Remove starting hp&mp charms....

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  • Riverwell - Archosaur
    Riverwell - Archosaur Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    This is making me laugh so hard. The lvl one charms changed nothing about beginner gameplay. Absolutely nothing.

    The charms you get from lvl 1 are timed 24 hours. You can't burn charm at levels before 10 because the mobs don't hit you that hard, even figuring things for the first time it's very difficult to get yourself below 1/2 hp. Not to mention the mobs don't start aggroing via being close to them until about lvl 15. Maybe, maybe you can burn some of your mana charm, but that's pretty irrelevant in terms of making it "easier", just less time consuming.

    Plus, it's not like below 20s never had access to charms. Since the release of PWI you've gotten one for doing your jump quest and (at least the humans got) one from a mini-boss type thing. That helped with the 'accidentally aggro more than one mob' problem.

    If anything the 24 hour lvl 1 charms are for making the player feel like they got something cool, not actually something that helps much.
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  • DionDagger - Dreamweaver
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,140 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Honestly I'm all for the charms. I play my alts up til around lv40 before I stick em in FC bc its so easy to get there in a day or so (and FC doesnt provide enough spirit for skills). They help do a lot of culti bosses on toons that I would prefer to do myself. I am even able to solo PV on my lv38 (now 56) seeker with the free charms.
  • ovenusarmanio
    ovenusarmanio Posts: 6,695 Community Moderator
    edited September 2013
    Riverwell - Archosaur wrote: »
    This is making me laugh so hard. The lvl one charms changed nothing about beginner gameplay. Absolutely nothing.

    The charms you get from lvl 1 are timed 24 hours. You can't burn charm at levels before 10 because the mobs don't hit you that hard, even figuring things for the first time it's very difficult to get yourself below 1/2 hp. Not to mention the mobs don't start aggroing via being close to them until about lvl 15. Maybe, maybe you can burn some of your mana charm, but that's pretty irrelevant in terms of making it "easier", just less time consuming.

    Plus, it's not like below 20s never had access to charms. Since the release of PWI you've gotten one for doing your jump quest and (at least the humans got) one from a mini-boss type thing. That helped with the 'accidentally aggro more than one mob' problem.

    If anything the 24 hour lvl 1 charms are for making the player feel like they got something cool, not actually something that helps much.


    They help you to do some of the lower culti bosses yourself, and some of the lowbie bosses. For example my seeker solo'ed chi'in and dismal using them, and my charm was ticking enough I know I would've at least needed a healer to do it if not for the charm. So it replaced needing a cleric for a few things, which is nice. Since good luck finding one your level.

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  • Tigriss_o - Raging Tide
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    DionDagger - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Honestly I'm all for the charms. I play my alts up til around lv40 before I stick em in FC bc its so easy to get there in a day or so (and FC doesnt provide enough spirit for skills). They help do a lot of culti bosses on toons that I would prefer to do myself. I am even able to solo PV on my lv38 (now 56) seeker with the free charms.

    I've only done FC twice didn't like it. I still prefer going it alone. no quick lvling for me

    As for the charms they don't make much difference. Unless you stay awake for 24 hours straight and don't eat or use the rest room only half the time is useable.
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  • bobyjoee
    bobyjoee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    You realize a growing concern/issue is that lower lvls aren't getting the help they need? Since there really are no new players and all the lowbies have lvl 100+ alts to do all their things for them the REAL lowbies don't have anyone helping them and there aren't enough of them to band together and form a reliable, timely session of doing quests that involve multiple people, and with no helping = little progression = quitting. New people help the game alot and I would hate to see the state get any worse because we took away something that helped people in the beginning, as stated above the charms would have replaced a hard to find non existent cleric. I for one am very grateful they have them. Don't like them? don't use them its as simple as that, don't rain on someone elses parade.
  • Riverwell - Archosaur
    Riverwell - Archosaur Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    oVenusArmanio wrote: »
    They help you to do some of the lower culti bosses yourself, and some of the lowbie bosses. For example my seeker solo'ed chi'in and dismal using them, and my charm was ticking enough I know I would've at least needed a healer to do it if not for the charm. So it replaced needing a cleric for a few things, which is nice. Since good luck finding one your level.

    You're not going to get to those bosses with the 24hr charms you get at lvl 1, especially not as a player who's completely new to the game.
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  • bobyjoee
    bobyjoee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Riverwell - Archosaur wrote: »
    You're not going to get to those bosses with the 24hr charms you get at lvl 1, especially not as a player who's completely new to the game.

    you do realize that you can get these charms everyday right? its not a one time only 24 hour thing.
  • Countessia - Dreamweaver
    Countessia - Dreamweaver Posts: 33 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Have you considered that this is possibly a way for PWI to make content easier a bit on new players to help appeal to questing early on? Currently people just take 30 minutes and whip out a fast FC to get from 1-50. Why are we even complaining about charms for low levels? If players are doing content for that level range, I am happy to see it at all.
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  • Riverwell - Archosaur
    Riverwell - Archosaur Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    bobyjoee wrote: »
    you do realize that you can get these charms everyday right? its not a one time only 24 hour thing.

    No, I didn't actually. I haven't been on a lower lvl character in awhile. b:surrender
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  • Tigriss_o - Raging Tide
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    bobyjoee wrote: »
    you do realize that you can get these charms everyday right? its not a one time only 24 hour thing.

    What???? ~Kicks the NPC~ why you give my little Veno only one?
    Whats the cut off level for those charms?
    I probably lvled too quickly
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  • PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,507 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide wrote: »
    What???? ~Kicks the NPC~ why you give my little Veno only one?
    Whats the cut off level for those charms?
    I probably lvled too quickly

    uum either lvl60 or lvl80
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  • Tigriss_o - Raging Tide
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    PotatoHeadQR - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    uum either lvl60 or lvl80
    ok then that's not it. Yay another glitched toon lol
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  • singhay
    singhay Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    b:chuckle
  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Tbh its already for 20+
    Once you do some low lv quests and grab the lucid and Questmaster quests, they already 20+
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  • Riverwell - Archosaur
    Riverwell - Archosaur Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide wrote: »
    ok then that's not it. Yay another glitched toon lol
    I think that level cutoff is wrong, because I hopped on one of my alts, and I couldn't get it again.
    So I'm still resolved to think that it doesn't change that much in terms of lower lvl gameplay. (Unless I'm completely missing something? idk)
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Tbh its already for 20+
    Once you do some low lv quests and grab the lucid and Questmaster quests, they already 20+
    xD

    ikr? I feel like if anything makes lvling easier for lowbies it's these added things, not the hp and mp charms.
    (although I didn't find out about the questmaster quests until a couple weeks ago and it was pretty cool to get all that exp at 8x :p)
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  • Kittennice - Heavens Tear
    Kittennice - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,744 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Riverwell - Archosaur wrote: »

    ikr? I feel like if anything makes lvling easier for lowbies it's these added things, not the hp and mp charms.
    (although I didn't find out about the questmaster quests until a couple weeks ago and it was pretty cool to get all that exp at 8x :p)

    Aye, it is
    Charms help with bosses which sometimes people won't help them with

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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    *votes* No, keep the charms. They are annoying and can build up in those small inventories, but it will encourage people to play and learn their class. f:sneaky
  • Nibaki - Heavens Tear
    Nibaki - Heavens Tear Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Brillance - Raging Tide wrote: »
    *votes* No, keep the charms. They are annoying and can build up in those small inventories, but it will encourage people to play and learn their class. f:sneaky

    So a cleric tanking 5 mobs with an hp charm at level 15 will help learn their class?
  • Walpurga - Dreamweaver
    Walpurga - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,028 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Nibaki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So a cleric tanking 5 mobs with an hp charm at level 15 will help learn their class?

    a cleric tanking 5 mobs while practicing charm saving will be a better cleric than the chroma spammers
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Nibaki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    So a cleric tanking 5 mobs with an hp charm at level 15 will help learn their class?

    Why not? Just because they have a little charm with 10 or 15K HP/MP on it doesnt mean it will last forever. Just because they stay alive doesnt mean the little charm will keep the barb tanking alive. Neither charm is going to keep anyone debuffed - only the cleric's purify will do that. In fact, one could look at it as totally worthless to them, except for giving them a false sense of security for about 15 to 20 minutes. If its not giving them an unfair advantage, I dont see why it should be removed.

    They can choose not to use one if they dont want to to.

    They can also learn to DD while doing quests on their own, and not drop like a mosquito approaching a Bug Zapper. They might even get a chance to at least learn to heal themselves while they are out there alone.

    Finally, chances are the OP-geared Main on the account already uses platinum charms anyway. Why should their cleric toon suddenly be the one to learn to play their class without charms?

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  • Krixxus - Heavens Tear
    Krixxus - Heavens Tear Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    people seriously moaning about the low lvls getting little charms? :/
  • Slivaf - Dreamweaver
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,106 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Not saying this is a bad thing, nor am I necessarily QQing about it.

    There is a number of things that has made getting from 1-20ish far easier than it used to be. (in no particular order)

    1. Hypers anyone? (notice I am not mentioning anything about fc babies. (ok so I technically did, but this isn't what I mean)<<.. It is so more about WHO is behind the character, some people do asinine things even on their mains that they leveled via the long way... hell I also think this way (via alt fcs) allowed for a bit more time for learning a character at least a little than goons did. Again not qqing, merely stating a fact/opinion of mine)

    2. Flyers. Its much easier to obtain a flyer these days then when I/others first started this game... thanks to the supply stash.

    3. Perfect Questmaster/lucidsilver agent. (not to mention the envoy's)

    4. Supply Stash. (Yes it comes with that flyer but still it has made things easier for newcomers.)

    5. Dreamchaser codes.

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    Much like beauty is in the eye of the beholder... just add a "The" in front of beauty, an "of an update" in between beauty and is... and bam you got a saying that is true for all updates/games. To make it simpler... it would read like this: The beauty of an update (you can switch out pretty much any thing that has difference of opinions with that word) is in the eye of the beholder. To repeat: The beauty of an update is in the eye of the beholder.

    (Sorry I found it a bit confusing reading it back to myself, ergo the reiterations.)

    EDIT: To be fair, how many of us could honestly say we would have known to abuse these thing(s) back when we first joined this game, I am sure we would have eventually found out/someone may have told us... still I can't help but wonder how much of this is simply because we learned some of the in's and out's of leveling up faster thanks to our mains benefiting from each of the things I/others have mentioned?
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  • Brillance - Raging Tide
    Brillance - Raging Tide Posts: 1,643 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Slivaf - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    EDIT: To be fair, how many of us could honestly say we would have known to abuse these thing(s) back when we first joined this game, I am sure we would have eventually found out/someone may have told us... still I can't help but wonder how much of this is simply because we learned some of the in's and out's of leveling up faster thanks to our mains benefiting from each of the things I/others have mentioned?

    I totally agree. Im a normal person, I dont play games, or design them, for a living. Im not the type to study a game, and learn all the tricks before I have even selected a toon. Im the type to jump right in, feet first, and learn as I go. xD

    I learn about everything as I go. I call it 'noobing around' and its fun for me. At best, the only thing Im worrying about is getting a decent build going. That's as much as I can handle, and still think Im playing a game. b:chuckle

    The people who start every char as a Science Project arent wrong to do that either. Im sure its fun for them. Its fun for me to post on the forums and ask the Math guys questions - cause I stink at Math. >.<

    Reading is a solo experience, asking somebody is a social one. MMOs are social games. Anyway, as you say, to each his own (in effect).b:victory
  • Tigriss_o - Raging Tide
    Tigriss_o - Raging Tide Posts: 625 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    Riverwell - Archosaur wrote: »
    I think that level cutoff is wrong, because I hopped on one of my alts, and I couldn't get it again.
    So I'm still resolved to think that it doesn't change that much in terms of lower lvl gameplay. (Unless I'm completely missing something? idk)
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    IDK I did get her to level 22 in 3 hours thanks to all the free fruits and stuff from npcs so the cap might be 20
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