Revitalize the Game with a 'Classic Style' Server??

Magna - Harshlands
Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
edited October 2013 in Suggestion Box
Bear with me, please!b:chuckle

Imagine a server that opened like this:

- All content/classes/updates
- No Packs. Ever.
- No Hypers in FC (Ever)
- No Rank 9 Gear (Ever)
- No Reputation in Cash Shop, but Rank Rep requirements are 5 times smaller
- No Mysterious Chips in Cash Shop
- All Mounts/Flying Mounts and Fashion/Smilies put in Cash Shop. Including Bears.
- APS Hard Capped at 2.0
- Permanent 1.5x Exp/Drops

So, here's the thing. Since release, the game content has improved.

However, in September 2009, something occurred.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=404312

Anniversary Packs.

The introduction of Packs changed the game forever. Suddenly the game was more Pay-To-Win than ever, and this trend continued to the point that the best gear in the game was simple put in the cash shop. Other developments in gear saw the gamebreaking 5APS rise to power.

The state of the game today is high-level. None of these things can be changed at this point. Yet, I see a number of people complaining about how barren lower level content is.

You see, I remember when gold was just 100k. 100k! Playing through the actual early game content is fun when you have other people to play with, and when that content isn't undermined by excessive P2W. Early Territory Wars are pretty awesome.

The cash shop used to be fine.

'Legacy' Servers are not a new concept. Their merits have been demonstrated in other games. Only a Legacy Server can truely revitalize PW's early content and player interaction/progression in this way. Just remember that a PW legacy server ought to promote game content over excessive cash shop strength.

The recent anniversary post stated this:
and we hope you continue to enjoy PWI for many more years to come!
With the current game state, the only way to keep the game lively for years will be to generate interest in content that already exists.

Before you say "we don't need another server because the current ones are already struggling", consider this.
Even with 'expansions', at the current rate the population will still slowly dwindle. Old servers can be merged, but that doesn't renew interest in the game for new and returning players.

This does.

Oh, and about those Bear smileys? We know it can be done, they were in PW MY. b:victory
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Sounds boring like hell on a game as old as this, ijs.
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  • bobyjoee
    bobyjoee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    That will not revitalize the game, that will make it more boring, little to no one will want that in this current game market, because that is simply a game type that is outdated.
  • Magna - Harshlands
    Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Sounds boring like hell on a game as old as this, ijs.

    Funnily enough, other Legacy servers that I alluded to have been an important part of an EVEN OLDER game than this one.

    It's also been made as a suggestion towards the #1 mmorpg (also as old as PW) in response to that game itself seeing numbers slowly dropping (obviously the population is still huge, but legacy servers continue to be a suggestion to boost interest).

    I'm just saying. You might change your mind if you started up and there were actually other people in the same early content/progression to play with.

    That way it's a game and not just a high-end grind.
  • Samaela - Dreamweaver
    Samaela - Dreamweaver Posts: 426 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I would rather have a classical server with just the old races. Pretty much PWI pre-anni packs when I think about it.

    That being said, that PWI is long gone and half the reason I'm so nostalgic about earlier days is the friends I used to play with and those probably won't come back with classic server either, so, I doubt I would personally play on it anyway.
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  • Xainou - Sanctuary
    Xainou - Sanctuary Posts: 5,369 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Magna - Harshlands wrote: »
    I'm just saying. You might change your mind if you started up and there were actually other people in the same early content/progression to play with.

    I tried rerolling on a server in my time zone actually. Still, even if there had been people to play with, it would have been boring to me. There's only so much keeping you interested if you're playing since 2009. And for me it's my epic faction.
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  • Strife_son - Sanctuary
    Strife_son - Sanctuary Posts: 1,217 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    PWI's starting/original content is boring. AOE grinding for days to get a level sure sounds awesome! Wait... Nope.

    What is the fascination with playing PWI the old way? If people wanted to play this game in this "legacy" style, they could do so now.
  • DeffyNature - Archosaur
    DeffyNature - Archosaur Posts: 1,400 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Oh, look, this thread again!
    Not going to happen, no rational reason, no economic advantages, not enough playersbase to fill this crappy server, no's all around.
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  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    So that barbs can exploit people for TT runs

    So that it would take a year to no-life zhen to 100

    So that OP cashers would be TT99+5 instead of R9rr +12

    OFF WITH THE **** NOSTALGIA GLASSES! DAMN! OLD PWI WAS THE MOST **** BUSINESS MODEL THERE EVER WAS! DO YOU SERIOUSLY THINK PEOPLE STILL WANT TO GRIND MONTHS FOR TT80? NO! THEY'LL MOVE ON TO OTHER GAMES WHERE YOU CAN COMFORTABLY QUEST TO LEVEL CAP IN A MONTH AND START EXPERIENCING ENDGAME.

    JESUS

    ****ING REACTIONARIES

    SO ****ING DONE

    /rant b:angry

    'Tards; ask any gamer that doesn't play Asian MMOs and they first thing he/she will tell you is that he/she doesn't play them because GRINDFEST ****ING SUCKS

    (look at the bestselling games out there; how many of them require any real grinding?)
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  • Magna - Harshlands
    Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Even if there wouldn't be sufficient interest, perhaps you're forgetting to consider the first point that was 'all content.'

    That massively relieves any excess 'grind'. Remember, hypers outside of frost would still be in, and 1.5x drops help, too...
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    month long TT grind/Nirvy grind still sucks enough lol
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  • Magna - Harshlands
    Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    month long TT grind/Nirvy grind still sucks enough lol

    As opposed to... what?

    Pay To Win?

    >_>

    1. If need be, boost drop rates massively.

    2. This server is not for everyone (but I thought that much was obvious).
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    bobyjoee wrote: »
    That will not revitalize the game, that will make it more boring, little to no one will want that in this current game market, because that is simply a game type that is outdated.
    Agreed.

    As for nostalgia server, it isn't a new concept:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1616691

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1596201

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1593631

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=768552

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showpost.php?p=19054511&postcount=6

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1381191

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1291111

    .. but still just as bad/dumb/unrealistic a concept.

    Private server mentality for PWI. Do these nostalgia server/nerf FF/nerf hyper/etc people think beyond what they subjectively want and consider the objectivity of making their pie in the sky views work for everyone else?
  • Magna - Harshlands
    Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    .. but still just as bad/dumb/unrealistic a concept.

    It may well be unrealistic.

    But all those posts you referred to simply indicate that there is some level of interest in this sort of thing from some people.

    You can say 'it wouldn't be worth it/the time/the money', but ultimately it would likely bring money, however small, that PW wouldn't get otherwise.


    By the way...
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    think beyond what they subjectively want and consider the objectivity of making their pie in the sky views work for everyone else?
    It doesn't change your own servers, so everyone else still gets to go on playing as they do now.
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Of course game is pay to win...it should be pay to win or P2P; wth is a casher going to do, spend infinitely on cosmetics, lol? There's only so much fash to gawk at before it gets tiring.

    As to your question, the reasonable alternative would be an easy, quest/boss based run to 100, easily farmable commodities instances for new 100s, equal gear NW and non-equal gear NW with increasing rewards for the non-equal NW, be able to have your usable pve set the moment you hit 100, easier refining, more open map endgame content, R9 mats farmable, but at a much lower rate ofc.

    So instead of pushing everyone to the bottom, push everyone to the top of gear with a reasonable input of effort.
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  • Magna - Harshlands
    Magna - Harshlands Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    So instead of pushing everyone to the bottom, push everyone to the top of gear with a reasonable input of effort.

    I would agree with this, of course, but we all know that instead of pushing people to the top with effort, PW pushes people to the top with money.

    Which is exactly the reason why I (and others) suggested the differences to this server in the first place.
  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Magna - Harshlands wrote: »
    It may well be unrealistic.

    But all those posts you referred to simply indicate that there is some level of interest in this sort of thing from some people.

    You can say 'it wouldn't be worth it/the time/the money', but ultimately it would likely bring money, however small, that PW wouldn't get otherwise.


    By the way...

    It doesn't change your own servers, so everyone else still gets to go on playing as they do now.
    It's still PWI, it won't work, and even pretend it would happen, it wouldn't attract players. This is not the PWI of 2008-9. Living in the past is a bad idea. Enjoy what you have now and move on. The latter is just a suggestion, you are free of course to continue yearning for the game that was 4-5 years ago, but I see no positive/useful result unless you run a private server.
  • Crazybladema - Harshlands
    Crazybladema - Harshlands Posts: 425 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Although, the game was better in the past than it is today. You can't bring it back by making the game exactly (or nearly) the way it was in the past. You forget that pwi is competing with games that are superior to it in every aspect (graphics, play-style, game mechanics, ect). Pwi won't and will not ever experience it's glory days ever again. That is something you can thank this **** company and it's **** developers for. Just enjoy the game as it is, it will only be around for maybe a year. If even that.b:victory
  • MontRei - Dreamweaver
    MontRei - Dreamweaver Posts: 93 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    I would just like the game the way it was in 2008, in 'The Lost Empire'. No genies, no Tideborn, no nirvana, no packs, no rep badges in boutique, no EG classes.

    Can someone make a private server with that ideal please? b:shutup
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  • Zsw - Dreamweaver
    Zsw - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,087 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Of course game is pay to win...it should be pay to win or P2P; wth is a casher going to do, spend infinitely on cosmetics, lol? There's only so much fash to gawk at before it gets tiring

    I know there has been and there are successful games like that.

    But yeah, I wouldn't play a grind feast as much as I'd play a pay to win.
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  • Miugre - Heavens Tear
    Miugre - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,390 Arc User
    edited October 2013
    ITT:

    OP: "Hey guys let's make a server where all the stupid **** is stripped out so that the game is actually balanced and playable."

    Others: "LOL NOSTALGIA GLASSES QQ GRINDING QQ TT QQ BOREDOM QQ THIS WILL RUIN EVERYTHING!!111"

    Chill, people. What OP is suggesting wouldn't touch anything about the status quo. The new server would simply exist alongside it, so that people would have (gasp!) a choice. I've been saying this for months. It's only too bad that wanmei wouldn't be willing to let us have a second version. >_>
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