the HP problem

ogunernile · September 2013

I believe we are all adult enough to realize rrr9+12 [vit/josd] is pretty much the ultimate game changer....for pvp however this has created a bit of an issue clearly seen how two classes in particular have replaced the fishes as leaders of pvp.

considering 60k hp panzer tanks in OP gear is now possible...should damage be scaled differently for each class to account for this? what are your thoughts? PvP has been shoot in the foot by the Super Barb gear/build archetype...will this help? idk...but it sure would make things a bit more interesting. when a Super Barb walks onto the pk field [on this server at least] everyone leaves or no one wants to duel them because the outcome is pretty much already determined [assuming the players involved are skilled evenly or close to it, if the barb player is more skilled it is definite]. in essence you haven't fixed the problem..you just swapped the toons that were unbalanced and now people are like wahtever nothing's gonna change. that will keep the core players i guess but what about the new ones?

sidenote to the marketing team at pwi: when there are zero comments to your sales or events on the site.....that's not a good sign.

Mr_Swiss - Heavens Tear · September 2013

I swear that the same exact thing is posted not 2 spots under this.

skaitavia · September 2013

ogunernile wrote: »

I believe we are all adult enough to realize rrr9+12 [vit/josd] is pretty much the ultimate game changer....for pvp however this has created a bit of an issue clearly seen how two classes in particular have replaced the fishes as leaders of pvp.

considering 60k hp panzer tanks in OP gear is now possible...should damage be scaled differently for each class to account for this? what are your thoughts? PvP has been shoot in the foot by the Super Barb gear/build archetype...will this help? idk...but it sure would make things a bit more interesting. when a Super Barb walks onto the pk field [on this server at least] everyone leaves or no one wants to duel them because the outcome is pretty much already determined [assuming the players involved are skilled evenly or close to it, if the barb player is more skilled it is definite]. in essence you haven't fixed the problem..you just swapped the toons that were unbalanced and now people are like wahtever nothing's gonna change. that will keep the core players i guess but what about the new ones?

sidenote to the marketing team at pwi: when there are zero comments to your sales or events on the site.....that's not a good sign.

I would not be in support where damage scales differently per class, because sure, there is that one single 50k+ hp tank out there, but what about all the other barbs that are around 25-40k? If damage scales per class where someone like a Psychic can hit something like 30k on a barb for a single crit hit or something, then yeah, that'd be alright on the 50k+ hp person, but what about the others that would get 1 shot from it?

Gear imbalance is already there, and has been for so long already. There's no point in trying to change it. PWI is a pay-to-win, no matter how you see it, and while it isn't fair that those who don't dish out loads of money to be on the short end of the stick in terms of gear in PvP, it also isn't fair to those that do dish out loads of money to be nerfed, such that those who don't dish out money get closer in PvP. PWE's done compensation to both sides before as well, so we never know.

I would like to see that balance, but I don't think it will happen due to PWE's past with dealing with players' requests, such as these. While I don't particularly like that, it's true.

That's just my opinion, though.

Badonkajonck - Archosaur · September 2013

This is the same as what the other guys posted. Yawn.. f:tired

ogunernile · September 2013

Badonkajonck - Archosaur wrote: »

This is the same as what the other guys posted. Yawn.. f:tired

he was talking about charms...i am talking about damage. maybe all players should get a bonus to damage based on soulforce that way people of the same gear class can all have fun

WannaBM - Archosaur · September 2013

Are you a r999 + 12 full DOT psy whos complaining that there is a player who needs 2 shots for a kill, or what imbalance do you mean ?

ogunernile · September 2013

WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »

Are you a r999 + 12 full DOT psy whos complaining that there is a player who needs 2 shots for a kill, or what imbalance do you mean ?

i have friends across multiple servers......i am not the only one who sees this...barbs with the current skill set are the clear winners in 1v1. the imbalance i speak of that even a moderator can agree to, is the fact that in pk all you need to win is a Super Barb. i have watched fights between people where one person was extraordinarily skilled player in max gear and a barb played by a better than average player in +11/+12 with pure vit. the barb consistently wins...uber hp..a broken deaden skill, then there's the invoke hit me for all you got then i one shot you skill....i dont think i need continue....at this stage of the game i have been on for four years..idc...pwi doesn't listen to it players so we lose more and more and the huge egos that remain only stay to break the game even further. i am asking for people's ideas on possible solutions to help stop this and even the playing field in pk. cause all we all know on arch server pk is dead cause people find it pointless to come out just to die all the time to 1 or 2 jerks that think it's fun to kill everyone. and why not? it's not like anyone can stop them in 1v1.

gyroki · September 2013

The OP is an obvious troll and mod does even not recognize it lmao.

A R9 3rd cast 60k HP barb has about 50 defence levels. That's still a 2-3 shot for any skilled R9 3rd cast caster (if they know what they are doing, this does not include the op of course). And a 1-shot if barb get's debuffed with e.g. dragon.

When anti-death + turtle are available/activated, freeze or stun the barb till its over. Easy going, a barb would have to go to humaoid form for anti-stun skill. When he's doing that he's dead meat.

The only big damge a pure vit-barb might deal is armageddon. Just move abit (you can just walk, no need to run lolz) and a barb won't be able to cast it. It also can happen that a barb wastes the two sparks for armageddon and hp gets reduced by half but the skill doesn't proc on target because the target moved. Even if you get silenced, fozen or stunned by a barb, just use AD. The barb has only one, very low, chance. Next second he will be dead. Solid shield, high defence and so on won't help. Barbarians miss killer combos which other classes have. The only thing they can do: run!!

ogunernile · September 2013

gyroki wrote: »

The OP is an obvious troll and mod does even not recognize it lmao.

A R9 3rd cast 60k HP barb has about 50 defense levels. That's still a 2-3 shot for any skilled R9 3rd cast caster (if they know what they are doing, this does not include the op of course). And a 1-shot if barb get's debuffed with e.g. dragon.

When anti-death + turtle are available/activated, freeze or stun the barb till its over. Easy going, a barb would have to go to humanoid form for anti-stun skill. When he's doing that he's dead meat.

The only big damage a pure vit-barb might deal is armageddon. Just move a bit (you can just walk, no need to run lolz) and a barb won't be able to cast it. It also can happen that a barb wastes the two sparks for armageddon and hp gets reduced by half but the skill doesn't proc on target because the target moved. Even if you get silenced, frozen or stunned by a barb, just use AD. The barb has only one, very low, chance. Next second he will be dead. Solid shield, high defense and so on won't help. Barbarians miss killer combos which other classes have. The only thing they can do: run!!

you are either completely out your gourd, trolling yourself or you have no idea what you are saying. a demon barb with enough dex for claws for example will make mince meat of you little example....high magic damage? HoS SoF AD these are things a barb can do too...need to go human invoke first...and who is dumb enough not to immobilize the target and stun him or occult before armegeddon? go watch some barb fights and then come back...cause your argument has alot of loose holes. and as for missing killer combos you are dead wrong again, but that is a different discussion altogether.

gyroki · September 2013

ogunernile wrote: »

you are either completely out your gourd, trolling yourself or you have no idea what you are saying. a demon barb with enough dex for claws for example will make mince meat of you little example....high magic damage? HoS SoF AD these are things a barb can do too...need to go human invoke first...and who is dumb enough not to immobilize the target and stun him or occult before armegeddon? go watch some barb fights and then come back...cause your argument has alot of loose holes. and as for missing killer combos you are dead wrong again, but that is a different discussion altogether.

Ok you are just nerd-raging because you have no clue about pvp and lose all the time against a better barb. I got it, i will leave this wannabe pvp thread. I prefer discussion with people which have an idea what they are talkinb about, bye.

tsyfall · September 2013

BM kills barb 1v1, BM has worst physical damage besides barb for melee class

hp is fine

ogunernile · September 2013

gyroki wrote: »

Ok you are just nerd-raging because you have no clue about pvp and lose all the time against a better barb. I got it, i will leave this wannabe pvp thread. I prefer discussion with people which have an idea what they are talkinb about, bye.

lmao bye bye troll

ogunernile · September 2013

tsyfall wrote: »

BM kills barb 1v1, BM has worst physical damage besides barb for melee class

hp is fine

lol in what world?

Aeliah - Dreamweaver · September 2013

A barb with enough dext for claws can't possibly have 60k hp.

WannaBM - Archosaur · September 2013

Aeliah - Dreamweaver wrote: »

A barb with enough dext for claws can't possibly have 60k hp.

As if those 100 vit = 3k buffed make the difference.

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver · September 2013

ogunernile wrote: »

sidenote to the marketing team at pwi: when there are zero comments to your sales or events on the site.....that's not a good sign.

I think it was mentioned in another thread that they turned off being able to comment on the announcements, though the box is still there.

To the actual topic: meh.
Any class can be op at end game, and it's not like every single barb that ever exists is an indestructible tank mowing everything and everyone down, there are some yes, but even they can get killed. Same could be said for any of those ridiculously op players of a different class.

Riverwell - Archosaur · September 2013

edit -- wrong thread

ogunernile · September 2013

Narcillatrix - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I think it was mentioned in another thread that they turned off being able to comment on the announcements, though the box is still there.

To the actual topic: meh.
Any class can be op at end game, and it's not like every single barb that ever exists is an indestructible tank mowing everything and everyone down, there are some yes, but even they can get killed. Same could be said for any of those ridiculously op players of a different class.

but when all the ridiculously OP classes get together to pk barbs win...go on vendetta or on any private server you will see. guys [and gals].....even if you know already know everything there is to know about pk, i humbly request you go look at some the pk's on this and other servers as well. again my point is not to hate on barbs...i am looking for possible suggestions as to how to even things out. after four years of playing i know pwi doesn't care but we the players do. so even if it's just therapeutic at this point i think talking about this in an open forum might one day get thru to those **** designers that a balanced game makes more money than a broken one.

Ahira - Lost City · September 2013

If barbs were meant to be killed as easily they wouldnt be a tank class =X

war34child · September 2013

Ahira - Lost City wrote: »

If barbs were meant to be killed as easily they wouldnt be a tank class =X

He even complains that pure vit barbs are able to kill everything. He didn't recognize yet, after 4 years of playing this game, that vit-barbs are a 1-trick-pony pvp-wise. And when they go to normal form + use armageddon they lose most of their HP (+ 2 sparks). One attack of an end-game mage would be enough to kill the barb at this point.
A vit-barb is reduced to one pvp skill, all other skills would require strength to deal serious damage (have fun trying to get full max. HP and sparks back for turtle and armageddon). And without full JoSD shards they are also very squishy because there is a big gap between attack and defence level bonus on all set of gears.

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · September 2013

OMG there is one 60k barb I cant kill fast, better boost damage

ogunernile · September 2013

war34child wrote: »

He even complains that pure vit barbs are able to kill everything. He didn't recognize yet, after 4 years of playing this game, that vit-barbs are a 1-trick-pony pvp-wise. And when they go to normal form + use armageddon they lose most of their HP (+ 2 sparks). One attack of an end-game mage would be enough to kill the barb at this point.
A vit-barb is reduced to one pvp skill, all other skills would require strength to deal serious damage (have fun trying to get full max. HP and sparks back for turtle and armageddon). And without full JoSD shards they are also very squishy because there is a big gap between attack and defence level bonus on all set of gears.

lmao you guys need to go elsewhere to troll...seriously. i have a barb and have played on many friends accounts who have super barbs...anyone with a degree of common sense will set themselves up to arma...and even if it's a one trick pony, a good barb can tank it out till he has everything set up. before you seek to antagonize of debunk what i am saying why don't you watch some of the fights on this and other servers...if you do you research you will see what i am saying.

people post stuff on this forum to express views and that is what i am asking for..not a rebuttal or auto troll. and let's say the barb loses 3k hp so he can use claws? certain friends of mine have very broken builds for barbs the allow them to own...period. going forward, assume the barb player is competent and just think about it. in this example you totally left out invoke and cornered beast as part of after arma equation...assuming the person survives it.

ogunernile · September 2013

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

OMG there is one 60k barb I cant kill fast, better boost damage

OMG i have a super barb and cant be killed in pvp so it's boring.....

that is the angle i am coming from....who cares about being killed quickly? i have duels that have lasted over an hour. so before you assume, think....

Eoria - Harshlands · September 2013

Wait for barb to start arma->expel yourself.

trollolololol.

skaitavia · September 2013

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