark with amp HF powerdash = near millions of damage per second (vile cannonfist orclord in warsong down in just over 1 spark, for example), vit builds will never hold aggro. Bloodpaint recovers 2% of that every second, in cleric BB with 50% invoke. You can see how vit builds can't tank anymore.
Yes, the high tier DPS are the tanks now (the +3 armor +7 dagger sins still die like flies though; I'm talking +7 armor +10 weapon tier dps); if you're a barb you get Stomp of the King AEU skill which can help a vit barb hold aggro for a bit but not for long
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »"Pure tank" BM = your standard fist/axe bm. Vit BMs have no tankability because they have nothing to tank; all the aggro leaves
3 str 2 dex a level, 200 dex with APS gear on at 100, at least +7 armor, usually something like TT99 LA wrist/boots, G15 Lunar (for the pair that you WON'T G16; the G16 fodder should be TT) HA pants, TT99 HA belt/neck, +10 or above G16 fist/claw, demon, vit/mag based genie with str for mire, NEED cloud eruption, -interval tome
Because without that you won't hold aggro on jack****
Then if you're gonna squander a few billion, -int R8r chest and boots lets you get rid of TT99 orns and wrist/arm to be replaced by G14+ belt/orn and G16 HA wrist. At this point you should be soloing Emperor 3-3 no probs lol
For pulling, full G16 +7 at least with at least +5,6 mad def orns (Warsong or Jungle mdef belt, Cube mdef neck), G16+7 or above axes; you're still going to lose aggro to seekers, archers, psys and wizards in aoe, especially since you will be doubling their damage with your HF
2X phys lunar rings or 2 well refined CoA rings
EDIT: and I haven't seen a barb tank in ages; usually the sin or bm does bosses and seekers/archers tank mobs. Did see a +10 G16 fist r9rr aps barb hold aggro like a bauss in AEU though
Smh first off you should never put on LA gear unless its the orns.
This all depends on what money you have to start about the cheapest way to 5 aps demon sparked is
2 pieces of TT99 HA [chest and boots would probably work. 2 tt99 LA ornaments [neck and belt, if you wanna tank DONT put on la as a main armor. You won't have to sacrifice precious phys. def for aps.] Get the g15 nirv pants and wrists [pants for interval, most tt90+ wrists come with -0.10 interval so the point to the g15 wrists is for the +5 attk lvl bonus]. Then g15 regicides [they hit hard, have 1.67 int and arent bound i dont think so you can always trade them later for g16 which is smart for the 40+ attack lvls with g16]. Then get accuracy rings [either mistys if you are near broke at this point, sign of frost chaos if you have the 40m x 2 to spare]. And the person also forgot the pw agent cape for another interval, its like 30-50m for a lunar glade trophy. Your helm is up to you i have forests wisdom which isnt the best but it has 500 base hp with +10 strength and vit. Warsoul is pretty costly.
By this point you should be 5 aps demon sparked. Don't forget free +30 attack lvl free fb charm. Add enough refines to survive but dont go crazy since none of this is end game gear unless you plan to farm a ton of money with it.
Then upgrade gear which this is where it is split on what you should get.
PVP server [if you choose to stay aps bm]
Full G16[being chest, pants, boots and wrist. keep ur cape or you lose even more interval], you will lose the -0.05 interval pants but you can replace with a interval tome when you have the money. You need to go g16 at least somewhat or you will continue to get one hit by spellcasters. This way wont even actually save you from that but you will be harder to kill.
PVE server
As stated above by the other poster r8r chest and boots with the interval is the way to go. You will have very high base aps. The only problem with going r8r on a pvp server is that the gears dont come close on the defense end between r8r and g16. Some say g16 armor has even better stats than r9r leaving only r9rr as the superior gear.
Shards- Well TheDan has a guide on this but ill reciprocate some things he said jades, vit stones,citrines.
Jade of steady defense adds 2 defense levels a shard so 4 sockets on each gear you will have 40 defense lvls give or take. Keep in mind a jade of steady defense is 204 m [on my server] so you really have to be ready to spend.
Stone of savant etc +10 vit if you wanna go down the vitality route. 60m each.
Citrines if you just dont have the coin for the ones above. Flawless are like 280k each, immaculate are like 400k.0 -
Toddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »Smh first off you should never put on LA gear unless its the orns.
This all depends on what money you have to start about the cheapest way to 5 aps demon sparked is
2 pieces of TT99 HA [chest and boots would probably work. 2 tt99 LA ornaments [neck and belt, if you wanna tank DONT put on la as a main armor. You won't have to sacrifice precious phys. def for aps.] Get the g15 nirv pants and wrists [pants for interval, most tt90+ wrists come with -0.10 interval so the point to the g15 wrists is for the +5 attk lvl bonus]. Then g15 regicides [they hit hard, have 1.67 int and arent bound i dont think so you can always trade them later for g16 which is smart for the 40+ attack lvls with g16]. Then get accuracy rings [either mistys if you are near broke at this point, sign of frost chaos if you have the 40m x 2 to spare]. And the person also forgot the pw agent cape for another interval, its like 30-50m for a lunar glade trophy. Your helm is up to you i have forests wisdom which isnt the best but it has 500 base hp with +10 strength and vit. Warsoul is pretty costly.
Ooph, bad advice is bad.
Never go LA ornies. Its been proven in multiple threads (most of them 3+ years old at this point since everyone who would bother doing the research learned this 3 years ago) but LA wrist/boots and decently refined ornies give you far better survivability. At +10 the HA offers a few hundred more hp but far less defense than a refined mdef neck/HA belt and thousands less pdef than a HA neck/belt combo. At endgame you'll have over 400 strength and thats a huge multiplier for those ornaments. Remember, even though magic damage is what hurts, about 95% of the hits you take as a bm will be phys, including 5 out of 6 attacks from most bosses.
As for the rest of the gear, Warsoul is good from 70-99 and can often be picked up for 10-20m decently refined. G15 Nirvana is your best offensive helm (combined with the G15 vana pants for +5 attack levels). Forest Wisdom offers better defenses but worse offense, and is untradable and outshined by the cheaper G16 helm. For rings, a perfect attendance offers more defense and damage than misty and is free. Band from Heaven's Jail is also a cheap and excellent ring.
Walpurga's advice is good. It also has the added bonus of being the sin aps gear set so your refines count towards both if account stashing. Once you get either -int r8r plate, a -int tome, or double -int claws you can start swapping pieces for either r9t3 or Cube necks or whatever. There are several reasons he says dd build. Keeping aggro is one. The second is a decent dps Bm will pull in 2-7k paint heals per second, plus 20% hp on sparks. Usually killing things before they hurt you is preferred to taking tons of damage while hardly dealing any. With meridians, titles, and the huge amount of decent endgame gear out there dd builds as tank are perfectly practical.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
To OP , a lil clarification here you planning on been tank in pve or hard to kill pvp?0
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A picture is worth a thousand wordsToddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »Smh first off you should never put on LA gear unless its the orns. Gawd, no, stahp
This all depends on what money you have to start about the cheapest way to 5 aps demon sparked is
2 pieces of TT99 HA [chest and boots would probably work. 2 tt99 LA ornaments [neck and belt, if you wanna tank DONT put on la as a main armor. You won't have to sacrifice precious phys. def for aps. YES! You need Pdef, so let's put on EVASION ORNAMENTS! If you can't read sarcasm then realize that refining HA orns will give you more defense than HA pieces ever will....lol. TT99 HA arm/feet give a total of 1686 pdef. LA Orns add nothing. LA arm/feet give a total of 723 pdef, HA belt and neck give a total of 576 pdef at +0. LA armor setup returns 1299 pdef at +0. At +5 ornaments, you already have a total of 1677 pdef from the LA arms HA orns setup. At +6 orns give you a total of 1797 with arm/feet. The defense from HA arm/feet are STATIC. The defense from LA arm/feet GROWS with refines. Furthermore, HA arm/feet give a total of 725 mdef. TT99 LA pieces give a total of 1120 off the bat. The HP difference at +10 is literally ~810 HP. Get it yet? While the LA arm BMs get tankier as they refine (+7 is EZPZ with tienkangs and tishas) your defense stays the crappy way it was at the start] Get the g15 nirv pants and wrists [pants for interval, most tt90+ wrists come with -0.10 interval so the point to the g15 wrists is for the +5 attk lvl bonus]. Then g15 regicides Regicides are G13; **Traceless Dimension is the Lunar G15; go for Windpour G13-->Ghost Vanquisher: Soulblast G15 TT route because 40 mil for a lunar insignia for Deicides is not worth it lol. [they hit hard, have 1.67 int wtb> your claws with -1.67 int lol and arent bound i dont think so you can always trade them later for g16 Or you can, you know, run warsong and make G16 yourself?which is smart for the 40+ attack lvls with g16]. Then get accuracy rings [either mistys if you are near broke at this point, sign of frost chaos if you have the 40m x 2 to spare]. And the person also forgot the pw agent cape for another interval, its like 30-50m for a lunar glade trophy. Your helm is up to you i have forests wisdom which isnt the best but it has 500 base hp with +10 strength and vit. Warsoul is pretty costly. wtf, warsoul of earth is 20mil max. G16 helmet is 40-50mil max. GTFO with the OHT ****; those are outdated ****s from a different era
By this point you should be 5 aps demon sparked Should have been 5aps the moment you got your G13 claws, TT99 and G15. Don't forget free +30 attack lvl free fb charm. Add enough refines to survive but dont go crazy since none of this is end game gear unless you plan to farm a ton of money with it.
Then upgrade gear which this is where it is split on what you should get.
PVP server [if you choose to stay aps bm]
Full G16[being chest, pants, boots and wrist. keep ur cape or you lose even more interval], you will lose the -0.05 interval pants but you can replace with a interval tome when you have the money. You need to go g16 at least somewhat or you will continue to get one hit by spellcasters. This way wont even actually save you from that but you will be harder to kill. Your G16 set should be separate anyways, except for helmet and chest if you're not into R8r -int
PVE server
As stated above by the other poster r8r chest and boots with the interval is the way to go. You will have very high base aps. The only problem with going r8r on a pvp server is that the gears dont come close on the defense end between r8r and g16. Some say g16 armor has even better stats than r9r leaving only r9rr as the superior gear.
Shards- Well TheDan has a guide on this but ill reciprocate some things he said jades, vit stones,citrines.
TheDan also said gtfo with LA orns
Jade of steady defense adds 2 defense levels a shard so 4 sockets on each gear you will have 40 defense lvls give or take. Keep in mind a jade of steady defense is 204 m [on my server] so you really have to be ready to spend.
Stone of savant etc +10 vit if you wanna go down the vitality route. 60m each.
Citrines if you just dont have the coin for the ones above. Flawless are like 280k each, immaculate are like 400k. You getting ripped off; 14 tokens for a flawless at 13K a token is 182KChannels
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Yo, we bm need AA ornaments. Imagine being able to do all yours skills 0.1 second quicker, because of -chan. Imagine the 400k~900k hits landing quicker with the axes. I recommend full -chan gear and r9 3rd cast axes+12 to be a tank b:shutup0
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Okay before you try to put me on blast everything you said was wrong.
1st off you had the crappiest advice ever tbh OH YEAH LETS JUST PULL 300M RIGHT OUT FOR A INTERVAL TOME. Idiot. You just shouldn't put on LA in the first place, but if you are dumb enough to +6 your tt99 i suppose I shouldn't expect much intelligence from you anyways.
Oh yeah every full tt99 person running around can go solo warsong. Idiot. Some people with full g16 die on that idk how dumbed down warsong is on your server.
Well maybe warsoul is that cheap on your server but not on mine you are lucky to find a completely none refined warsoul for under 30 mil. While to make a forest wisdom that is 15m. Also this whole starter advice was to get gears to start up and then work up. So that would depend on what server this person is on and same with the tokens idiot DIFFERENT SERVERS HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES THEY ARE 19K-22K EACH ON MY SERVER.
Oh really now you should of been 5 aps right when you have the tt99, g13 claws and nirv? WRONG I have that EXACT set up on my bm and i am 2.86 aps WITH CAPE. So actually that set up is 2.86 aps Minus the cape if you meant cape added on then yes thats 5 aps GOOD JOB but thats not what you meant so. Stop talking like you know anything about anything.
Then on to your comment about the g16 gear sure you can run around with aps gear if you are an idiot? anything on but at least 4 pieces of the g16= insta death from a caster. That's also why your r8r suggestion was stupid also but since you decided to pick on me ill throw it right back at you.0 -
Toddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »Okay before you try to put me on blast everything you said was wrong.
1st off you had the crappiest advice ever tbh OH YEAH LETS JUST PULL 300M RIGHT OUT FOR A INTERVAL TOME. Idiot. You just shouldn't put on LA in the first place, but if you are dumb enough to +6 your tt99 i suppose I shouldn't expect much intelligence from you anyways.
Oh yeah every full tt99 person running around can go solo warsong. Idiot. Some people with full g16 die on that idk how dumbed down warsong is on your server.
Well maybe warsoul is that cheap on your server but not on mine you are lucky to find a completely none refined warsoul for under 30 mil. While to make a forest wisdom that is 15m. Also this whole starter advice was to get gears to start up and then work up. So that would depend on what server this person is on and same with the tokens idiot DIFFERENT SERVERS HAVE DIFFERENT PRICES THEY ARE 19K-22K EACH ON MY SERVER.
Oh really now you should of been 5 aps right when you have the tt99, g13 claws and nirv? WRONG I have that EXACT set up on my bm and i am 2.86 aps WITH CAPE. So actually that set up is 2.86 aps Minus the cape if you meant cape added on then yes thats 5 aps GOOD JOB but thats not what you meant so. Stop talking like you know anything about anything.
Then on to your comment about the g16 gear sure you can run around with aps gear if you are an idiot? anything on but at least 4 pieces of the g16= insta death from a caster. That's also why your r8r suggestion was stupid also but since you decided to pick on me ill throw it right back at you.
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"1st off you had the crappiest advice ever tbh OH YEAH LETS JUST PULL 300M RIGHT OUT FOR A INTERVAL TOME. Idiot. You just shouldn't put on LA in the first place, but if you are dumb enough to +6 your tt99 i suppose I shouldn't expect much intelligence from you anyways. "
You don't have to put on a tome at first. Tome is what you go for when your gear is done and you're preparing to move to G16 weapon
I just proved to you that LA + HA orns give more defense than HA + LA orns. Do I need to do it again?
Oh, so +6 on your TT99 pieces is dumb? You must be set up like one of those squish BMs I kill with autoattacks with a G16+3 bow lol; or one of those bms that die on a half metal pull from aoes. +7 everything or gtfo, especially your ornaments
"Oh yeah every full tt99 person running around can go solo warsong. Idiot. Some people with full g16 die on that idk how dumbed down warsong is on your server."
When the **** did I say that? Who the **** would solo full warsong anyways? Badges are by quest
Wait you mean pavs? You can't even do pavs with TT99/G15/TT90 chest lol? Holy ****, not even earth or water? If you're that bad...that's your problem.
"Oh really now you should of been 5 aps right when you have the tt99, g13 claws and nirv? WRONG I have that EXACT set up on my bm and i am 2.86 aps WITH CAPE. So actually that set up is 2.86 aps Minus the cape if you meant cape added on then yes thats 5 aps GOOD JOB but thats not what you meant so. Stop talking like you know anything about anything."
Claw base interval = 1.43 = 0.7s interval between attacks
-0.10 arm
-0.05 LA bonus
-0.05 HA bonus
-0.05 G15
-0.05 cape
-0.10 weapon
= -0.4
0.7-0.4 = 0.3s interval between attacks
1/0.3 = 3.3333333... atk per second = 3.33 aps base
Here's a picture:
I think I just assumed everyone would be intelligent enough to realize that WHEN YOU SWAP TO YOUR PVE APS SET YOU PUT ON THE INTERVAL CAPE, lol
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Then on to your comment about the g16 gear sure you can run around with aps gear if you are an idiot? anything on but at least 4 pieces of the g16= insta death from a caster. That's also why your r8r suggestion was stupid also but since you decided to pick on me ill throw it right back at you."
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »"Pure tank" BM = your standard fist/axe bm. Vit BMs have no tankability because they have nothing to tank; all the aggro leaves
3 str 2 dex a level, 200 dex with APS gear on at 100, at least +7 armor, usually something like TT99 LA wrist/boots, G15 Lunar (for the pair that you WON'T G16; the G16 fodder should be TT) HA pants, TT99 HA belt/neck, +10 or above G16 fist/claw, demon, vit/mag based genie with str for mire, NEED cloud eruption, -interval tome
Because without that you won't hold aggro on jack****
Then if you're gonna squander a few billion, -int R8r chest and boots lets you get rid of TT99 orns and wrist/arm to be replaced by G14+ belt/orn and G16 HA wrist. At this point you should be soloing Emperor 3-3 no probs lol
For pulling, full G16 +7 at least with at least +5,6 mad def orns (Warsong or Jungle mdef belt, Cube mdef neck), G16+7 or above axes; you're still going to lose aggro to seekers, archers, psys and wizards in aoe, especially since you will be doubling their damage with your HF
2X phys lunar rings or 2 well refined CoA rings
EDIT: and I haven't seen a barb tank in ages; usually the sin or bm does bosses and seekers/archers tank mobs. Did see a +10 G16 fist r9rr aps barb hold aggro like a bauss in AEU though
I have this gear build.
-0.10 arm
-0.05 LA bonus
-0.05 HA bonus
-0.05 G15
-0.05 cape
-0.10 weapon
In the blue paragraphs above would I need both those gear sets to tank depending on what I'm tanking? I have most of my APS +6 and want to get to +10. But I hadn't focused on a second set of gear for tanking.0 -
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Uh yea if you think a bm needs that kind of gear to pull you so haven't seen me in action on my bm, I was pulling full deltas back when they were at auras in g12/g13 **** gear. (no higher than +5, and I wasn't even charmed.) Hell even in ws's it's possible to pull with a bm with that g12/g13 gear, albeit you wont be able to do full pulls, you can do 1 group at a time/smaller groups until you can handle bigger pulls. However, do NOT misjudge what your squad can handle, just because you or the barb can handle the large pulls, it does NOT mean others in squad will be able too.Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »"Pure tank" BM = your standard fist/axe bm. Vit BMs have no tankability because they have nothing to tank; all the aggro leaves
3 str 2 dex a level, 200 dex with APS gear on at 100, at least +7 armor, usually something like TT99 LA wrist/boots, G15 Lunar (for the pair that you WON'T G16; the G16 fodder should be TT) HA pants, TT99 HA belt/neck, +10 or above G16 fist/claw, demon, vit/mag based genie with str for mire, NEED cloud eruption, -interval tome
Because without that you won't hold aggro on jack****
Then if you're gonna squander a few billion, -int R8r chest and boots lets you get rid of TT99 orns and wrist/arm to be replaced by G14+ belt/orn and G16 HA wrist. At this point you should be soloing Emperor 3-3 no probs lol
For pulling, full G16 +7 at least with at least +5,6 mad def orns (Warsong or Jungle mdef belt, Cube mdef neck), G16+7 or above axes; you're still going to lose aggro to seekers, archers, psys and wizards in aoe, especially since you will be doubling their damage with your HF
2X phys lunar rings or 2 well refined CoA rings
EDIT: and I haven't seen a barb tank in ages; usually the sin or bm does bosses and seekers/archers tank mobs. Did see a +10 G16 fist r9rr aps barb hold aggro like a bauss in AEU though
Also you should see me while I am on my barb, I actually try to tank with it, and most of the time everyone lives. Granted it is often far easier to just let someone else tank if they can hold aggro + take the damage.
As far as the ornaments go though, I fully agree with you, HA ornies FTW especially since they refine for physical defense, and the la ornies refine for evasion, (lol) I believe? (EDIT!: Ornaments is where we ALL get our true defenses from since our armor only refines for more hp, and not anything else, where ornaments, and rings refine for magic def, physical def, or evasion.)
One more thing as you pointed out r8r gear does have -int on it, but it is REALLY hard and expensive going for -int on each of the pieces your after.
EDIT: I am also in agreement about the stats, however if you wanted you could stop at 188 or 193 dex to equip the g16 fist, and/or claws. (One takes 188 dex, the other 193.) Though if you do decide to throw in a bit of vit to that build (I did it and do quite fine especially in pve) it does add to your magical defense, but really it isn't so much that it is arguably quite better to just pour what points you wanted to into strength instead of vit. (Even I plan on restating away from 70 vit when my gear is refined more on my bm, but right now my bm/it's account has been put on the back burner so to speak, and the gear it has more than suffices for pve.)Toddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »
Then on to your comment about the g16 gear sure you can run around with aps gear if you are an idiot? anything on but at least 4 pieces of the g16= insta death from a caster. That's also why your r8r suggestion was stupid also but since you decided to pick on me ill throw it right back at you.
There is far worse choices for mass pvp than r8r, but yea it is generally bad to run around in r8r in mass pvp. As for NEEDING 4 pieces of g16... to not be an instant death to a caster... yea... you don't have to be that... I had 2 pieces of g16, and not even I was a instant death to 'all' casters, sure the ones that obviously vastly outgeared me I was, and still am a 1 shot to those, but point is not all caster can 1 shot bms, but still they do have a lot of invaluable unmistakeable innate advantages over bms, that make a bm's life a complete nightmare while in MASS pvp.Ah, Mistakes are so easily made. ~ laura resnick
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I was of the idea that, while BM's could tank, that was/is the barb job.
BM's are damage dealers.
OFC BM'S are excellent to do lots of stuff solo/tanking , with the right setup.0 -
Mezagis - Lost City wrote: »I was of the idea that, while BM's could tank, that was/is the barb job.
BM's are damage dealers.
OFC BM'S are excellent to do lots of stuff solo/tanking , with the right setup.
bms are support class
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@Silvaf Delta is easy, lol. Delta is 85+; I'm talking about real pulls, like say Lunar, half-full metal, etc
I mean 200 dex with gear on. My BM will stop at 180 base, might drop it to 160 since it will use G15 LA pants because I'm lazy and share with sin and archer anyways
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Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »@Silvaf Delta is easy, lol. Delta is 85+; I'm talking about real pulls, like say Lunar, half-full metal, etc
I mean 200 dex with gear on. My BM will stop at 180 base, might drop it to 160 since it will use G15 LA pants because I'm lazy and share with sin and archer anyways
@ OP: fap to this build lol (ring carries engraves on both rings + neck engraves. There is also Helm + Cape engrave)
It is possible to do those pulls too with the gear I mention, albeit it is much harder/you have to have apo help... still it is possible.
Aye delta is easy when you actually know what the **** your doing.
I can't count how many times I had to pull on my bm because the barb couldn't, nor can I count how many times I was told a lot of bms really sucked, especially when compared to me. (Their words paraphrased of course)
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BMs pretty much habe the second highest damage potential, serious aoe potential (lol at the seeker out DDing with vortex. Maybe for the fist few seconds after that it's too close to call.) and honestly at endgame are the best pullers. Granted, I'm talking about endgame.
If you have decent gear then the only person that should out dd you is a very well geared sin or an even better bm. If the sin is so well geared (G16 +8 or better or r9t3 +7) then they should also be able to tank just about anything.
As for pulling, we were pulling in TT99 back in the day. Now there is G16, so tanking any current material really isn't a problem. I much prefer pulling on my bm because I have 27 anti-stun seconds and magic marrow to boost my mdef to 22k, while my barb has like 11k mdef and 10 seconds anti-stun. My BMs aoes also can generate thousands of hp heals a second, much better than a barbs.
As said in the first few posts, tanking is more about aggro than defenses. Barbs stop being able reliably hold aggro after only about 100k (unless aps barbs). A G16 BM should generate over 200k dps, and a G16 sin around 230k. Sunder+Arma combos are great but barbs kind of run out of spammable aoes. The idea is that things die before they lose aggro, but with huge hp mobs (1m+ hp) it helps to have aoe spam over time and thats where BMs come in. This need for damage to help aggro means our stat builds also have to be dd.
Avoid evasion ornies. Walpurga showed the math, they make fail BMs that go squish. Also, have two sets of armor and put them on hotkeys. If aoeing, use your tank set (or pvp). If apsing use your aps set.Seven 100+ characters leveled the hard way. Free to play. Mystic, Psychic, and Wizard left to level. b:victory0 -
" you need at least 4 pieces g16 armor or insta death by caster"
Not true at all. You speak as if every caster in the game has a r9rr weapon. Which if thats the case even 4 pieces of g16 won't save you. Every caster is different and each weapon is different.
I love when people generalize so much.
Also nice job avoiding that you didn't mention a interval cape at all and you still said you will be 5aps and then you added in cape in your formula to act as if you did. No you actually said tt99/nirv/wrists you would be 5aps and i proved you wrong.
Then nice job saying you would whoop me or w.e, I've put much better armored bm's to shame so bring it. On these forums everyone speaks as if gears are everything its ,
70% gear / 20% skill/ 10% luck as a bm.
I beat g16 casters with full tt90 and g13 claws and crappy skills for god sakes if you catch them off guard stun, aps, occult ice, mo zun, oceans edge, smack, stun, tm, aps, finish its over.
But if they see you coming you will die, and if the bm sucks that doesnt help either.
And that's with my gear i know you high gear bm's who cs and stuff need not worry about actually knowing anything.
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toddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »" You Need At Least 4 Pieces G16 Armor Or Insta Death By Caster"
Not True At All. You Speak As If Every Caster In The Game Has A R9rr Weapon. Which If Thats The Case Even 4 Pieces Of G16 Won't Save You. Every Caster Is Different And Each Weapon Is Different.toddloveleah - Harshlands wrote: »okay Before You Try To Put Me On Blast Everything You Said Was Wrong.
1st Off You Had The Crappiest Advice Ever Tbh Oh Yeah Lets Just Pull 300m Right Out For A Interval Tome. Idiot. You Just Shouldn't Put On La In The First Place, But If You Are Dumb Enough To +6 Your Tt99 I Suppose I Shouldn't Expect Much Intelligence From You Anyways.
Oh Yeah Every Full Tt99 Person Running Around Can Go Solo Warsong. Idiot. Some People With Full G16 Die On That Idk How Dumbed Down Warsong Is On Your Server.
Well Maybe Warsoul Is That Cheap On Your Server But Not On Mine You Are Lucky To Find A Completely None Refined Warsoul For Under 30 Mil. While To Make A Forest Wisdom That Is 15m. Also This Whole Starter Advice Was To Get Gears To Start Up And Then Work Up. So That Would Depend On What Server This Person Is On And Same With The Tokens Idiot Different Servers Have Different Prices They Are 19k-22k Each On My Server.
Oh Really Now You Should Of Been 5 Aps Right When You Have The Tt99, G13 Claws And Nirv? Wrong I Have That Exact Set Up On My Bm And I Am 2.86 Aps With Cape. So Actually That Set Up Is 2.86 Aps Minus The Cape If You Meant Cape Added On Then Yes Thats 5 Aps Good Job But Thats Not What You Meant So. Stop Talking Like You Know Anything About Anything.
Then On To Your Comment About The G16 Gear Sure You Can Run Around With Aps Gear If You Are An Idiot? anything On But At Least 4 Pieces Of The G16= Insta Death From A Caster. That's Also Why Your R8r Suggestion Was Stupid Also But Since You Decided To Pick On Me Ill Throw It Right Back At You.
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