Next X2 please let it be the REAL x2
Lolitta - Raging Tide
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I made yesterday 11 runs of TT 3-1 and 3-2 and I got 1 gold (is X 2 ppl) and I made 7 runs of TT 3-3 and guess what? No gold!
Today I made 6 runs of Lunar all 3 ways and no drop what so ever. I only get the crappy purple mats. How can you call that X 2?
And only TT farmers knows how many fairy box drops there at 3-3 and now i take 4 chests from 1 run....I know because I farm TT for 1 year now every single day.
You ruin the gold drops even if it's X 2 and you take away the fairy boxes and they drop half of what they used to.
I DONT WANT to take gold every run but 7 runs of 3-3 and no Gold at X 2, dont you think is to obvious that you mess around with drop? Maybe most people dont know cuz they do 1-2 runs or none but me as a daily farmer i see that even the fairy boxes are not how they were before this new update.
Not all people have time to farm 10 h an instance to get 1 damn gold. Close TT instance for good at let golds at NPC so we dont waste our all day to try and have some decent drop.
You made those instances for a reason and that is for people to take drop and use it but what can i do if after 11 runs I dont get anything, what is the point of farming if I have no drop?
I dont know but it seems that every update you made the drop is getting worst and I dont know what to do. Is like you got to work and you dont get paid after hours of working...Not fair so my request is next time give us the REAL x2 drop so we dont have to spend days of farming for 1 gold.....
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Today I made 6 runs of Lunar all 3 ways and no drop what so ever. I only get the crappy purple mats. How can you call that X 2?
And only TT farmers knows how many fairy box drops there at 3-3 and now i take 4 chests from 1 run....I know because I farm TT for 1 year now every single day.
You ruin the gold drops even if it's X 2 and you take away the fairy boxes and they drop half of what they used to.
I DONT WANT to take gold every run but 7 runs of 3-3 and no Gold at X 2, dont you think is to obvious that you mess around with drop? Maybe most people dont know cuz they do 1-2 runs or none but me as a daily farmer i see that even the fairy boxes are not how they were before this new update.
Not all people have time to farm 10 h an instance to get 1 damn gold. Close TT instance for good at let golds at NPC so we dont waste our all day to try and have some decent drop.
You made those instances for a reason and that is for people to take drop and use it but what can i do if after 11 runs I dont get anything, what is the point of farming if I have no drop?
I dont know but it seems that every update you made the drop is getting worst and I dont know what to do. Is like you got to work and you dont get paid after hours of working...Not fair so my request is next time give us the REAL x2 drop so we dont have to spend days of farming for 1 gold.....
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »2x doesn't mean more chance to get gold mats.
So is ok then to farm 11 runs and get nothing?
I know it means when you drop 1 gold it have to drop 2 gold just like EOD but i never saw 2 gold before in 1 drop. Do you know how is to kill Drake Fling 12 times and no drop at all?
Like i said....only farmers now.0 -
cmiiw, 2x drops in PWI means double items drops, not double % drops.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »So is ok then to farm 11 runs and get nothing?
I know it means when you drop 1 gold it have to drop 2 gold just like EOD but i never saw 2 gold before in 1 drop
You have farmed TT everyday for over a year and you don't understand how the drop tables work, how they are effected by 2x, or that they are based on probability?
It has been said over and over again the drop rates have not changed, you luck is just bad for those runs.0 -
You had bad luck. It happens.
The drop chances has not been changed. And 2x doesn't mean you get double the chance of drops. 2x here merely means that you get twice the amount of drops (aka the drop table is run through twice). This is why bosses that have a 100% chance of dropping one item (IE: Advanced warsong bosses or Nirvana bosses) will drop two.(Insert fancy image here)
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Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »Then where are 2 golds drop? I never take in my life on this game 2 golds before. Why EOD drop and golds no?
Double drops looks at the drop table twice, it does not double the percentage.
Example if a gold mat has a 5% chance to drop, having 2x does not mean it goes up to 10%. It first calculates the chance to drop at 5% then does a second look at the table and calculates again at 5%.0 -
You had bad luck. It happens.
The drop chances has not been changed. And 2x doesn't mean you get double the chance of drops. 2x here merely means that you get twice the amount of drops (aka the drop table is run through twice). This is why bosses that have a 100% chance of dropping one item (IE: Advanced warsong bosses or Nirvana bosses) will drop two.
I understand but is very depressing to work hours and get nothing and I mean nothing at all, how much bad luck can i have?
But 13 runs of Lunar it takes forever and i did not get 1 single gold drop there.
I did not know that bosses with 100% drop are the only ones that have double drop, my bad but i wanted to make Lunar ring and no chance. I work like crazy on this game and the rewards are almost zero, how much work I have to do for 1 ring?0 -
cmiiw, 2x drops in PWI means double items drops, not double % drops.
This. Double drops means there are double slots of drops that appear. For example, let's say a normal drop from a TT boss ranges from 20-30 drops. In x2, it increases that to 40-60 items dropped per kill, but that doesn't mean it affects the drop % rate of an item, such as a gold mat.
To further expand on that example, since you've stated it, some bosses, such as the final boss in Lunar, has only one drop slot for an EoD, and it can only drop an EoD in that slot, meaning it has a 100% chance to drop an EoD. In x2, that drop slot doubles, so there is 2 slots where the boss can drop an item from its drop table, and since its drop table only consists of an EoD at an 100% drop rate, it will drop again, resulting in a guaranteed 2x EoD per kill in x2.
I hope that helps. You've had bad luck. I've been in similar spiels, so the best thing to do in my opinion is to take a break, as you're frustrated, and come back either the next day, and take it lighter. I also find it helpful to not get your hopes up on drops, so when one does drop, or even two, it'll feel more satisfying.[SIGPIC]Octavia is best pony![/SIGPIC]
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When you kill a boss, the server throws a proverbial dice to see if you get drops. 2x means you get to throw the die twice. That's all. Doesn't change the odds, and it is easy to still end up with nothing.0
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Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »Then where are 2 golds drop? I never take in my life on this game 2 golds before. Why EOD drop and golds no?
He means exactly this as drops:
Monster drops 50 total drops at a time on base.
Drop table follows % suits:
Gold 5%
green 95%
When x2 activates your NEW table works like this:
[Monster drops 100 total drops on x2]
Drop table:
gold 5%
green 95%
Get it?... x2 only adjust drop RATES not drop %'s.Fashion Mastery
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Malord - Heavens Tear wrote: »He means exactly this as drops:
Monster drops 50 total drops at a time on base.
Drop table follows % suits:
Gold 5%
green 95%
When x2 activates your NEW table works like this:
[Monster drops 100 total drops on x2]
Drop table:
gold 5%
green 95%
Get it?... x2 only adjust drop RATES not drop %'s.
I see, so my chance is very low to farm lunar ring. I kill Drake Fling over and over till I dream it in my sleep and no drop to make a ring....
I understand the chances are 5% to drop gold but it takes so long and is so hard work b:cry
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Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »So is ok then to farm 11 runs and get nothing?
I know it means when you drop 1 gold it have to drop 2 gold just like EOD but i never saw 2 gold before in 1 drop. Do you know how is to kill Drake Fling 12 times and no drop at all?
Like i said....only farmers now.
The drop table stays the same every time you kill a mob/boss/critter it does not matter how many times you kill them. The only thing that changes is you having more chances to get items. The internal global drop rates can be changed but that does not change the specific percentages of items from specific mobs and these drop rates are not the 2x switch. As OPKossy mentioned 2x only means the drop table will be ran through twice, not double the amount of drops. The only mobs that will have double the amount of drops during 2x are mobs like in COA that have 100% drop rates in the first drop slot, The only thing randomized is how many drops you can have. Those types of mobs do not have a 2nd, 3rd and 4th item drop.Marine - Marshall - Raging Tides - Retired
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Salari - Raging Tide wrote: »The drop table stays the same every time you kill a mob/boss/critter it does not matter how many times you kill them. The only thing that changes is you having more chances to get items. The internal global drop rates can be changed but that does not change the specific percentages of items from specific mobs and these drop rates are not the 2x switch. As OPKossy mentioned 2x only means the drop table will be ran through twice, not double the amount of drops. The only mobs that will have double the amount of drops during 2x are mobs like in COA that have 100% drop rates in the first drop slot, The only thing randomized is how many drops you can have. Those types of mobs do not have a 2nd, 3rd and 4th item drop.
Ouch I understand. The double is low as well because only 1 time I had 2 gold drop but that was over 1 year ago.
So the best thing to do at X2 is to farm bosses and mobs that have 100% chance of an item.
Sorry if I sounded harsh but I am so tired b:cry
The thing that hurts so so much is that people sell items so cheap now, example : Illusion stone sell at 8 MIL now and why they sell so cheap if is so hard to get and X 2 does not mean more drop?0 -
oVenusArmanio wrote: »When you kill a boss, the server throws a proverbial dice to see if you get drops. 2x means you get to throw the die twice. That's all. Doesn't change the odds, and it is easy to still end up with nothing.
And on top of that, most of the gold mats are in the Additional Drop table, which is not affected by the 2X multiplier.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »And on top of that, most of the gold mats are in the Additional Drop table, which is not affected by the 2X multiplier.
I see that now..b:surrender
So only stupid people like me say "Go to TT cuz is X 2". Ouch! I knew I am blonde but not that much..0 -
Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »Ouch I understand. The double is low as well because only 1 time I had 2 gold drop but that was over 1 year ago.
So the best thing to do at X2 is to farm bosses and mobs that have 100% chance of an item.
Sorry if I sounded harsh but I am so tired b:cry
The thing that hurts so so much is that people sell items so cheap now, example : Illusion stone sell at 8 MIL now and why they sell so cheap if is so hard to get and X 2 does not mean more drop?
Yes some runs you can get a lot of drops, other times you get nothing. When I farm TT(rarely now) it is mainly for the OHT drops. During 2x even if i pay 2 others to help open tt, I still make quite a bit of coins. If you can farm card bosses, the profit margin there is far greater than when running TT. In an hour during 2x I could farm enough card bosses to get get enough mats for making OHT gear to decompose to Pstones for around 100m in future profits. I say future profits because you still need to farm the other items needed to make the oht gear, and sell what pstones you make.Marine - Marshall - Raging Tides - Retired
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »2x doesn't mean more chance to get gold mats.
Well not entirely, but almost so yes. Instead of 10% for a gold mat, you will now have 19% for a gold mat and 1% to get 2 of them and some insignificant chances to drop more than 2.
This month a friend an i have been farming TT for about 5 hours per day each.
My friend when soloing does 3-1. He did many dozens of them if not 100s. He reported me that he got on average "almost 2 ribbons per run". The drop tables informed me it should be 1.7.
When i solo, i solo 2-3. I should have 4 of every green per run. While the number varies quite a lot in 1 run, overal it was indeed 4 of every green per run.
When we play together, we do 3-2. We get about 1 back image each 4 runs. Exactly like the droptables predict. Of course, somedays you do 10 runs and you get none. Another day, every boss you kill seems to drop gold.SylenThunder - Sanctuary wrote: »And on top of that, most of the gold mats are in the Additional Drop table, which is not affected by the 2X multiplier.
For which bosses is that true ? Not for any of those we kill.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
not gonna bother readin all of the thread ..all i have to say is ..no one demanded you to farm TT, with or without double drops.. so just bare with the fact u got sucky drops...
next time be smart and dont spend your "precious 10 hours" and go do somethin else
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pwi staff doesnt care, cause it doesnt mather if you get or not get gold mats, doesnt give money to em ... ijs ! XD0 -
Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »I see, so my chance is very low to farm lunar ring. I kill Drake Fling over and over till I dream it in my sleep and no drop to make a ring....
I understand the chances are 5% to drop gold but it takes so long and is so hard work b:cry
I cry sometimes when I see how many hours i spend and when i look in inventory is empty
Every 2x you do the same thing, QQ about the drops.
Like someone said no one forces you to farm TT. And why on earth would you farm a lunar ring? Other then to say "oh I farmed it". You can buy a lunar orn sig on our server for 20mil versus the mats which you could sell for 40mil and buy two rings and technically you still farm it by selling off your other mats b:shutup
And no idea if you're running squad mode or deity mode in lunar but if you're trying to farm Chromatic tinders in squad mode versus deity mode b:shutup.. Deity mode might cost twice as much but on a good run I get 1 chromatic and 3 unknowns sometimes 2 chromatics.
The smart farmer buys up the mats people are selling below market and holds on to them when the demand goes back up. At the moment I have roughly 500mil in TT mats just from this 2x but i'm not going to sell them off under market because everyone else. You don't make money that way.
And if you're seriously dreaming about farming go outside and get away from PWIb:bye0 -
AdiLynnRose - Raging Tide wrote: »Every 2x you do the same thing, QQ about the drops.
Like someone said no one forces you to farm TT. And why on earth would you farm a lunar ring? Other then to say "oh I farmed it". You can buy a lunar orn sig on our server for 20mil versus the mats which you could sell for 40mil and buy two rings and technically you still farm it by selling off your other mats b:shutup
And no idea if you're running squad mode or deity mode in lunar but if you're trying to farm Chromatic tinders in squad mode versus deity mode b:shutup.. Deity mode might cost twice as much but on a good run I get 1 chromatic and 3 unknowns sometimes 2 chromatics.
The smart farmer buys up the mats people are selling below market and holds on to them when the demand goes back up. At the moment I have roughly 500mil in TT mats just from this 2x but i'm not going to sell them off under market because everyone else. You don't make money that way.
And if you're seriously dreaming about farming go outside and get away from PWIb:bye
I always do Squad mode and I dont wanna buy stuff, I want to farm it. Not ring 95 lvl, i meant the ring you do from Drake Fling mats. In TT i try for weeks to get gold to make Heavy T3 helm but I dont wanna buy it because I can solo all TT's and that is why I have R9 sin, to farm. You dont expect me to stay in the city and buy all mats and golds when i can farm myself ! I can farm all day long but I need to see I get something in return and even if I want to buy I dont have how to make coins cuz there are not much things to farm left anyways.
How can you make money when the drop is so so low? And I farm like a crazy woman to buy my R9 daggers and make them +12 without 1 gold put in game but back then the mats were selling and now people buy at half price or not at all.
I just wanted to find out why there is such a bad drop in this game, dont matter if i farm 100h or 1 h , that is not the topic subject, is why is such a low drop that you have to run 12 TT's to get 1 gold?
I expected from people to say "Wow you are right, you work so hard and no drop how lame" but I see people think i am an idiot to be a farmer not a CS because they dont complain about anything cuz they have all they need in Boutique.0 -
Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »but I see people think i am an idiot to be a farmer not a CS because they dont complain about anything cuz they have all they need in Boutique.
You didnt read my post i guess.
To be precise, i do think you are a little bit of an idiot if you really do want to make your own farmed item out of mats with a 40m selling value if you can buy it for 20m. Also is it in my eyes a little idiotic albeit oh so human to ignore objectively reality and complain about drop rates. Check the drop rates. Do enough runs to achieve statistical significance and you will get what is rightfully yours within the statistical variance. Looking at your OP, i also thing you are either lying about your amount of data (the amount of runs you do) or you are lying about the results, or you have a strongly selective memory that remembers only the bad luck but not the good.
You are however absolutely not an idiot for farming rather than CSing. I am not going to reread all of the replies, but i dont think many will point in that direction really.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
Lolitta - Raging Tide wrote: »I always do Squad mode and I dont wanna buy stuff, I want to farm it. Not ring 95 lvl, i meant the ring you do from Drake Fling mats. In TT i try for weeks to get gold to make Heavy T3 helm but I dont wanna buy it because I can solo all TT's and that is why I have R9 sin, to farm. You dont expect me to stay in the city and buy all mats and golds when i can farm myself ! I can farm all day long but I need to see I get something in return and even if I want to buy I dont have how to make coins cuz there are not much things to farm left anyways.
How can you make money when the drop is so so low? And I farm like a crazy woman to buy my R9 daggers and make them +12 without 1 gold put in game but back then the mats were selling and now people buy at half price or not at all.
I just wanted to find out why there is such a bad drop in this game, dont matter if i farm 100h or 1 h , that is not the topic subject, is why is such a low drop that you have to run 12 TT's to get 1 gold?
I expected from people to say "Wow you are right, you work so hard and no drop how lame" but I see people think i am an idiot to be a farmer not a CS because they dont complain about anything cuz they have all they need in Boutique.
How do you make money when drops are low, as you say, you don't understand the buy low sell high? I buy up the low price mats, from everyone selling them dirt cheap including you and wait and resell them when the price goes back up, And don't sell off what I farm to prices go back up. Say, you sell Illusion Stones for 9mil I buy em wait a month or 2 and resell them for 16mil. No one forces you to sell dirt cheap, that's your choice.
And you're talking about a drop on an EXTREMELY rare item and you're complaining about 11 runs and not getting it? You should talk to a few of the people that have gotten it to drop and how many runs they had to do. Scale of Drake Fling has a 3% drop rate FYI
And maybe cause people aren't complaining because it's a game, maybe you shouldn't it take it so seriouslyb:victory
And like Skai and everyone else has pointed out time "x2 only adjust drop RATES not drop %'s."0 -
AdiLynnRose - Raging Tide wrote: »And like Skai and everyone else has pointed out time "x2 only adjust drop RATES not drop %'s."
Which is untrueEverything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »Which is untrue
Everyone has their own idea as to how the drop table actually works during 2x. It's still boils down to a matter of luck as to what you're going to get. I've spent hours in TT farming Snake gold in 3-1 for lunar gear and left with 1, it's part of the game.
Problem is some people treat the game as a job instead of what it is a game. Because when it boils down to it soon as you think you have the gear you want PWI tosses something else out there b:bye0 -
ideas about how it works ?
Its no magic or secret.
Here is how it works
Each item that drops has a 33.3333% chance of being an antenna.
The boss drops 6 items. So on average, 2 of them will be antennas.
During 2x he drops 12 items and on average 4 of them will be antennas.
I chose this boss because i was just waiting for him to spawn when i came to the forum. So i just wacked them and confirmed for you that it drops exactly 12 items. In this case exactly 4 of them were antennas, but that is of course coincidence Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »ideas about how it works ?
Its no magic or secret.
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Yet the majority of the population still has their own take on how. It still boils down to luck as to what those items are going to be, you could leave with nothing but crusades and stones, been there0 -
AdiLynnRose - Raging Tide wrote: »Yet the majority of the population still has their own take on how. It still boils down to luck as to what those items are going to be, you could leave with nothing but crusades and stones, been there
b:sweat
I know humanity is stupid. Yes the majority of the population has their own take on things even though they are not subjective at all. That is what i am trying to battle here.
Of course it is about luck, but the luck factor gets smaller and smaller when you do more runs. Eventually luck becomes insignificant. It is one of the reasons i like running 2-3 though. With all those greens that have good dropping chances, there is much less statistical variance in the value of 1 runs' drops. Luck is already insignificant in 1 or a few runs.
If you are looking at only 1 boss that drops an average of 0.2 gold mats (the standard for TT bosses during 2x although some are slightly higher or lower) you will need to kill him like 100 times before luck becomes a less significant factor. And even then, any number between 15 and 25 will be very normal, and numbers between 10 and 15 or 25 and 30 absolutely not unthinkable.
If you really dont understand anything of a subject like chances and statistics, why not try to learn instead of trying to prove your right with void statements ? Why keep ignoring the facts ?Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »b:sweat
I know humanity is stupid. Yes the majority of the population has their own take on things even though they are not subjective at all. That is what i am trying to battle here.
Of course it is about luck, but the luck factor gets smaller and smaller when you do more runs. Eventually luck becomes insignificant. It is one of the reasons i like running 2-3 though. With all those greens that have good dropping chances, there is much less statistical variance in the value of 1 runs' drops. Luck is already insignificant in 1 or a few runs.
If you are looking at only 1 boss that drops an average of 0.2 gold mats (the standard for TT bosses during 2x although some are slightly higher or lower) you will need to kill him like 100 times before luck becomes a less significant factor. And even then, any number between 15 and 25 will be very normal, and numbers between 10 and 15 or 25 and 30 absolutely not unthinkable.
If you really dont understand anything of a subject like chances and statistics, why not try to learn instead of trying to prove your right with void statements ? Why keep ignoring the facts ?
Who's ignoring facts, i've been farming TT for 4 yrs I know how it works. If I was trying to prove i'm right i'd sit here and link countless threads. Of the same pointless discussions. It's called a string of bad luck.
I'm sure with all the countless farming in 2-3 you do, you have had a runs of bad luck. And if you actually look at what the OP is talking about they're talking about a rare lunar mat, which i've seen maybe 10 total of the crafted ring from the drop.
They also primarily farm 3-3 which has **** drop rates to start. And only got worse when they added more items into the drop table. I highly doubt the OP solo farms 2-3 for money. There is no real profit in it, at least not on our server.
Illusion Stone
GLP's
GBF
The drop rate has never been changed which has been pointed out numerous times by many people. The issue is that other items where added in.0 -
What i am trying to explain is that people should see reality for what it is and stop creating all kind of theories. Drop rates are what they are, there is nothing nerfed about them. Not by adding other items or whatever.
Sorry, your last sentence again shows that you do not understand. Other items being added does not matter unless they come at the cost of the gold mats dropping chance. You say yourself that these rates have not been changed.
Now it becomes a little unclear what you actually are trying to say. Each time i prove some statement wrong, i get a counter attack on a different field and another thing to prove wrong while the first statement is being ignored. Is it that hard to actually reply to what i say ? Let me repeat what i have been trying to say in this thread and then please tell me where you disagree and where i would be ignoring any facts. Just go back to post 25 and see where this is coming from. I claim a statement of yours to be untrue and bring arguments/proof. You ignore that and say that people have different views of it even though it is factual reality. I explain about this factual reality and again you ignore that and instead start babbling well about nothing really. The post looks more like you just wanted to state that you know because you farm 4 years but nothing substantial besides that.
My points:
-Drop tables can be found on internet. My experiences show that they are correct and my sample size is large enough to be statistically relevant. The few players that i have seen post seriously and knowlegably on this topic report the same. I make this point to combat claims about drop rates not being what it should be as the thread title indicates.
-Given enough farming runs, luck is an insignificant factor. I explain this in the first place to show those that complain about luck in their x runs today that they need to do more runs and in the second place to explain that those who claim they have been exceptionally unlucky over a month of full time farming or incorrect in this claim. Statistics can tell you exactly what chances are. If someone would be making a thread saying "I have farmed this boss X times and got only Y drops. Statistics say chances of this happening are 0.482% I am so unlucky !!!!" I will tell them i feel sorry for them. If people are posting all kind of non-sense about 2x not being 2x, drop tables not being correct, i will tell them to get a clue.
-There is no place for different perspectives in this matter. It is a matter of math. Math that has been proven centuries ago.
-People have all kind of psychological traits that make them perceive luck different than it is. You may have farmed TT 4 years, i have made a living playing poker for more than 4 years. I know what chances do in peoples minds. I am trying to help people be more objective.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0
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