FF/FC Leveling & Experience Distribution

It's easy enough to level without FC, so much so, a kumquat could do it.

Besides, the person selling it is the one that makes the rules of his or her sale. Don't like said sale, don't purchase or participate. It's like mindless twits that claim they were scammed when they buy the last room and the seller leaves them to kill the boss, mobs and heads. No, not scammed, just learn to ask questions.

why not use the damn wiki, it even has link to spreadsheet which will do the exact math for you https://docs.zoho.com/sheet/published.do?rid=ulvpzb21fa153c4124ac5875f2c57a0ec37ae

and in case you need extra help all mobs in FF

http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/mtype/24783

OFate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I've returned after being gone awhile and am new to this server. I've noticed that when they announce FF/FC that they rarely give a level range.

I did a FF/FC and in the group was folks more than 10 levels higher and lower then myself. My level gain was barely two levels for heads and the last bosses. Since I was level 40 and there were level 1's in the group - I felt this greatly offset the experience distribution.

Today I asked someone doing the same type of WC announcements - what the levels were he was going for (he said he had 2 more slots). He said "did not matter".

I'm a bit foggy on this from when I ran these solo for my friends and guild - but I always had specific level ranges.


I'd like your insight. Because of this, I'm not going to do FF or FC. I feel as if the ones saying "any and all levels" are doing a disservice to the higher ones with the larger level gaps.

Input Please?

You can always pay for a private powerlevel or powerlevel yourself if you have a higher level alt. Or avoid FF entirely. You have plenty of options.

It's not as common as you're saying for plvls to be "all levels". I regularly see them saying 1-79.

Wickedbrew - Raging Tide wrote: »

It's easy enough to level without FC, so much so, a kumquat could do it.

Besides, the person selling it is the one that makes the rules of his or her sale. Don't like said sale, don't purchase or participate. It's like mindless twits that claim they were scammed when they buy the last room and the seller leaves them to kill the boss, mobs and heads. No, not scammed, just learn to ask questions.

I dont quite understand people who do it though. The damaged reputation is worth far more than few minutes of your time. I dont get into selling spots though, I rather get less money and skip all the effort, lazy as I am. And least on archo selling FC isnt worth it if you dont do it to level yourself too - Bout 0.5g/room currently is laughable profit if that is all you get.

As for topic really, usually reason for high level range is lack of buyers on lower levels. If you do 10 levels range, selling takes far too long to be worth it. I really dont suggest FCing till 80 if you dont have friends on same level range to buy rooms together.

Ps. I think I got 700 of those things you get from xp room boss, prolly ~same to go to ding 105. 25%, fml.

MyMate - Dreamweaver wrote: »

10 level difference is still the rule as far as I've seen, but how people do it might differ a bit between servers. It shouldn't be more then that if you wanna get the most out of a FC tho.. The lowest level is always at a disadvantage compared to the highest level, but within 10 levels the exp gain is still reasonable. Only exception I would say is ~ 1-30, 30-50 and 40-60, where the exp gain is still good enough to be worth it.

From what it sounds like they joined some random run, where someone isn't going to sit there and tele for a <10 level distribution within a squad under 80.

OFate - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Thank you for all of your responses. Really good information.

I was about level 30 but just jumped in that one time to see if FC had changed any. So much in the game has...

http://img854.imageshack.us/img854/5011/wg1t.png

No real difference from then and now.

Toraah - Archosaur wrote: »

If there is any larger than a 10 level gap between highest and lowest, it's not worth your time.

People often act like parrots. They copy what everyone sais. They believe it to be the truth.
This is one of those cases and it is not the truth even though so many people believe it.

There can be 19 levels difference between the highest and lowest in squad. Any more than that and exp will not be multiplied for the amount of players in squad resulting in less than half experience. This keep your squad within 19 level range.

The highest level in squad will be compared with the mobs. The lower the highest level in squad, the more exp will be given by the mobs. Thus have your highest level in squad be as low as possible. Espescially important breakpoints are lvl 90,92,95,98. Below that, it still matters, but less so.

Then the exp is shared in ratio to your level. The highest level gets the most. The lower level you all are, the more significant this is. If you are a lvl 10 with 5 level 20s, you are mayorly screwed as you get half the exp. If you are a level 70 with 5 level 80s, you just get some 12% less exp.

So besides the 19 max range its really simple: just make sure you are on the high end of your squads level range if you are just doing the room.

For full runs it generally pays to have high levels in your squad even if you are on the low end because it will make the runs go much faster. This generally makes up for both the loss of total exp because of the squad vs mob comparison and the fact that you get less because you are on the low end of the squads range.
Look at the situations individually though. If you are lvl 80, it will do you good to team up with a squad in 86-92 range for example since this will make your run take 40-60 minutes rather than the 2 hours a full lvl 80 squad often takes.
If you are however lvl 80 among other level 80s, taking a lvl 90 cleric in squad would be stupid as it is no better than a lvl 80 cleric.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

IT really is a server difference. On DW, the way I used to sell it dunno if it's changed since I left DW, the first pm set the level range usually. Unless seller had some alt/friend that was taking one of the spots. In Heaven's Tear, they have this way of selling where they sell FCs for levels 1-79, for whatever reason. Seeing that was very strange to me. And if it's always been that way on HT, as Janus says, then that's even more odd to me. Since there definitely used to be way more people and way more new players, so it wasn't always that difficult to sell the runs. But I wasn't on HT at that time period, so dunno. One of the reasons I decided to level without it though.

They do 1-79 because people start doing FF in parties at 80+. Also, people do the runs for profit maximization, so they'd in many cases have to use dozens of teles trying to fill a party within such a small level range. Not worth it to the seller. The people getting powerleveled are usually at the behest of the seller and often times nowdays I see teles for people asking where plvlers are.

But that's actually changing too, since there's less and less doing FFs 80-85, more people leveling between 80-85 on HT either are powerleveled by their mains/friends or have someone clear to BR and just run BR FF's 80-90 (or buy BR's outright and make a squad), within the popular 10 level range. The 10 level range thought process is adhered to when people are actually doing runs at higher levels.

This is just my observation of how things are done on HT. I suppose it's different on other servers? This might indeed indicate a massively dropping "active" population on HT.