Should i roll a sin or just keep this blademaster?

I have a question for you how much do you like your bm in NW/mass pvp scenarios? (Arguably the best/most profitable instance in game) Casters rule the place in mass pvp areas. (Tab > 1 shot/2 shot tab and repeat. xD... and most of them are nigh impossible to kill these days thanks to the insane amount of p def they can get, and well a proc I would prefer not to mention. *cough* Also has quite a few ppl ranting about bms lack of well lots of things in it.)

I realize you are on a pvp server, but still there are a few simple truths that will remain regardless of what server you are on.

Sins will out damage bms with quite a considerable amount of ease. They even have quite a few skills that bms don't that allow the sin an easier time to get to others and potentially kill them. Whereas with bms... well they can't kill much at all without a considerable amount of luck/GOF axes, nor can they survive that well unless insanely well geared.

EDIT: xD I guess I didn't really answer your question... but yea that tidbit you might find useful, ultimately if you think you might regret (HUGE.. not little) switching chars then stick with the bm, otherwise take the risk, and see if you like it better on the sin.

KurtCobian - Harshlands wrote: »

I NW on my cleric. I don't pvp on my BM just use him to farm fc for money lol, I'm guessing i better roll a sin. qq

I can see why, I NW on my seeker, and I don't find it fair/solving the real issue... (with bms) being that they suck really badly in mass pvp. Again unless they are extremely well geared/dont mind not being able to get to over 90% of the server's population before getting owned/only having time for maybe 1-2 attacks before dying again. (I think a lot of people seem to agree with that sentiment with how few bms have stuck with the class for NW/mass pvp scenarios.

But yea... as I edited in my previous post. :$ If you think you might regret rerolling to sin, stick with the bm, otherwise take the 'risk' there is definitely some neat little perks on a sin compared to the bms. (Though yes every class has their strength/weakness... still... I think the class that sticks out like a unwanted black eye are the bm's. ... Sadly.)

I would say stick with your BM since you already have it. The BM is more versatile in they can use multiple weapons and use them well. Sins on the other hand have daggers and a bow with less defensive because of the nature of their gear.

Once you have your bm done, try out a sin for fun.

Stick to BM! You already have it, and with some farming on the BM, you could pretty much farm whatever really.

All classes can farm. It's just where, and how they do it. Plus, it's a nightmare trying to level your sin up to a point where it can level. Might as well continue with the BM. You've invested so much time and effort into it already!

You can do it. Good luck. f:grin

Use your BM to clean FC for sin. Sell room, leveling will be for free.
once you get the sin to 100 get g13/15 with -int, farm fc and tt. At this point if I had to roll another sin it would be sage one because as you build up in strength (gear and damage) you'll be able to take on much more stuff solo than a demon can.

I have both demon BM and demon sin, both 5 aps, sharing same gear except weapon. The numbers in pwcalc will show you that BM has better survival while the sin has better damage. It's not true, sin is just superior in every single aspect, and by a considerable margin.

If you only use it for farming purposes anyway keep your bm. You wont need a sin. Its a pain to level sin, more expensive to gear up sins and Bms have HA, better base hp, p def buff and marrows to solo bosses easy.

Sins suck ***, don't do it gg

KurtCobian - Harshlands wrote: »

now thing is it will cost 72m to get r8 for the sin and also hypering the sin will cost a ton of hypers.

Not 72m......
more like 720m

In TT theres a lot of bosses that are practically passive punching bags. You probably can farm them with your current or future build. Problem is, anyone can farm them and their drops are not worth anything. Exception to this would be 3-1 illusion Nemen and 3-2 deathflow. These are in the passive punching bag category and do drop something worthy. Minister could also be counted in this category, but you need to get past the other bosses before you can fight him.

Other than that, it is the 3 more difficult bosses you need to farm if you want something of value. Emperor, Steelation, Colluseast.

Steelation is mostly a matter of running when he APSes. Still, i think it is challenging for your build as a buddy of mine with a better equiped BM has problems with it.

Colluseast is a matter of resisting his purge and resisting/purifying his amp. The stonger you are, the more leeway you have. For me, i can handle him if only one of those 2 comes trough. Someone more OP than me will have the luxury to totally ignore everything and just brute force whack him. You have no luxury at all. Even though i can surive 1 but not both of those attacks, i do not solo this guy because often he does these attacks so regularly that i do not have the means to resist them anyway. For you imo it will be totally impossible. Either way, you surely want to be 5aps. Not so much for the extra damage output, but for the more frequent resist/purify/heal from sparks.

Emperor does lots of shizzly, it bubbles you, it slows you, stuns you. Surely you can resist some of it, but its just a lot of **** happening. Dont dream about taking this guy in your equipment. I dont try it solo in mine either. Again, be 5aps. Duoing with a cleric is great here as he will aim all his ****ty attacks at the cleric

Of course a charm could help with most of the problems. Charmed i can solo them all, but it takes away most or all of the profit so thats useless.

Lots of people here like to say that it all depends on skills and skilled people can solo TT with cheap equipment. I think they like to try and show themselves skilled or they are not talking about these 3 bosses. Reallity is different. Those i did see solo those each of those 3 bosses are 2billion coin characters. Ye or charmed, which is nice to show that you can do it, but not nice to farm for profit.

Had a leader with a pretty epic bm/cleric mix. Seems to do well. Heck it makes me want to spend time on my BM. Although I really shouldn't.

Idk anything about your server, but on ours the golden age of aps farming is over.
I once sold e.g. antennas and ape's tail for 450-550k each (or raps for 1.5-2m each).
Even gold mats like illusion stone sell for just 6-7m now.
You still can make coins in HH ofc, but now it's too late for the big money.
I'm sure in a few month we won't make any coins with nation wars too.

Atm spamming BH100s (with many alts) and treasure map quests (only at 2x drop ofc) is the way to go. And maybe selling 3rd cast service (if you have the reputation and the ppl to spam fast WS runs).

In cv (non-BH way) you can still make some coins if some friends wants to get exploited by you. There is also abit money in full gv (MTFs are at 60-70k now, once they did sell for 200k).

Idk if sharding service will give an income in the future (with g10 shards from weekly aba/sot). On our server it's not a common business (yet). Since ppl recognized how it works, one run is done within 20-30mins. It might kill the income you get by killing wbs (but only a few ppl had a chance to do this anyway).

A little income is still selling frost, wg tm or lunar tm (price is maybe 30-50% of what it was).

You won't need any aps toon/sin for all those ways to make coins. Our r999 or nv g16 gear is strong enough to beat everything very fast and even more save.

SHIMBERLY - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Im saying this because I run all toons..so yea.

real arguments do better than a hollow post backed by this claim really.

Ursa - Dreamweaver wrote: »

The damage difference is not just 10% as someone said here, it's about 30% without powerdash and no, HF does not makes up for it.

Do you maybe have calcs to show this ?

my 10% comes from calc experimentation and the 20% between barb and sin comes from everyday experience where i keep agro from sins as long as i have higher refines providing me about 20% more weapon damage. And that is even with my 100 vit statted !

Build a sin. Bm is the worse class in pwi atm.

being a sin u can get full r9, and be one of the most powerfull dph in game.

Bm sucks....u cant get a pure build, ur skills dmg arent that big, even if u can reach easily 25k magic ress as a bm, mages will still pwn u couse u wont have the dmg to kill those ****.

chi is a problem that there is not a way to fix it, couse if u use white tea all the time, u wont be able to use ig or other apoths, while other classes might triple spark in ur face.


stick to ur sin, build it for farming first and then for pvp.

Walpurga - Dreamweaver wrote: »

does this guy look like he can afford an r9rr pvp alt

u are thinking in just short terms. perhaps one day he can, and he will regret the day he started to build his bm and not other class.

cough cough...i am on of that person. BM sucks!!