Venomancers and pets

SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver
SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver Posts: 284 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Venomancer
Lately I been bumping into a question a lot when it comes to venomancers and pets. The question is: Does pet play any role in PvE and PvP anymore?

In the earlier days of PvP, venomancers with a nix would be feared in PvP. Iron wood + Flesh ream combo was apparently very effective. Im using the word apparently, as my PvPing didnt start till R9 was making its way in, and Iron wood + Flesh ream was on its way out. But even since then, a lot have happened with both the class and our pets, with new skills, buffed up pets and over all skill changes. And many now seem to think that pets are of no use at all for PvP in particular.

And this is where I come to say: I disagree. Pets are still excellent supplements for the PvPer in a few ways. The most obvious one might be the damage dealing, tho that might actually be the more minor thing a pet can do. A pet have more uses, and must also be used with a bit of skill. You dont want your pet to be the reason the R9rr caster with the flag in NW ran away, but you would probably like to see your own tail saved by it. So heres my attempt at making a what to do list for pet users, and what to not do.

What to do:

-Natural Synergy: One of the nicest skills a venomancer can have. Making yourself stun immune for a good while. Combine this with Feral concentration and/or Charger orb will give you a good head start. As well as it increase your pets damage output.
-Defend order: Actually a very nifty lil thing. Pet will attack whoever attacks you first. This gives you two advantages, first of all you will see where the attack comes from by following your pets path. As well as when a sin jumps you from stealth, a pet with pounce as auto use will give you a small breathing space to counter the attack. Maybe with the combination mentioned above.

-Maximize your pets damage: Purge, amp, myriad, ironwood before you send the pet after a target. Your pets damage is not going to be amazing, wether ita kowlin, puppy, nix or a monkey. So make the best out of it if you arent going to keep pet for a defensive use. Maximizing the first hits will let you get the most out of the skills before they go into cool down, as well as the attack itself might be noticeable for your opponent, creating a diversion or in some cases even be important for win or lose.

-Dont get too eager: following a caster with a flag in NW might make pets with stuns seem like a good idea. Make sure that caster is not a recasted R9! Simple enough: Your pet damage will most likely be weak on a tanky caster. Each hit can proc their purify weapon, meaning the flag will get a sudden speed boost in trade for a few 100 damage.

Not claiming this to be a definitive tutorial for pet use or PvP. Im fairly inexperienced in PvP, and might see this from a wrong perspective. If you guys have feedback, and changes I should make or add, please tell me n stuff :3

Also, as a small thingie is a small clip from NW the other day. Its my first vid, but at least show a bit of how pets can influence fights to some extent. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RufKNWy-qI0&feature=youtu.be

So what you guys think? Are pets useful in PvP and PvE? Or are they simply fancy feathered deadweight?
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  • helovesu
    helovesu Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I probably say "yes it is". It has been very useful nowadays since the pet-upgrade system is implemented (both PvP and PvE).

    So many venos have their PvP video recorded, and i have watched them. Our pets (especially the PvP legendary ones) are no longer squishy / 1 shot. They can also hit hard to the opponents (see the thread about review for Legendary Pets, how the damage output for PvP is listed there).
  • SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver
    SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I got to confess that I dont use pets a whole lot in pve anynore. Mostly cause pve = warsong/aeu where pets twnd to get aoed too often for me to care x:

    I do use them on specific bosses tho, as their damage on ? Mobs are just too awesome c:

    Slightly off topic; but where so you usually find the venomancer videos? Id like to post a few in order to get a few tips on how I can improve x:
    No I dont have a herc, I AM the herc! b:mischievous

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    Please do drop by n tell me hints on how to improve c:
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  • JustAllEvil - Harshlands
    JustAllEvil - Harshlands Posts: 340 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I agree with your points, and it IS how I survive carrying the flag in NW, I use the monkey's two stuns to make people not follow so easy->get a lucky proc, run.

    Natural synergy is useful as well, especially with the ganking pattern I see on Harshlands of having people have a BM or Barb come in stun/try then a sin/archer DD.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I only keep useful pets and have 8 of them atm.
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  • Untamed_pain - Archosaur
    Untamed_pain - Archosaur Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I don't use pets in PVE alot. No use in warsong...lunar i have but they die to bosses if i don't heal quick enough.

    i don't bother in SOT/Abba either.

    NW/TW i just use the nix to annoy people cuz it dies quite easy.
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  • helovesu
    helovesu Posts: 136 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    I don't use pets in PVE alot. No use in warsong...lunar i have but they die to bosses if i don't heal quick enough.

    i don't bother in SOT/Abba either.

    NW/TW i just use the nix to annoy people cuz it dies quite easy.

    Then you ought to try the harpy :D

    At least you can watch Desdi's video of Warsong and FFI. She used the harpy to run the dungeon very well. You will love it b:chuckle

    And also the video of .... wait... ummm i forget. Anyway, She recorded the best NW she ever had. She is the monkey user.
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Might have been Azura :o
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  • Untamed_pain - Archosaur
    Untamed_pain - Archosaur Posts: 533 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I rather have the monkey

    But atm my coin goes towards rrr9...

    But you can come to arch and get me a monkey b:chuckle
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  • Thoolan - Archosaur
    Thoolan - Archosaur Posts: 50 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I'm user of nix and herc (both evolved) and as all above said pets are really usefull after evolve.

    During last 2x I made few tests in pve with my herc and all of them was ended with face like f:shock... I can tell you that for this moment I'm able (or my herc is able ;p) to tank all bosses in TT till 3-1 (in that also full 3-1)... at higher TT's I had only time for tests only few bosses but on succesfull list shows also Twilight Emperor: Vacuity and Twilight Minister: Vacuity... I'm also able to solo 6 from 8 world bosses in chrono world... with new agro stealing skill (Gold Armor Deity) on evolved herc you won't have any problems with keeping agro on pet, in full delta my herc was stealing agro from full rrr9 vortexing seeker and he couldn't take it back f:hush

    with good combo genie and veno skills I'm able to increase output herc's damage from 5k+ to 24k+ (on TT bosses) f:faint

    in pvp I'm using nix... here really usefull 'mood' skill on pet is Mind (increase attack and defense lvl plus reduce damage from players by 45% or more) without this skill and before upgrade nix was like one shot but now it's almost unkillable... sometimes when I'm busy on hunt for players I'm sending nix to other AA classes who attacked me in same time... 90% of them die after meeting with my nix... for most of sins who try to kill me from stealth nix is also enough... for rest of cases it's like distraction thing or anti-stun help (Natural Synergy)...
    mad veno fox mode f:fume
  • SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver
    SmurfJegeren - Dreamweaver Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Nice to see so many agree with these points c:

    I got to admit that even evolved I dun like to take my nix out too much in instances with aoe. I dun mind in abba/Sot, and it tends to come out on cannon and for water boss. Rest is a bit meh in WS (With exception of vile earth)
    No I dont have a herc, I AM the herc! b:mischievous

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  • X_volcano_y - Harshlands
    X_volcano_y - Harshlands Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    In Pve I always use my herc..i usually keep it on manual and for bosses i keep it standbye out of aoe..if anthing goes wrong it steps in to save the day.
    In Pvp I dont really bother..cuz its always a group pvp vs r9s so its(pet excluding monkey cuz of stuns) dmg is useless and just distract me.
  • ewingoil
    ewingoil Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    tweakz wrote: »
    I only keep useful pets and have 8 of them atm.
    Still around are you still telling other to get a Legendary pet.b:pleased
  • Desdi - Sanctuary
    Desdi - Sanctuary Posts: 8,680 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ewingoil wrote: »
    Still around are you still telling other to get a Legendary pet.b:pleased

    Regular pets were enhanced too with the last update but we also got two new legendaries.
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