Can't decide: veno or mystic alt for pvp

Veno if you're just 1v1 cause purge and shet.
Mystic for mass pvp cause they're sexy as balls.

Archers are the main nemesis with their dirty purge bow.

Hope I helpedb:victory

Hard to say to be honest because it would depend on what you enjoy playing the most. I can only comment about venomancers.

I like venomancers the most because of debuffs and purge, you generally mess around with the enemy.

In terms of 1v1 it would depend on the cultivation for venomancers. Against most classes the demon has an advantage because of their amps but in some cases such as against an assassin sage one has the upper hand.
Against another veno, it would depend on the cultivation. A sage venomancer with faith genie is almost guaranteed to win against demon (purify ironwood, faith nova, if chi drain sage can recover faster). If they have normal genie then it might just be whoever lands/resists stunlocks first. Demon against demon would be the same thing.

I realize you may take my input with a grain of salt, but still here's my opinion on the matter. ^^

To be honest I can see you being on a veno, and having more fun than on the mystic.

Both classes can definitely be a big nuisance/great asset to your squad when they're played correctly.

Honestly, I have not found a use for mystics. If you want a challenge, you can explore the class and find a good use for them, maybe that could be interesting for you as well as a lot of people.

The problem with that though of course, is there are barely anyone who knows what mystics can do either, so it could be hard to find too many worthy opponents.

Yes Desdi, venos are capable of so much more!

Heliophobia - Sanctuary wrote: »

If you go demon veno you can run away at.. roughly 10.4m/s

b:laugh

Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I'll smack you < that's not the only things venomancers can do.

To be fair she... or he did say "main job" I doubt she (or he) thinks that is all they can do.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

It's not the only thing veno can do, but it's the only thing people expect from veno in mass PVP.

Sad but true. EDIT: Albeit I also expect them to sick their pets on me if they have the chance, they're sneaky like that. :P

Nibaki - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Well, I'm currently going to start leveling some alts through pure questing.

Barb, Wizard, Psychic, Mystic. Gonna start with the mystic first. I really wanted to make one because it seems they're really lacking in this game. Nobody wants to play one it seems, lol. I'm leveling all these mainly to get a feel for the classes and try them all out in nation wars. I wish you luck for whichever you choose b:victory

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Desdi - Sanctuary wrote: »

I know that's what people expect venomancers to do, it's been like that since the very beginning, but they are also mistaken because then they "teach" their venomancers to only do that instead giving their full support to the squad.

I only smacked helio because I know her in-game and was just a friendly smack lol.

But on another note:



Crush Vigor + Chi Burn (+ Mo Zun's Taunt) should be added to the main job, myriads as well as CC with Nova so my point still stands :P

I actually don't care though, the more people underestimate the class, the better for me!

Aye and chi burn is REALLY insanely underpriced... (at least it was/is last i checked on DW) it's crazy how useful that skill seems like it could/would be especially against classes you know can't do much at all without some major chi usage. (not to mention the takeaway of everyone's ulti for a bit. (mo zun taunt is so an way underated skill as well. So few demon people use it in mass pvp... or at least they don't here on dreamweaver.) (Add in a genie with the skill chi siphon, and watch as people QQ about you stealing all their chi away... major combo effect.... RAWR. Though yes chi siphon will eventually give it back, but stealing all that chi away from someone just seems so... badass)

It's my pleasure to see people cry as they see their chi disappear b:cute

Enough off topic though xD but I think you should try both a little and see which one of the two you find more interesting.

I can count on one hand the number of endgame mystics on my server who are capable of fully utilizing the class. The class has been figured out, but there's no one around for us to teach because of lack of gear/skill capacity.
If you look in the right places and ask the right people you'll learn a lot. These forums are often toxic when it comes to mystic information. The main reason i started posting in the pwi forum was to shut down all the shet info i was seeing offered.

venos have a major pvp potential respect mystics, who imo are a full support class

i've seen a demon veno hitting a r9r3+12josd seeker 36k enough said

those purge + amp + breaks + demon ironwood + the fox form "stone barrier"
those can make a skilled veno a real pain in the ***

i've never played a veno so i may be mistaken, but i shoot this right here:

amp-> purge-> demon ironwood-> nova-> wukong\nix autoatks\bleed OPPPPPP

b:laugh

Maxster had some amazing responses for the mystic side.

To be perfectly honest, it really depends on your playstyle. I hate to say it comes down to that, but any class vs. class choice kinda comes down to that.

Because I have limited mystic experience, I would refer back to Maxter's post. Only things I would add to that are telling you about what makes mystics I fight difficult, since I have more experience fighting them than playing them.
Mystics have some insanely powerful abilities, some which bypass def levels and such, and others that plain out smack you for a lot of damage. What gets me the most are : antistuns--they can sacrifice their pet at any time to gain antistun and some other buff for a couple seconds, only to summon it right back with little to no penalty. They might also have more, but that is the one I see most frequently used.
control skills--they can seal and freeze by themselves, their devil can stun, and their blossoms can sleep spam. Combined with their heal which can put them at full hp in one go, they can be really annoying to kill. b:surrender
defense+heals--they can have a blossom heal them even when they are locked in stun, or have salvation keep a powerful damage shield on them, or have falling petals so they gain hp while being attacked. If they are r9rr, their purify on weapon makes them even harder to kill.
In addition, they also cast faster than venos typically, so can often throw more spells than you in a given time.

Anyways, those are some of the pros for mystic. Mystics played right are pretty awesome, ijs.

But why would I still go for veno?
Several reasons. Besides the fact that I just plain out love my veno. \o/
a) Versatility. No "you're a noob if you don't go full mag". No "you should only use these skills". No "venos are only good for this role". Sure, people really underestimate us, and sadly so many venos are dismissed because their squad does not actually understand that we are so much more amazing than a simple purge/amp bot.
We have versatility of build--my veno is a HA/AA; I take full advantage of both fox skills and human skills. I laugh when bms and sins attack me, then laugh when they run away and get their psy/wiz friends to attack me--I just switch armor sets and they don't know how to get me. Besides, watching someone 100+ aps themselves to death on your HA bramble is just funny. On barbs, I giggle as I use leech to get back all the dmg they can do to me. And I still do hefty magic DD.

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We have versatility in role. As a powerful solo class, I can run many instances alone that usually take a squad. But even with a squad, I can do any amount of roles. In one frost/fc run, where I was running with a new squad, I was doing group mob pulls, pulling single shades and killing those, tanking, healing when my pet tanked, debuffing, lending sparks to needy clerics, and doing some hefty DD, all the while teaching my squad how the instance and bosses worked.
And though it really is not part of our immense versatility, I love how we are not confined to one look, but can be foxies, kitties, bats, deer, or bunnies. b:cute Also, having a large choice of pets is just so fun!! I love my each of my pets--they're not just for battle, they are friends and aesthetically reflect the veno, too. b:pleased
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b) Squad usefulness. As mentioned above, we can help a squad in many, many ways. We have great functions as a support class, and can give sparks to allies, curse and debuff enemies, heal any allied pets, and so forth, allowing us to be invaluable to a squad that knows the worth of venos. In a PvP world where having a squad could mean life or death, being able to support said squad is amazing.

c) Speed. Not really a huge point, but I would point out that it is much more fun to run in those huge NW maps at 8+ m/s than it is at 4.9, or whatever a mystic is limited to without holy path. b:chuckle

d) Damage. Not the biggest pro, but certainly not a con. We can have huge spike damage with our patakas. In addition, the sage veno spark gives more attack than any other class spark, at a whopping 900% additional weapon damage. This can be the added DD you need to take a tank down.

e) We can also stunlock, if played right, though our stuns usually are in the forms of seals/freezes. I think I saw something about a stunlock on Arty's PvP veno thread.

f) Unique and powerful skills. Instead of needing a weapon to purge, we can purge from level 13 up (oh, and did I mention that you can purge someone's spark?). We can also give sparks, which no other class can do. We can curse our enemies, and drop their chi from 4 sparks to 1 spark in a heartbeat. We have an 'ironguard' skill for "oh ****" moments when your cleric is down and you are taking all the fire. We have reflect skills, making it possible for a sin to kill themselves on you while you do nothing. =P We can manipulate our own hp/mp, switching between charm ticks to basically give you a secondary charm in tough moments (we can also restore 50-60% of our hp/mp with one skill tap as well, no cost!). Furthermore, we can, with certain genies, switch the enemy hp/mp, meaning that if you drain their mana, you can knock a 40k barb from full hp to 10 hp in the blink of an eye. Trust me, that freaks them out. b:laugh

g) Being ganked. We also have a ton of ganking survivability. With 2 damage reduction skills and 1 immunity skill, even without a genie we can tank much longer than most would expect someone without heals. Granted, the mystic can heal, but if both a veno and a mystic are stunlocked, a veno with hood/barrier up will certainly last longer.

In summary (tl;dr version):
I would choose veno for PvP because they are more versatile, unpredictable, and uniquely equipped for PvP. Super high spike damage and survivability are the other particularly notable pros.

Hope that helps! If you have any questions about what I wrote or veno class, feel free to let me know!

I didn't but I'll never forgive you for what you said! just kidding though