Morai 101 weapons VS g16

Go to pwdatabase.com, compare weapon ranges, weapon add-ons (might consider combining 60 lvl slaying wep with g16 armor), then compare defenses, add-ons, and set bonuses.. the answer should be obvious even for PVE.

Morai weapons (and armor) were a viable choice for people only interested in PvE but G16 Nirvana is so cheap nowadays that there's not much of a point not to get it. It's probably nice for a cheap weapon/armor for an alt (say you have Mystic main but Barb alt so different weapon types) but if it's main I'd say Nirvana.

Whilst Morai one has more slaying levels, G16 Nirvana has a much higher base attack and if you ever decide to PvP you don't need to invest in a whole new weapon (and/or armor).

byekunr wrote: »

Seeker's have a no-bound TT sword, that will turn into no-bound G16. I used both, Morai 101 and G16 and besides the add's be quite different, the damage was pretty much the same.
The morai fee's is high, I think you should go for G16 no-bound sword as a Seeker.

unrefined they may be similar damage, but remember morai refines for 13.3% less, after the first few refines the morai falls behind g16 unless you have a large amount of attack levels from other gear

Lunar gives badges too so if going Warsong is not possible, you could try doing Lunar instead.

cassie5th wrote: »

From what my pocket allow me atm i think ill go for something around +5 on every armor/access/weap and then ill see how my luck with money will go.
So for some time i dont really have to think what will happen at very high refine

The prob about g16 is to farm all the badges required to make them, atm im not so sure that my main can do full warsongs to get all the badges/molds in some decent time, only doing bouny hunter and so...and to make all the g16 set take forever

I didn't get it. You want a PVE char, but you don't want to farm with it? I think it was one of the best times I had on PWI, when i used to farm my own gear.

When I farmed my Morai sword, I did it cuz back then G16 worth 120-140m against 17-20m (Morai). Now is practically the same price. b:pleased

It's true, you can do just fine with Morai 101, but Morai is a dead-end and bound.
Even if you don't think about PVP or high refines, G16 is no-bound with a higher damage, better refine and allow you to PVP or resell it later if you want to. b:victory

The advantage I always saw in the rroai stuff is that you can easily farm it on your own. And you can reroll it very cheap for the stats you want. Not a bad idea for a barb or someone who prefers vit and wont pk P:

Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I use my Morai G15 over my G16 for PVE currently.
Mostly because it's got 2 sockets and better add-on stats. I guess it also helps that I've already got additional attack levels to multiply with the slaying levels due to armor bonuses and Black Voodoo since the damage is pretty...similar.

It was stated on the forums somewhere too concerning PVE damage (by a pretty reliable source) that slaying lvls combine better with attack lvls (example: morai slaying wep with attack lvl bonuses) than attack lvls combine with other attack lvls. Not sure if that's still the case but if someone only does PVE this idea should be explored too.

That's just my view concerning the PVE aspect.. I would never rule out PVP so by my own subjective logic I'd still go with n3 in case one changes their mind. Obviously slaying wep will be terrible for PVP in comparison.

Warding and Slaying levels stack(multiply) with attack levels and defense levels to make up the lower stats,base dmg, refine rate ect. It was calculated some time back that an equally refined level 101 Morai weapon could equal or exceed(with right stats and attack levels) the DPS capability of R9 (First stage) in PvE, just like G15 Niv with the right stats could do the same. This was more on sins that I posted about myself with my experiences.

Not all classes may have a good benefit from the gear, say like Clerics. The slaying levels did nothing for their heals and I think some posted there was a very large difference trying to heal with a morai weapon(it sucked even at higher refines 6+). Other instances like bm's and barb could benefit. Cata Barbs with the ability to add 1050 Hp for a very low cost compared R8R(at the time) and G15 Niv reroll's. And I talked to several BM's that dumped their R8 or G15 Niv gear for G15 morai in most pve instances because it gave them better defenses.


A lot of people try to compare just the price of Morai to G16 Niv. Yes G16 Niv is pretty much farmable from G15 to G16, but the price of making G13 Niv gear in the first place has not(aside raps and cannies). Those that can not farm all the mats to make TT99 or Lunar gold quickly much less the funds to buy the mats outright may opt to getting Morai gear. I can not remember off hand the prices of Morai gear, but I do think it comes out cheaper.

In the end Morai gear is pretty decent gear for the casual pwi player, but if they want to compete at a higher level in NW or TW or even PK they will need to go to the next level and Morai is a good start.

cassie5th wrote: »

well not planning to do tw, nw, pw or whatever similar.
need to equip the chars for bh, instances, things with guildies and so. thats why i got this worm in my mind about going g15 morai on the toons that can have some advantage from that.

sin is not going cause of -int
bm only axe IF they are better then g16, rest is required for -int too
seek, veno, myst, psy could be full g15 morai IF again...and here come the need to think about some -chan on the caster

not going to use barb/cler/wiz/archer

and yes, make the full g15 morai its lot cheaper then the g16, but that not really a problem. with jollies some money income will be done with time.
im worried only about how it good or bad works playing with it.

Yeah with sins, you only need the dagger, but tbh its a waste of coins for little gains over the cheaper R8 dagger and you will have r8 anyway for the -10 int on chest.

same with bm's if you go aps

with a psy, it already has high chan to begin so there is no real loss for choosing morai over anything else.

with your other toons, i just cant say tbh i have not played any to level high enough to use morai gear

cassie5th wrote: »

well not planning to do tw, nw, pw or whatever similar.
need to equip the chars for bh, instances, things with guildies and so. thats why i got this worm in my mind about going g15 morai on the toons that can have some advantage from that.

sin is not going cause of -int
bm only axe IF they are better then g16, rest is required for -int too
seek, veno, myst, psy could be full g15 morai IF again...and here come the need to think about some -chan on the caster

and yes, make the full g15 morai its lot cheaper then the g16, but that not really a problem. with jollies some money income will be done with time.
im worried only about how it good or bad works playing with it.

If you're going to use classes that can use the same type of armor/weapon then it's much better to get G16 Nirvana because it's not character bound, instead of having to farm and buy two whole sets of the same type. Psychic will benefit from the Nirvana armor too but if you want, you can get the G15 Morai sphere.

The value of warding levels depends primarily on the mob levels you will be fighting. The lower the mob level, the stronger warding gets. I run the full set of Morai gear and level 90 Lunar mobs are a joke, 100 Abba mobs not much better. Delta ? mobs still do decent damage but the warding helps.

At this point in the game G16 is cheap enough that there is no reason to go Morai anymore. But I don't regret getting Morai when I did (prior to G16 existing and the Nation Wars rap/canny crash). It's still great gear and I got my money's worth out of it and then some.