PV 100+ Squad Mode ONLY

Marengo - Lost City · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.

I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.

Maybe it's not so but really looks like envy to those who can solo PV while you can't.

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Some with more got grandfathered in when the rule was made.

That being said, the last BH I bothered doing was all one guy, and me - full squad.

He got 7 Million in cards for that run, while I got the coin share. THATS why you dont see people bothering to do stuff with others anymore. Even if you dont need the coin or drops, its just a rub to watch one player, or one faction in the run grab everything for themselves. *shrugs*

b:shocked waittt, you conclude out of bad luck that people do not do bh because other do not share their own bh reward? wth

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

Maybe it's not so but really looks like envy to those who can solo PV while you can't.

That's a reasonable assertation, but you are correct, it is not so.

There is indeed so much more than just PV I cant solo. b:chuckle

Ebrithalia - Dreamweaver wrote: »

b:shocked waittt, you conclude out of bad luck that people do not do bh because other do not share their own bh reward? wth

You would assume its our bad luck? One guy with 3 toons hanging off his back and me duo an instance and he gets everything - literally everything - except my 1/5th of the coin drops.

Meh...you could be right. I could be overreacting to that. Im not claiming he was on more than 1 account at all. Idk. I do know he PM'd me to tell me he got 1 5M card, and 2 1M cards for the run, along with providing links. How cool is that? b:cool b:chuckle

Marengo - Lost City · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

You would assume its our bad luck? One guy with 3 toons hanging off his back and me duo an instance and he gets everything - literally everything - except my 1/5th of the coin drops.

Meh...you could be right. I could be overreacting to that. Im not claiming he was on more than 1 account at all. Idk. I do know he PM'd me to tell me he got 1 5M card, and 2 1M cards for the run, along with providing links. How cool is that? b:cool b:chuckle

I don't see connection between randomness of BH rewards and forbidding to solo PV. We already have squad instance - EU/AEU. And PV is like a good alternative. Besides if you make it harder for bad geared players it will cause new wave of QQing "everything is for csers" and "you need r9r to run bh/pv/cv/etc".

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

Im not OP for PvE. I cant even do a FWS yet, not that I care about it right now anyways

nobody can really solo FWS

How else could you possibly explain the changes to Abba and SoT? Instead of being upset about getting a recycled instance that is beneath them - the OP embrace the change, and wanna know why people who still need to do cultis in there, or as a normal lvl 99 BH arent so happy. *shrugs*

oh those pooor pooor pre 100 toons that are yearning to do their fb99; how cruel that pwi made those instances harder so they cannot do their culti with 9x squads as they used to! Oh, I so fondly remember my fb99, 3 99 toons a cleric 90 and some 95s.... oh wait no, full squad of 100+ and we had to wait for the 5aps+10 bm's cleric wife to login.

funny that you mention sot+aba though. aba is hardly harder and doing sot with a 9x squad is easier than doing fb19 with a 1x squad (hell, even a 8x squad could do it if they could enter). ofc, if you are able to think and you are not a ginding-baby whose greatest epiphany was pulling with earthflame

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

Marengo - Lost City wrote: »

I don't see connection between randomness of BH rewards and forbidding to solo PV. We already have squad instance - EU/AEU. And PV is like a good alternative. Besides if you make it harder for bad geared players it will cause new wave of QQing "everything is for csers" and "you need r9r to run bh/pv/cv/etc".

Okies, in a perfect Perfect World, one could agree with that. There is no connection, its a tangent from the orginal topic. Not unrelated, but not totally in the spirit of the original topic.

One would need to go back and thoughtfully reread the entire conversation - no skimming and hitting on buzzwords or anything, just straight forward reading - to see the connection. Im not saying anyone absolutely has to go back and do that in order to stay on topic. Merely answering the claimed inability to see it.

Im not QQing about anything. I dont mind if all the low levels and undergeared, including myself, dont really care if they squad with anyone or not - in some cases prefering not to.

Some claim that preference is made because of FC, which is just silly to me. Id rather be with an honest player who may not know everything, than a dishonest one that may know everything. Is it so far fetched that others may think like me in that regard, and either leave the game entirely, or simply take their ingame invlovement in it down to a base level of enjoyment...alone? *shrugs*

PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »

oh those pooor pooor pre 100 toons that are yearning to do their fb99; how cruel that pwi made those instances harder so they cannot do their culti with 9x squads as they used to! Oh, I so fondly remember my fb99, 3 99 toons a cleric 90 and some 95s.... oh wait no, full squad of 100+ and we had to wait for the 5aps+10 bm's cleric wife to login.

funny that you mention sot+aba though. aba is hardly harder and doing sot with a 9x squad is easier than doing fb19 with a 1x squad (hell, even a 8x squad could do it if they could enter). ofc, if you are able to think and you are not a ginding-baby whose greatest epiphany was pulling with earthflame

Im a woman. We dont have epiphanies, thanks all the same. o_0 f:melon

Xinnz - Heavens Tear · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.

I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.

Ofc, we also need to disable Hypers in PV 100+ as well as anywhere else leet high levels like to collect mobs and use them to get to 105. How do they ever learn to play their class that way?

OHT map 3 - no Hypers there either. That would just stink. *pew pew*

this isn't a social network anyway so why is being social an issue? social skills are developed in real life, not in a game. so most likely they're the same in rl too and you can't do anything about that. even so, the whole point of the game is to make your toon as OP as you can, its just a matter of how desperate people are, which makes them greedy with leveling or farming, etc.

squad dynamics need to be learned early in the game, you cant expect lowbies to solo a lot of things so this is the time to learn it. don't rage at pv, rage at power levelling.

if you can solo pv, well done. its good since you can level yourself up to cap faster. people who can do it dont seem to complain, after all even with OP gears not everyone can do it. you need to know how much damage ur toon can take, how many mobs to pull, the right timing and spot to place yourself so mobs dont reset. being able to solo pv is an achievement.

is the reason this thread was created is cos you can't solo PV 100+?

BriarIce - Raging Tide · September 2013

Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »

You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.

I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.

Ofc, we also need to disable Hypers in PV 100+ as well as anywhere else leet high levels like to collect mobs and use them to get to 105. How do they ever learn to play their class that way?

OHT map 3 - no Hypers there either. That would just stink. *pew pew*

Higher, more well geared people being less sociable with people 'lower' than them? Really?

Now that I have r9rr and before that I have actually always 'socialised' with other people in the game as gear is not the most important thing in this gamne to me. I like the gear I have but do not judge others by that. The only time I may have done so was when a faction requirement was based on a certain level of gear (which of course you used as an excuse to troll me whilst we were in the same faction).

The hypocrisy is laughable Brillance. fyi way before I got r9 I used to try talk to you and you were constantly afk and did not respond to my messages. So yes, back then I did make the effort to contact you. You did not return it.

Then when I got r9 you were very surprised and accused me of thinking I was too good for you and never talking to you. You acted all butthurt that I had never tried to socialise with you.

I have come into this thread because I find it a joke. You seem to start threads that are quite hypocritical and like to come across as 'poor me, no one wants to play with me'.

Maybe there is a reason why us better geared players do not like 'socilaising' with some lower levels or lesser geared. Maybe it is not the gear but your attitude that gets in your way of being 'socialised' with.

Anyway I am not going to stay in this thread. Just wanted to point out something that is pertty obvious here.

Carry on your trolling Brillance...you are clearly trying to become more practiced in it.

p.s. For those who have asked me or think that this Brillance is an alt of mine we are not the same player.

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

BriarIce - Raging Tide wrote: »

Higher, more well geared people being less sociable with people 'lower' than them? Really?

Now that I have r9rr and before that I have actually always 'socialised' with other people in the game as gear is not the most important thing in this gamne to me. I like the gear I have but do not judge others by that. The only time I may have done so was when a faction requirement was based on a certain level of gear (which of course you used as an excuse to troll me whilst we were in the same faction).

The hypocrisy is laughable Brillance. fyi way before I got r9 I used to try talk to you and you were constantly afk and did not respond to my messages. So yes, back then I did make the effort to contact you. You did not return it.

Then when I got r9 you were very surprised and accused me of thinking I was too good for you and never talking to you. You acted all butthurt that I had never tried to socialise with you.

I have come into this thread because I find it a joke. You seem to start threads that are quite hypocritical and like to come across as 'poor me, no one wants to play with me'.

Maybe there is a reason why us better geared players do not like 'socilaising' with some lower levels or lesser geared. Maybe it is not the gear but your attitude that gets in your way of being 'socialised' with.

Anyway I am not going to stay in this thread. Just wanted to point out something that is pertty obvious here.

Carry on your trolling Brillance...you are clearly trying to become more practiced in it.

p.s. For those who have asked me or think that this Brillance is an alt of mine we are not the same player.

Wow, Bri. I was making a point that YOU took personal - even though I hoped that you wouldnt and told you so, and for your benefit I will not rehash on the forums, lol. You left the faction.

I told them to get you back (yes, you were R9, and it was a TW faction) and that I would leave - but they told me I wasnt going anywhere. This is not the place for any of this. Wow.

Anyway, its nice to see how high level well geared players react when they see something they enjoy threatened by others that have nothing to do with it.

Kind of helps prove the point of my making this thread in the first place.

Whats good for the goose, IS good for the gander. b:thanks

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · September 2013

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

That is the reason why people squad less and less with other people.

People multi-client 6 accounts and go do BH, PV or w/e with their main and 5 alts.

I do like been able to log my shop and play on a other char in the same time, but multi-client is what is killing the game. People don't need to make squad with other people, they multi-client all their alts and solo everything.

If multi-client wasn't allowed people would have no choice to squad other people.

What makes you think you know the reason that people like me don't/won't squad with others? I would much rather leave empty spaces in squad (and have on numerous occasion) than fill it with randoms.

Example 1... since I can't multi arch/sin (same account) for sin's fb99 cult. Instead of playing other other and find a squad of 9 other people who all needs the cult... I finished the whole thing with 2 other guildies.

Example 2... my bh abadons... even though I probably could use my cleric to rez people that die at rocks. No way in hell am I going to risk getting killed by rocks so I can rez some 5k hp nublet who somehow manage to die right smack in the center of the rock path. So while I might be nice and invite randoms... I will leave you and move on if you die at rocks.

Its not that we don't squad with others cause we can squad with ourselves... its that squading with 2 friendlies save much much much headache than 9 others. Call me elitist or whatever... but until these others gear up enough not to die to a single rock... I am going to run without you.

Bashmaster - Raging Tide · September 2013

I apologize on behalf of Raging Tides. Not all of us are this 'brillant' b:laugh

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

Bashmaster - Raging Tide wrote: »

I apologize on behalf of Raging Tides. Not all of us are this 'brillant' b:laugh

Yep, no one shines like I do apparently. Peeps I never heard of leech from the wood work when I make a thread. xD

Maybe its time to close this thread? I dont think its point was lost on people who participated in it. And, I thank everyone for their participation in it. b:thanks

People can disregard the point if they want to. Doesnt matter to me, afterall, Im just one person. I dont have a faction to try to fill up, or anything but a game I currently play...alone, usually.

Two brilliant things this game has going for it - its char creation is second to none, imho. It has the Mystic, which I thoroughly enjoy, and have found no other char like it in any other game.

Would a Mod please close this?

Its been discussed, and hopefully, everyone left it with something to think about. Heck, I know I did. b:pleased

ApocaIypto - Dreamweaver · September 2013

remove hypers in PV? PV was made for xp, if you remove hypers whats the point doing it?

this game is old, if you remove hypers, getting to 100 will be as hard as before, means less players will bother lvling to 100, less lvl 100+ players, even more boring game

Mizuryu - Harshlands · September 2013

Why should people change their gameplay because of other people's opinion?
People are just like that, in school and at work

Shesh, it's not like you bought them their gear.

bobyjoee · September 2013

If people want to solo pv with their gear then let them, why do you care if they don't say hello back? Stop trying to ruin the game for others, not everyone shares your opinion. If you don't like pv then dont do it. Simple as that. Reading through this thread, op is a total idiot.

Now I'm going to solo pv b:chuckle

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

So what? It should stay the same so all those Hyper babies that graduated with honors from FC can still be on easy street - while nerfing those using FC behind them?? b:shocked

If anyone bothers to read the conversation, they can easily see that I totally agree with you guys. It isnt anyone's business how anyone else chooses to play the game. b:victory

Mod please lock this? lol

Xainou - Sanctuary · September 2013

Awww mommy, the other kids don't wanna play with me, lock out of the playground. b:cry

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

Awww mommy, the other kids don't wanna play with me, lock out of the playground. b:cry

Awe diddums. Dont be that way. Im sure you make friends very easy. ^.^

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2013

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What makes you think you know the reason that people like me don't/won't squad with others? I would much rather leave empty spaces in squad (and have on numerous occasion) than fill it with randoms.

Example 1... since I can't multi arch/sin (same account) for sin's fb99 cult. Instead of playing other other and find a squad of 9 other people who all needs the cult... I finished the whole thing with 2 other guildies.

Example 2... my bh abadons... even though I probably could use my cleric to rez people that die at rocks. No way in hell am I going to risk getting killed by rocks so I can rez some 5k hp nublet who somehow manage to die right smack in the center of the rock path. So while I might be nice and invite randoms... I will leave you and move on if you die at rocks.

Its not that we don't squad with others cause we can squad with ourselves... its that squading with 2 friendlies save much much much headache than 9 others. Call me elitist or whatever... but until these others gear up enough not to die to a single rock... I am going to run without you.

I never said you was doing it, I said people.

But there's a ton of people doing it.

I never spoke about who people squad, friends or randoms, but about the fact that some people multi-client enough accounts to do it by themselves beside squad other players.

I'm not only speaking about lvl 100+ content, but everything.

Have you never did multi-client to do a BH29-39 on a alt by soloing with your main? Or logging your main to solo the culti boss like Gouf, Rattus etc...?

Pretty much everyone that have a alt on a other account than their main did it at some point.

I know some people that log over 5 chars in PVP to self -buff themselves.

I know some people that do full GV by themselves with only their chars.

Same for Lunar, TT, BH etc...

People that can solo stuff like BH Sot on 1 char would still be able to do it without multi-client, but people that can solo cause they play 6 chars at the same time would not have choice to squad if they wasn't able to multi-client.

Multi-client in my opinion is a part of why there's no low lvl action anymore and why there's less and less people squading for things like bh.

I do like be able to multi-client, but I know it's a big reason why many people don't do anything anymore with other people.

Colum - Raging Tide · September 2013

I can solo PV, I must be antisocial and unskilled now. b:bored

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

Colum - Raging Tide wrote: »

I can solo PV, I must be antisocial and unskilled now. b:bored

Hey, you would know better than anyone, Im sure. *shrugs*

I wouldnt talk like that on a public forum though. Thats something you can feel free to keep to yourself.

b:quiet

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · September 2013

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I never said you was doing it, I said people.

But there's a ton of people doing it.

People is the plural of person... and as a person... I AM doing it.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I never spoke about who people squad, friends or randoms, but about the fact that some people multi-client enough accounts to do it by themselves beside squad other players.

It is still easier to squad with my own alt than to squad with friends/guildies/anyone else. Ex. when my cleric is in squad... i know when heals are coming and just how strong the heal is... so i can time my pot or speed/mob count. The same can't be said for even the best of clerics... maybe I am not his/her priority or s/he is lagging... charm tick.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Have you never did multi-client to do a BH29-39 on a alt by soloing with your main? Or logging your main to solo the culti boss like Gouf, Rattus etc...?

Pretty much everyone that have a alt on a other account than their main did it at some point.

I know some people that log over 5 chars in PVP to self -buff themselves.

I know some people that do full GV by themselves with only their chars.

Same for Lunar, TT, BH etc...

People that can solo stuff like BH Sot on 1 char would still be able to do it without multi-client, but people that can solo cause they play 6 chars at the same time would not have choice to squad if they wasn't able to multi-client.

Multi-client in my opinion is a part of why there's no low lvl action anymore and why there's less and less people squading for things like bh.

I done all of that... I soloed all cult/fb/kill quest for my alt, I log my cleric/mystic/veno/psy to buff my archer for pk/tw/nw... I duo arch/cleric rb/lunar/bh... sin solo tt. Unless you don't understand my statement before. No one have any problem squading for the likes of bh and what not. But we do have problem when squading with other slow down our game place. When we can complete a bh in 5-10 minutes with 4 people... why would we add 6 more just to slow everything down to a 20 minute run. If you can't keep up... don't expected to be squaded.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

I do like be able to multi-client, but I know it's a big reason why many people don't do anything anymore with other people.

Why is it your concern people like me don't/won't squad with other people. Truth to be told... more often than not... I find people on PWI to be weird and just down right psychotic. If I won't socialize with these people in real life... why would I socialize with them in game. And who the f are you trying to make people like me socialize with people whom we don't want to talk to in the first place. I don't need everyone to like me... or hundreds of friends... or say hi to everyone that I pass on the street. My small circle of friends is more than enough for me.

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2013

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I done all of that... I soloed all cult/fb/kill quest for my alt, I log my cleric/mystic/veno/psy to buff my archer for pk/tw/nw...

Do you realize that on forum, where everyone can see, you say that you violate the TOS and you are proud of it?

Yes people like you are a reason why the game is like it is right now.

Perfect World is a MMORPG

MMORPG=Massively multiplayer online role-playing game

What's the point to play a MMO if you don't interact with other people?

Go play Zelda or something if you don't want to play with other people.

P.s: Brilliance, now you can be sure that thread will be close, that genius encourage the violation of the TOS on multi-client more than 2 accounts to make things more fast in game beside squad with other ''slow'' people.

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver · September 2013

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Do you realize that on forum, where everyone can see, you say that you violate the TOS and you are proud of it?

Yes people like you are a reason why the game is like it is right now.

Perfect World is a MMORPG

MMORPG=Massively multiplayer online role-playing game

What's the point to play a MMO if you don't interact with other people?

Go play Zelda or something if you don't want to play with other people.

P.s: Brilliance, now you can be sure that thread will be close, that genius encourage the violation of the TOS on multi-client more than 2 accounts to make things more fast in game beside squad with other ''slow'' people.

Point out where he actually says he has broken the ToS. There is nothing wrong with logging alts one at a time to buff another toon. The rest is about him duoing eveything else for his alt.

The game is only antisocial because a good player can do things more efficiently by themselves or with a small friend group than with other people that generally either don't know what they are doing or make things take a lot longer than they should.

To the OP, PV was made as an xp instance. If you take away hypers from it what would the point be for the instance, a place to make friends? or are you going to spend your time in there just to farm the fortification draughts? PV last ~15mins a day whether it is done in squad or solo. This gives plenty of time before or afterwards for people to be social, to do other squad based instances or just sit around and chat like I do...

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2013

SMASHnHEAL - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Point out where he actually says he has broken the ToS. There is nothing wrong with logging alts one at a time to buff another toon. The rest is about him duoing eveything else for his alt.

Ok unless he is really lucky, how ALL his alts get in the same Nation than his archer in NW?

He's maybe not social, but he seems really smart to me and I doubt a smart person like him waste time in TW to log 5 alts one by one to rebuff himself everytime he die, they are probably all online afk in the base.

Xainou - Sanctuary · September 2013

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »

Ok unless he is really lucky, how ALL his alts get in the same Nation than his archer in NW?

You do realize that squads get into the same nation, right...?

Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands · September 2013

Xainou - Sanctuary wrote: »

You do realize that squads get into the same nation, right...?

Which is my point that he log more than 2 clients in the same time.

He said he buff his archer with 4 alts in NW, and Smash said it didn't mean he multi more than 2 clients.

If he log his alts one by one as Smash pretend than he's freaking lucky to each time get all of them in the same nation and I do not believe in that kind of luck.

Which mean he probably squad his 4-5 alts to get in the same nation which mean he multi more than 2 accounts.

Which is my point of if multi wasn't allowed he would need to squad with people or to stay unbuffed.

EDIT: That game is a MMO and wasn't design for people to log 5-6 chars and solo everything by themselves. It wasn't designed for that, it's even against the TOS, but a lot of people do it.

SashaGray - Heavens Tear · September 2013

speaking of developing friendships, OP should try that as well, instead of making troll threads about nonsense on a sunday afternoon, ijs.

Brillance - Raging Tide · September 2013

SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »

speaking of developing friendships, OP should try that as well, instead of making troll threads about nonsense on a sunday afternoon, ijs.

The thread proved a point. I guess if it hits a nerve one could call it a troll if they want.

I have a couple friends currently. I had tons of them a while back, but they all quit playing. Im not worried about collecting friends. In this game these days, a friend is more like a business partner - they just want in your pockets, want to cyber, or whatever they want. o.o *shrugs*

f:strive

Im all about gears now. Its all about making coin and resisting the temptation to pick up a new outfit while farming my way to R9. b:chuckle

I doubt anyone feels the thread to restrict players & Hypers in FC is a troll of nonsense on a sunday afternoon. At least if they do, they seem to be afraid to say so. Go figure?

Flip the coin, and wala...

OMG! This is not good for me! b:shocked What a troll!!!! b:shutup

Xainou - Sanctuary · September 2013

I'll never understand why people QQ about others multi clienting. Why the hell does it bother you, unless they're in your squad slowing it down by not contributing?

Hell, look at TT. Still takes 4 people to open, easily soloable by one. And the same concept goes for a lot of instances now. Yes, it shouldn't be that way in a good multiplayer game. But you know what? You won't change a thing if you force people into squadding now. Lol, I'd take triple the time just to do my dailies and getbored while doing so, cause one client just doesn't challenge me. I'd probably just end up quitting at some point. And I doubt I'd be the only one.

PV 100+ Squad Mode ONLY

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