Disable hypers in frost, yes, no or LV restricted? FORGOTTEN THREAD

Vanflyheight - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Which would you rather prefer for this game?

A. drive even more unsatisfied players away by having them become so bored and lonely, that they'll tell their friends not to come here.

They are already not talking to their friends about it, unless they dont mind telling the world how much money they spent gearing up their pixel person ingame.

B. Possibly make the game better and to give any possible new and returning players the confidence and benefits of playing the game with alot more excitement than what it is currently.

Idk bout you, but the ones your talking bout are just a small minority. Look at what happened when hypering in frost was disabled for a week. we had ppl literally doing bhs and other content rather than constantly looking for squads in a single instance. If you or anyone else thinks that by putting a lvl cap on frost will drive more players away, your sadly mistaken. When pw revamped sot and aba, sure it took a while for us to adapt but the players did adapt eventually even though pw didnt need to revamp those instances to begin with. blue divine quests were made harder to complete cause of how pw put the mobs needed for those in a different place than what the autopath was directed towards.

If pw were to put a lvl cap on hypering frost, that would definitely make the game alot more alive again than how it is now. How would you feel if you were a new player just starting, with no high lvl main and the only coin ya could get is from the jolly jones quests and any xtra coin ya could make from either the quests themselves or merchanting from time to time? If i was in someones shoes like that, i probably would of quit the game before hitting 60. players dont like playing alone when it comes to a MMO. Which is why pw is an MMO (mass multiplayer online game). Its where a player gets the chance to meet other players and have fun while doing things together, not stare at a screen while wanting to catch up to the rest of the group like in a speedway race. Plus if one wanted to play alone, than the best option for em is to play arcade or video games not something like pw where you cant deny that other players are around to have fun as well.

Seems like you've created this big bubble of yours to where you think that all you need to have fun is hyper in frost as many times as possible till you reach 100+, join squads for bh, aeu, nw, morai, any others im missing? Somehow i think you and alot of other idiots dont realize or dont want to realize is this. lvl 100 is not the beginning, its like trying to make a reading book the back page the front, and the front the back when all you'll be doing is reading upside down. Seems like your logical reasons are as dead as being tossed into the trash can.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

and look what happened when FC was back. all those people that according to you had so much fun and enjoyed the game so much more without the alluring call of FC, went back there. if this is not proof that the majority prefers FC over regular content I don't know what is!

DarkSkiesx - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Clearly you arent getting this. Let's try a different approach for you. Perhaps that might sink in. People enjoy both PvE and PvP of course, that is obvious. AFTER doing all there is to do in PvE, some people prefer PvP and dont really care for PvE, why you may ask, well unlike yourself, some people get boring doing the same thing over and over again. Tree hugging out in some random location killing the same mob or group of mobs is boring. If you still get a rush of excitement from using a different skill to kill a mob, go nuts, knock yourself out.

Setting aside deadend discussions, and addressing the issue here, the reason new players have no one to play with in their new areas is because most 'new players' are old players making new classes. They have already done all the quests (after lvl 20 or w/e these are the same irrespective of class) and frankly dont want to do them all over again for little to no reward, just want to lvl fast and and rejoin their higher level friends.

Remove the option to hyper fc at lower lvls and even those people will not want to make a new class.

Lets face reality, there are hardly any actual new players coming to the game nowadays. Why would you play a massively outdated game. Cater to the old existing players and stop them from leaving would be my priority.

Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »

It isn't impossible, but it takes a lot longer than is deemed efficient by even quest reward standards. Again, there are dailies, Emissary, and Jone's quests that would be better time spent if those quests still involved killing ~level * 10 mobs.


Here's a challenge:

Class: BM or Barb
Level: 50s range
Task: Kill 50 of each solo:

Pyrogolth Hierarch
Pyrogoth Emissary
Mermaiden Rustler

Now you get an idea what some classes went through in those levels, and why no one wants to do those quests alone. All mobs I listed were involved in 5x quests.

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You know how often I grind now? Straight-up mob grind? Almost never - unless you count Morai dailies. I have five primary characters and a number of low or midgame alts, and most of the latter I never play because of sheer lack of time (they're great for farming JJ though ;] ). Could I get, say, my Lv23 seeker to endgame immediately? Sure I could. But if I'm not gonna devote the time to that character, guess what? I don't deserve an endgame seeker. This is basic game design here.

Obviously it isnt "basic game design here". I have always been able to be 'run through' FC from the time I first started playing, 3 years ago - the ability was always there for me, though I chose not to take advantage. The game has been that way for at least 3 years, so it is illogical to assume that you were 'meant' to play it any other way. Sorry, but this point is mute, and pretty much ends any further arguement.

The keyword here is CHOICE - the more choices, the more of the population stays interested in the game. You personally need someone to play with? Well, there is always a faction, or real life friends and family. No need to impose on the 'fun' and 'choices' of others. b:victory


And no - before you ask - this is not some nefarious attempt to deliberately kill the fun of you or other plevelers by making you play like us. This is an issue of a spoiled, instant-gratification mindset shared by a fair portion of the community (and, by all appearances, yourself). Got an endgame character? Great! You can play with your endgame friends now. Want another one? Then you need to ask yourself if it's worth the time to legitimately get one to endgame. If the answer is "no" - essentially, if you've completely lost interest in the actual game - then it's time to quit.

Why would you play a massively outdated game? If it's a good game. And in PWI's case, it's only a good game when the low and midgame are thriving, not just endgame. Even most of the old players, as expressed even in this very thread, are opposed to Frost powerleveling. You can try futilely to hold on to your veterans, but (since you're such a fan of cold realities) if we don't get some newbies in here, this game will die. What we have now is simply unsustainable, and mindsets like yours are the primary cause of that.


BM and Barb are among the five I got to endgame through doing most/all the quests. So yeah, I remember those mobs quite well. Sure, those were better in a group - as was any quest - but you just have to know how to handle them. Magic runners are pretty simple strategy-wise; position yourself so that they run away from the other mobs when you attack, use magic marrow on BM and bestial rage shield on Barb (when appropriate); shadowless kick and alacrity of the beast help get the mob through its walking path faster, and of course don't stun the mob or it'll start running again. If additional mobs join in, use defensive maneuvers (diamond sutra, tree of protection, invoke for the mermaids and their non-DoT damage) and make a good judgement call of when to run if several gang up. If all else fails, Zeal-pull them.

I kinda find it funny how some people are saying "QQ the old quests are boring" and "QQ the old quests are hard" in the same breath. They were never hard, and those few notorious ones with the pyrogolths or whatever could easily be skipped with no significant impact to exp gain.

Apostasy - Raging Tide wrote: »

Ya know what... keep fc and hypers, keep the game dead... idgaf cause im spending my $ elsewhere now... ill be sticking around just to watch the show b:chuckle

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

People when faced with two options, will choose whatever is the better option. FC is the better option, because it's far faster. IT helps you accomplish the same goal (leveling up) in nearly half the time. From a personal standpoint, FC makes a lot of sense and human beings are pretty rational. That's pretty basic decision making, but it doesn't mean it's good for the group as a whole.

You want to get a bunch of people to do anything, you gotta make it in their best interests to do so. People want to play with other people and group up. A large portion of the old players will tell you that if it were not for their friends, the would not play this game anymore. New players don't make very many friends. New players have a hard time finding factions. New players have a hard time getting group quests done. And new players find out that if they want to solve all of this, they have to spend a lot of money on a game that has been hostile to them from the start. Unless they just really, really love a class that they don't even fully understand yet, or managed to find a faction or friend right off the bat. Chances are they will not spend the money, and will leave. Which is a shame, because they could've been our next friend. Our next faction mate. PWE's next major cash shopper. But instead faceless person you will never meet. And all because you hate the idea of spending like one extra week doing the lowbie stuff.



There are certain things about human nature that is understandable though. If you create a super powered, mega easy, extreme leveling instance the majority of people will use it. Why wouldn't they? Likewise, if you fix that content later there would be obviously be blowback. People become used to it. On the same vein, no matter how much you improve Option B, as long as Option A remains super easy, not at all time consuming, and has more exp, nobody is going to switch to it. In this case though, Option A is poisonous to the group as a whole but beneficial on an individual level. Have you ever heard of the tragedy of the commons? Similar principle only a lot of people can't see how badly their actions are affecting new players so they aren't aware of it.

As for your other comment, asking for a rule change is not trying to deprive people of some right. Sometimes, laws need to change IRL for the greater good or because they no longer make sense, or it was a well intentioned law but having an adverse affect. And sometimes game content needs to be tweaked, nerfed, fixed so that players can't do it anymore because it's bad for the game. Asking for FC to be level restricted only adds about a week to your game time if you play casually. Two days if you spend a weekend and no-life it. That's without hypering the mobs outside. You would still be able to FC at level 75 or so. Other games would not have allowed this to continue for so long and I can't think of any other MMO where you skip the content, outside the view of new players, and in a way that makes it almost painfully slow to have any sort of interaction with them.

oVenusArmanio wrote: »

Something has to be done now, or the game is going to die sooner rather than later. You can't have a business without new customers. If they announced it like they did Nation Wars, many of them could get whatever alt they are working on up to level really fast. This change should also come with OFC increased advertising, and should come packaged with more fun content that is pleasing enough to the playerbase that they want to stick around. I don't think this change should come on it's own. Without advertising, without some new content, it would be pretty pointless. But that doesn't mean it shouldn't be done at all, which is what this thread is about. First, you convince them it should be done. Then you can worry about how. I don't think PWE should just give up, just because the game is older. Which seems to be the point of a lot of people. That they should just throw in the towel. But if that's the case, then why should they, as a business, even develop new content? It's costly. Just kill it off now, while it's still in the black. If that sounds as terrible to you as it does to me, then I think some part of you wants to see this game succeed and doesn't want it to die. Knowing that then, why fight against doing a few small changes to the game to attract new customers? Putting in a level cap would only add in like a week more gameplay. But at least you would be in the world map, doing things with the new players rather than in an instance where you may as well not exist as far as a new player is concerned.

At this point in time, I think they could still turn things around. For example, I think they could get a lot of players to return if they worked out that server problem they are working on and introduced server vs server Nation Wars. There are all kinds of things they could, and I hope they are proactive and think of something. Because I would like if this game were still kicking at least a few more years.

Im sorry - how is announcing "No Hypers in FC! " going to attract any NEW players, in and of itself? What would that mean to someone who has never played PWI before?

EDIT: Cant they regain the population first, and make the announcement after it has appeared?

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im sorry - how is announcing "No Hypers in FC! " going to attract any NEW players, in and of itself? What would that mean to someone who has never played PWI before?

EDIT: Cant they regain the population first, and make the announcement after it has appeared?

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Because it's not about the Frost babies, and their trying to make it about them is how they're holding the game hostage. It's about legitimate newbies and a thriving lowgame and midgame - which is what's required to have a sustainable community. If we've established by now that the game in its current form is unsustainable (which I hope we have), then it's time we attacked the sources of it.

Are they going to whine and complain and maybe quit? Yeah, they are. Will the game die from that? It's a possiblity. But the game is absolutely going to die the way things are now, so you may as well force-feed them the brocolli and hope they don't die of shock (spoiler: they won't).

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im not asking anyone to "stop killin mah fun". You arent attacking anything I like to do. I dont look to do things with other players - because of **** attitudes and a **** drop/luck system. I dont stay in factions long for similar reasons. I dont TW/NW anymore. I log in at or around 8PM for the Lucids, do Morai & OHT daily quests and PWI School Teacher while waiting for them, and if I dont need or dont feel like farming Herbs & Mats for my eventual R9 so I can play the game more fully which will be light years from now, but anyways, after Lucids are over, I log off.

It doesnt matter to me one way or the other if you nerf everything in the game to try to force people to play the new content. Although I do content as it appears, I am in no rush to do anything but earn coin for TRUE Endgame Gears. In short - I wont be out there. If they remove Hypers from the game entirely - *I* wont be out there. If they remove the ability to earn any coin, or buy gold - *I* wont be in the game at all. Those are my choices, and if they are removed, so am I.

You get the healthy population, Im sure I will come out of my shell, AND support the nerfing of anything you want. Without it, its just a negative proposition.

SO what? Are you saying you only risk losing 10 peeps at any given timeframe on any given server, and that's a risk you are willing to take? Okies.

But, that brings us to the point of if those players are here alone - or do they have family or friends that will go with them?

Im not interested in thinking this hard so, Ill leave you guys now, lol. b:thanks

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

BM and Barb are among the five I got to endgame through doing most/all the quests. So yeah, I remember those mobs quite well. Sure, those were better in a group - as was any quest - but you just have to know how to handle them. Magic runners are pretty simple strategy-wise; position yourself so that they run away from the other mobs when you attack, use magic marrow on BM and bestial rage shield on Barb (when appropriate); shadowless kick and alacrity of the beast help get the mob through its walking path faster, and of course don't stun the mob or it'll start running again. If additional mobs join in, use defensive maneuvers (diamond sutra, tree of protection, invoke for the mermaids and their non-DoT damage) and make a good judgement call of when to run if several gang up. If all else fails, Zeal-pull them.

I kinda find it funny how some people are saying "QQ the old quests are boring" and "QQ the old quests are hard" in the same breath. They were never hard, and those few notorious ones with the pyrogolths or whatever could easily be skipped with no significant impact to exp gain.