sage bm's became AA :D

Im gonna say that if you run around with magical marrow on, expect to get one shot by barbs, archers, maybe clerics, sins and maybe other BMs. Marrow is a double edged sword, and just cause you can reach immense amounts of m.def, itll leave you very open for other damage

As much as p.def charms would help you while in magical marrow, the interval between a physical hit and a magical hit is rather significant, and defense charms got cooldowns. To put it this way: You cant spam p.def charms 1.5 times a second. But you can spam m.def charms every few seconds. Theres also classes that got two types of damage, like archers, seekers, clerics, and the odd veno(either by fox form or arcane antitomy). I often see BMs use a marrow and it ends up being their bane ^^*

even b4 the new engravings a sage bm with sage marrows/aura could hit (with only self buffs) 19.5k+ pdeff/30k+mdeff (once ur going over +10 refines mind) idk what sorta OPness the demons hit as my only demon BM past lvl80 is on a private but i imagine its still fairly OP we were originally anti mage's once u stat and gear appropriately marrows aint as big a "double edged sword" ppl think they are

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

i once fcced with a sage bm.





he was noob.

wow thank for sharing, you ran into a noob god in pwi are you sure??

PlsStahp - Sanctuary wrote: »

i once fcced with a sage bm.

he was noob.

This has been pretty much my experience, too. It's like, if you were paying attention and knew about your class you would have gone demon. Obviously you weren't paying attention. Or people just wanted to be different, which is fine as long as they're having fun but it does make them look stupid.

However, this conversation did make me think sages aren't quite as far behind as I thought. I'd still say demon is a better culti for both pvp and pve but I'm no longer as anti-sage as I used to be. Sage even come into their own at super endgame and I like their marrows and chi conservation. There are still just too many things I'd miss out on not having demon, like crit (DS, GS, masteries), crowd control (more reliable RotP with reduced cd), better stuns (7.5 second DB, 14 second cd for RotP for a near perfect stunlock in only 2 skills), and of course the 9 second HF. In pve in a squad thats 150% more damage, in 1v1 its the difference of 2-3 skills and 4-5 skills during HF for a much better chance of finishing, and in TW its huge. Considering server lag and considerable game lag the HF wont even appear until a second after the user has cast it. A second later you've targeted and began casting, 2-3 seconds later your skills lands. Usually that means only 1 attack per person during a 6 second HF. With demon HF you have a 7 second a good chance to get 3+ attacks for everyone.

Not saying demon stomps sage entirely anymore. Just saying that for most of the things a bm is good at or selected for, demon wins. All the scenarios listed above require lots of chi, and sage has the advantage there. One of the few skills that I really like (now that I'm r9t3) are the sage marrows. Below r9t3 or about +8 refines though they're somewhat suicidal.

Will edit post my super endgame demon BM build later to compare resistances.
+12 buffed demon bm that I'm looking at for endgame. Only did +21 str for ring and neck rengravings, other stats are adds from other pieces.

Just wanna say when it comes to sage vs demon BM, if you think marrows are a factor at all, you're a dolt. I've argued my point 384928 times of why I like sage more and that it's even with demon, but nobody seems to understand. A lot of sage BMs simply do it wrong. LadyBlondeh is the kind of sage BM that once said on world chat that sage HF is better, which is so wrong that it hurt my brain and made me want to convert back to demon just because of the association.

Sakubatou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Think they should make marrows unpurgable, personally. There are several self buffs that don't get purged now, like SoV. I just think marrows should be one of them. Others might argue that once purged of bell that a magic marrow might be a death sentence in group pvp, dunno.



Marrows are a huge factor until endgame defenses, but once you have endgame def I actually like sage marrow better for pvp.

For pve though I dunno, I still think demon bell + demon marrow is a much better balance since you tend to get mixed mobs or mobs that do ranged magic and melee physical. I kind of feel the way you feel about sage marrows about demon bell.

Agree with marrows and purge.

Also, the reasons you stated is why marrows are pretty non-factor for culti. When I was demon and I had lesser gear the demon marrows were nice.

On venos, I seriously think marrows shouldn't be purgable...