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Brillance - Raging Tide
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You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.
I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.
Ofc, we also need to disable Hypers in PV 100+ as well as anywhere else leet high levels like to collect mobs and use them to get to 105. How do they ever learn to play their class that way?
OHT map 3 - no Hypers there either. That would just stink. *pew pew*
I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.
Ofc, we also need to disable Hypers in PV 100+ as well as anywhere else leet high levels like to collect mobs and use them to get to 105. How do they ever learn to play their class that way?
OHT map 3 - no Hypers there either. That would just stink. *pew pew*
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This actually would improve things, you're just being silly :x"In the beginning, it was claimed that all in Perfect World were equal. But now it seems that some are more equal than others..." ~ Lost City Recluse0
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Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.
I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.
Ofc, we also need to disable Hypers in PV 100+ as well as anywhere else leet high levels like to collect mobs and use them to get to 105. How do they ever learn to play their class that way?
OHT map 3 - no Hypers there either. That would just stink. *pew pew*
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Sorry, but lot of players, no matter of lvl, are snobbish ad selfish and they think "I'm playing" single player game. It's depend of player type, not all are "social" you forgot about others language players (no USA), witch are very close and never open(like central EU)< happy statistics> also you can't forbid them to grind/exp or playing alone, they are so, and you can't change it. b:surrender
I personally have no guild and no real friend in game, but I like this game very much. Anyway it's about fun, and fun can you defined on very different ways. For example for me, it's a fun to farm alone for 2 hours in day, doing daily quests and log off, no need friends or guild there. It's just a GAME and no real life. it's like :use it: and have a fun but don't live there :P0 -
@ MyMate
Are you denying a lot of high levels have issues playing their class?
Are you denying they are also kind of mental when it comes to socializing with those they see as beneath them?
Are you saying that Hypers somehow become a valid way to level once you are big enough to do level 100 PV? How could that be?
If Hypers are invalid, arent they invalid for all?
Idc if anyone says its silly. Its not any sillier than when people use the same arguement to effect players who are not as well geared or as high a level as they are, imho.
If the point is valid, its a valid point for everyone. b:pleasedAdroit - Lost City wrote: »lolz b:chuckle
Ikr? xD0 -
Sorry, but lot of players, no matter of lvl, are snobbish ad selfish and they think "I'm playing" single player game. It's depend of player type, not all are "social" you forgot about others language players (no USA), witch are very close and never open(like central EU)< happy statistics> also you can't forbid them to grind/exp or playing alone, they are so, and you can't change it. b:surrender
I personally have no guild and no real friend in game, but I like this game very much. Anyway it's about fun, and fun can you defined on very different ways. For example for me, it's a fun to farm alone for 2 hours in day, doing daily quests and log off, no need friends or guild there. It's just a GAME and no real life. it's like :use it: and have a fun but don't live there :P
+1. Thanks for your thoughful post. b:thanks0 -
You are really naive if you think that changing PV to be a squad instance will make people more sociable.
Well geared people doing 5-6 solo PV runs a day do it by logging 5-6 alts/accounts, so for them it would not change anything really.
If you remove hypers from PV people will just go back in FC. (solo the FC ofc)
Result? Yes maybe people will lvl from 100-105 a bit slowly, but it would not make people be more sociable and would not make people learn more their class.
My mystic have a year and few months, I'm lvl 103 at 15% exp, I didn't power lvl, I did my quests, bh and stuff from lvl 1 to 80, than I did FC, bh and quests from 80 to 100, after 100 I did dailies pretty much, I did max 3 FC and PV since lvl 100 and I'm prolly sure I'll get 104 before my mystic got 2 years just with dailies and events.
I think people don't realize how easy it is to lvl now without even PV or FC.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »You are really naive if you think that changing PV to be a squad instance will make people more sociable.
Well geared people doing 5-6 solo PV runs a day do it by logging 5-6 alts/accounts, so for them it would not change anything really.
If you remove hypers from PV people will just go back in FC. (solo the FC ofc)
Result? Yes maybe people will lvl from 100-105 a bit slowly, but it would not make people be more sociable and would not make people learn more their class.
My mystic have a year and few months, I'm lvl 103 at 15% exp, I didn't power lvl, I did my quests, bh and stuff from lvl 1 to 80, than I did FC, bh and quests from 80 to 100, after 100 I did dailies pretty much, I did max 3 FC and PV since lvl 100 and I'm prolly sure I'll get 104 before my mystic got 2 years just with dailies and events.
I think people don't realize how easy it is to lvl now without even PV or FC.
What do I care what well geared people like to do. I can easily see how much they care about what non-well geared people like to do.
Isnt it funny - whats good for me, is not seen to be good for them - even though its their idea? xD
My Mystic has 3 years, and isnt 102 yet. And no, Bella, I dont think that makes me a better player than you are. I just think we like to play differently.
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Is this thread supposed to be a bad joke?
PV already is a "Squad mode" thing considering that people still need openers for it and it can still be run as a squad for those who want to run it that way too. Same could be said about TT. Whether or not someone has the gear/skill to handle it is one thing, but should someone wish to do so, they shouldnt be inhibited from soloing content just for the sake of "forcing" more sociable interaction.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]Remember: OP may be a duck|OP/GMs/Devs may not deliver|Search function is your friend|Lurk more|Be wary of Mods: they can't be trusted|This place isn't a hugbox|Your tears sustain me|Know what Bait is|"Soon" may never come|Postcount, Dubs, and other GETs are important|Don't revive long dead threads|There is a section for everything|You can be banned for anything|No Fun Allowed outside of OT|Sweetiebot rules OT|"Circlejerks" are inevitable|Threads can be derailed and saved|Those who use"XD" should off themselves at their earliest convenience|0 -
Euthymius - Heavens Tear wrote: »Is this thread supposed to be a bad joke?
PV already is a "Squad mode" thing considering that people still need openers for it. Same could be said about TT. Whether or not someone has the gear/skill to handle it is one thing, but should someone wish to do so, they shouldnt be inhibited from soloing content just for the sake of "forcing" more sociable interaction.
No it isnt. As you point out, it was never intended to be soloed with Hypers to help people level. It is not FC, but it is used as a semi-private FC nonetheless.
Thanks for the post. b:thanks0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »@ MyMate
Are you denying a lot of high levels have issues playing their class?
Are you denying they are also kind of mental when it comes to socializing with those they see as beneath them?
Are you saying that Hypers somehow become a valid way to level once you are big enough to do level 100 PV? How could that be?
If Hypers are invalid, arent they invalid for all?
Idc if anyone says its silly. Its not any sillier than when people use the same arguement to effect players who are not as well geared or as high a level as they are, imho.
If the point is valid, its a valid point for everyone. b:pleased
Nope, not denying that you got a point. But limiting the game in that way would still just be silly, while limiting FC to 75+ (not limiting hypers in any way) would force players to play the game instead of buying big rooms to skip all content but culti (and not even doing that in some sad cases). The way the game is now questing to 75 can be done by a casual player in a week. You could still power level, either by zhenning or doing lower level PV, but you would have to actually do some work for it.
And besides, if you wanna fix a problem you gotta start at the source. A lvl 100 player probably won't change, a new player could be influenced to be a better player from the start.
But that's just my opinion. You are of course entitled to your own. In the end the whole discussion is pointless since if nothing have changed yet it's highly unlikely anything will ever change."In the beginning, it was claimed that all in Perfect World were equal. But now it seems that some are more equal than others..." ~ Lost City Recluse0 -
Also there is a reason why they appear less sociable.
When multiple players join in a squad, some gain more by this team up than others. Obviously the OP players are the ones who gain least by teaming up and the undergeared ones are the ones who gain most.
So yes, the OP ones prefer to play with other OP people or solo.
-snip- i did make some progress in game and i do recognise this process in myself. I just dont feel like joining public TT squads anymore if i can just as well solo them and have all the loot for myself. When i was a TT90 barb, i would QQ why nobe of those selfish sins would join my TT runs.Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »What do I care what well geared people like to do.Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »You know, a lot of well geared players are anti-social. They prefer to use their leet gears to solo PvE content.
I think they should make PV 100+ non-soloable, so those players can start to develope social skills and learn squad dynamics.
I have 2 theories about you.
-You share your account and someone else reply to your own thread with your account.
Or
-You have a multiple personality disorder.
You make that thread about well geared players, than say you don't care about them?
I'm sorry, but how you want people to take you seriously while you contradict yourself everytime you post.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »Also there is a reason why they appear less sociable.
When multiple players join in a squad, some gain more by this team up than others. Obviously the OP players are the ones who gain least by teaming up and the undergeared ones are the ones who gain most.
So yes, the OP ones prefer to play with other OP people or solo.
It is kind of the same as most of the poor people voting socialist and the rich people voting capitalist directions. The poor people blame the rich for their selfishness. Yet as soon as they become rich, their political preference changes as well. And you cant blame them really. While i aint rich enough yet in real life to vote for the right wing capitalists, i did make some progress in game and i do recognise this process in myself. I just dont feel like joining public TT squads anymore if i can just as well solo them and have all the loot for myself. When i was a TT90 barb, i would QQ why nobe of those selfish sins would join my TT runs.
You have a point, but OP geared players do very little with non-OP geared squads. It would only make them more social, and better at squad dynamics for that. Some do TW with them, but little else.
If the high levels and OP geared are going to lead us all into the future of PW, they need to set the example - and not continue to benefit from what they dont want to see others doing.
They should be "practicing what they preach', shouldnt they? Or, maybe just get off their soapbox for a few minutes. It doesnt matter the quality of team dynamics in squads that one will never participate in anyway, does it?Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »I have 2 theories about you.
-You share your account and someone else reply to your own thread with your account.
Or
-You have a multiple personality disorder.
You make that thread about well geared players, than say you don't care about them?
I'm sorry, but how you want people to take you seriously while you contradict yourself everytime you post.
I have theories about you too Bella, but alas, Im just too much of a Lady to share them with anyone.
Thanks for the personal attack post. We are all very impressed. b:chuckle0 -
Yeah, people which solo stuff don't know how to play because....
they don't rely on others and they don't exploit proper geared people... oh wait... NOT!
>How do they ever learn to play their class that way?
Btw, what's the definition of "their", respectively "my" class. I'm allowed to play ALL classes I want to play - and guess what, I even do it. I know some classes better, some worse. Idc. As long as you know the 2-3 main skills which you need in squads it's all fine.
99% of all problems squads have, is, that crappy geared people act as if they have full r999/+12 equipment. I can alot of pve content more easy and faster alone because I don't have to care about those aggro kids.
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Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »You have a point, but OP geared players do very little with non-OP geared squads.
and you base this on what? it's natural to meet more non-OP than OP players in your squad; there are fewer OP people. plus, they are typically in big factions where doing faction-only runs is a viable option (and many people chose it).
on the other hand, how do you define OP? for pve almost everyone is OP these days. what's left is 2.9k-ohI'msopure-g12 morai clerics and /\s$aSzzzln oneshot fishies with evasion ornies. call my elitist but I'd rather avoid them.Yeah, people which solo stuff don't know how to play because....
they don't rely on others and they don't exploit proper geared people... oh wait... NOT!
i'm such a noob cause I solo lunar instead of forming free squads during 2xyou only purge once #yopo0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »You have a point, but OP geared players do very little with non-OP geared squads. It would only make them more social, and better at squad dynamics for that. Some do TW with them, but little else.
How is it that all OP geared players are assumed to be less social and worse at squad dynamics? Most players walking around with OP gear have been less geared than the average player at one point. b:bye*I never thought Perfect world was beautiful... till I discovered that my graphics' quality settings were on low*0 -
PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »and you base this on what? it's natural to meet more non-OP than OP players in your squad; there are fewer OP people. plus, they are typically in big factions where doing faction-only runs is a viable option (and many people chose it).
on the other hand, how do you define OP? for pve almost everyone is OP these days. what's left is 2.9k-ohI'msopure-g12 morai clerics and /\s$aSzzzln oneshot fishies with evasion ornies. call my elitist but I'd rather avoid them.
i'm such a noob cause I solo lunar instead of forming free squads during 2x
I base it on exactly what you said. And thanks for agreeing that people should play exactly how and the way they want to.
Im not OP for PvE. I cant even do a FWS yet, not that I care about it right now anyways.
I think people want to control what others do for plenty of reasons - not the least of which is money. If PWI wants all the non-OP geared to leave the game, Im sure they will be the first to let us all know. I mean, if I learn to do FWS, and solo Lunar, I have no need to buy anyones Crafting service, right?
Something someone may not have thought about here though - if Im not playing the game anymore, I also have no need for it, lolz.
It looks like they dont want anyone new playing, and no small or under-geared factions in TW - but I dont know that. It looks that way, but that might not be the goal.
It also looks like those who had every opportunity that this game has ever provided to a player, wants to see some of those opportunities removed for others.
How else could you possibly explain the changes to Abba and SoT? Instead of being upset about getting a recycled instance that is beneath them - the OP embrace the change, and wanna know why people who still need to do cultis in there, or as a normal lvl 99 BH arent so happy. *shrugs*
Just calling it like I see it, and its pretty funny to see how upset people get when something they are benefiting from gets questioned as much as the thing they left behind, and want to see nerfed. b:chuckle0 -
Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »I have theories about you too Bella, but alas, Im just too much of a Lady to share them with anyone.
Thanks for the personal attack post. We are all very impressed. b:chuckle
Oh it wasn't a attack post, neither a insult post.
It's just hard to have a discussion with you when you contradict everything you say, we reply something than you reply totally the opposite of what you previously said.
You make a thread about well geared players, I reply to that and you say you don't care about well geared players... why did you made the thread in first place then?
There's social and anti-social OP geared people, but same with non OP geared people.
Being social have nothing to do with gears or how much the person is good at his class.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »Oh it wasn't a attack post, neither a insult post.
It's just hard to have a discussion with you when you contradict everything you say, we reply something than you reply totally the opposite of what you previously said.
You make a thread about well geared players, I reply to that and you say you don't care about well geared players... why did you made the thread in first place then?
There's social and anti-social OP geared people, but same with non OP geared people.
Being social have nothing to do with gears or how much the person is good at his class.
Okies, thanks. To further criticize me, please go make a thread about me.
This one is obviously about the effect hypers and P-leveling has on those that already have p-leveled. Amazing they somehow figure they are the best to judge? xD0 -
As a representative of all those level 105s out there... I completely agree that we should disable hyper in PV/VoS... in fact... lets just remove hypers completely from the game.
FYI. PV was never solo-able for those who took advantage of it. How do you explain someone running PV 7ish times, considering it can only be opened once/day/character. Those of us who managed it have enough alts to fill a whole squad and more... especially those of us whose alt cleric have more hp than quiet a few bms out there.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Thank you for the post, Kiyoshi. b:thanks0
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I will be less anti social if the devs hadn't squeezed all the 150 levels of experience between 100 and 105 b:angry. Until they fix, you will have to live with my anti social behaviour.0
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Jaabg - Sanctuary wrote: »I will be less anti social if the devs hadn't squeezed all the 150 levels of experience between 100 and 105 b:angry. Until they fix, you will have to live with my anti social behaviour.
Awe diddums. Im sorry.
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Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »You have a point, but OP geared players do very little with non-OP geared squads. It would only make them more social, and better at squad dynamics for that. Some do TW with them, but little else.
If the high levels and OP geared are going to lead us all into the future of PW, they need to set the example - and not continue to benefit from what they dont want to see others doing.
They should be "practicing what they preach', shouldnt they? Or, maybe just get off their soapbox for a few minutes. It doesnt matter the quality of team dynamics in squads that one will never participate in anyway, does it?
1. Why would high levels and OP lead the future of PW...? That point seems to come out of no where and has no evidence to back it up.
2. You make a point about high levels and top geared people then make a statement about how you do not care about what they do. Then insult people that bring to notice your double facing stance.
3. Nothing is going to change if you have a squad requirement most people will just find friends or use alts to open and sit in instances if they have to. Which is what happens now anyway.
Finally, If you want to be a hypocrite please do it with people that enjoy it rather then to people that are actually trying to debate the point you brought forward.0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »
FYI. PV was never solo-able for those who took advantage of it. How do you explain someone running PV 7ish times, considering it can only be opened once/day/character. Those of us who managed it have enough alts to fill a whole squad and more... especially those of us whose alt cleric have more hp than quiet a few bms out there.
That is the reason why people squad less and less with other people.
People multi-client 6 accounts and go do BH, PV or w/e with their main and 5 alts.
I do like been able to log my shop and play on a other char in the same time, but multi-client is what is killing the game. People don't need to make squad with other people, they multi-client all their alts and solo everything.
If multi-client wasn't allowed people would have no choice to squad other people.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Lecus - Lost City wrote: »1. Why would high levels and OP lead the future of PW...? That point seems to come out of no where and has no evidence to back it up.
2. You make a point about high levels and top geared people then make a statement about how you do not care about what they do. Then insult people that bring to notice your double facing stance.
3. Nothing is going to change if you have a squad requirement most people will just find friends or use alts to open and sit in instances if they have to. Which is what happens now anyway.
Finally, If you want to be a hypocrite please do it with people that enjoy it rather then to people that are actually trying to debate the point you brought forward.
I dont have a double faced stance, Lecus. If anyone has a legitmate question they can certainly ask it. If they want to veil it in an insult, and rather opaquely as well, they just go.
I dont care what high levels do. I dont care what you do. I dont care what people who dont know me think about me.
I basically am saying here - and I thought I made it perfectly clear...
What is good for you, is good for me and vice versa. What is good for the goose, is good for the gander.
If all the OP and high levels are still going to be hypering in PV, many times solo, it only seems to me to be good training for the lower geared and lower leveled to be able to do the same in FC.
I dont want to call anyone a bunch of hypocrites, but really, lol.
Im not going to make fun of someone I know for a fact does not speak English as a first language for NOT being able to follow me. Bung...I mean, Bella and I know each other well enough without that.
Thanks for taking up for your friend though. b:victory0 -
Xx_BeLLa_xX - Harshlands wrote: »That is the reason why people squad less and less with other people.
People multi-client 6 accounts and go do BH, PV or w/e with their main and 5 alts.
I do like been able to log my shop and play on a other char in the same time, but multi-client is what is killing the game. People don't need to make squad with other people, they multi-client all their alts and solo everything.
If multi-client wasn't allowed people would have no choice to squad other people.
Totally agree. b:victory0 -
more than 2 is not allowed.... (having more than 2 accounts is not even allowed, but if you gotta ban all those, servers will be like the city of detroit.)Everything i write is from PvE perspective unless mentioned otherwise.0
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Some with more got grandfathered in when the rule was made.
That being said, the last BH I bothered doing was all one guy, and me - full squad.
He got 7 Million in cards for that run, while I got the coin share. THATS why you dont see people bothering to do stuff with others anymore. Even if you dont need the coin or drops, its just a rub to watch one player, or one faction in the run grab everything for themselves. *shrugs*0 -
WannaBM - Archosaur wrote: »more than 2 is not allowed.... (having more than 2 accounts is not even allowed, but if you gotta ban all those, servers will be like the city of detroit.)
Not allowed doesn't mean people don't do it.
A lot of people multi-client over 2 accounts in the same time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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