How Inbalanced Can This Game Be??

So, basically what you're trying to say is: Every class is broken except wizard.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

So on Raging tides, we tried some organised PK 3 vs 3...thinking that 2 vs 2, the WOW model, would not work due to clerics and their disablers. This is what we discovered:

Clerics in 3 vs 3 are broken. Not only they rezz their dead companions multiple times but the sleep time and the fact that there is no genie skill to break out from sleep, is insane. Who heard of 20 sec+ of sleep where you cannot move anything?

Seal of God in clerics is also another deal breaker...

Purge is another one, archers can purge, so do venos, barbs, BMs....with their 1 chance purge pole...as for other classes? Purge is a huge game changer...

Zerk crit...I will not complain about this anymore, many have...sick to get 4 times the amount you make.

Sins in 3 vs 3 are ....the 2nd broken class. They pop up their protections and a fully buffed 28k hp sin can ravage.

You can see some videos here but the matter of the fact is...3 vs 3 it is not a viable option for PWI at this time.

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=1621291


Maybe 5 vs 5 could be, like in other games like ***.


Anyhow, I am not sure if my input matters or not but I will state it anyhow.

Wizards? Most insane damage, and best arcane phys buff, hardest class to hold down plus most OP debuff in the game.
Seekers? Tankiest Buff ever plus zerk crit metal plus chi-less anti stun and freeze and 2nd most op debuff in the game
Mystics? 1 skill heal, insane CC, tankiest arcane class with heal+purify
Psychic? Chi-less seal pretty much every other hit or so at end game, black voodoo to make up for lack of spike damage.

My view is that bms have it worst off.
Archers are not THAT op.
Barbs are pretty OP if they're played well.
But yes clerics and sins have little that's bad about their class, especially since sins have true and real evasion and crazy attack levels.
Faith is such a demanding skill in terms of affinity and energy it should purify seal of god.

ever wondered what a psy with heart of steel and that phy. resist buff on them can do to any amount of phy. dd group? b:shocked **** gets real. m tellin ya. b:sad

The game is not really balanced around specific scenarios. Some classes are obviously better at larger fights than at smaller fights.

I think both winged elf classes are better at group fights than 1v1, with cleric obviously better in smaller sized squads than archers because of their disables.

Archer really sucks in smaller fights because they add nothing to the table except damage, and their damage isn't even the best. In those cases seekers zerk critting metal and physical damage is going to be better than archer in every way.

What you mentioned are simply descriptions of the classes, although res/buffs/disables on a cleric are fantastic.. I wouldn't consider them "broken" because other classes have fantastic skills too (eas get a ranged purge that has a chance to work on auto attacks, wiz have insane damage with undine + spark.. etc). I watched the first video in the linked thread (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2IOKOKZybM&feature=youtu.be) and noticed a number of mistakes (some of which you mentioned in the video). I think it is difficult to judge class balance when either or both sides do not play optimally.

Fight 1 -

• as you mentioned.. you should have went for the ep first, crazy not to when it can easily res whoever else you kill
• your ep was using plume shell against 3 magic classes?
• @0:38 you try to sutra spark an end game ep without undine and while he is at full hp? The sog popped up almost the same time as when you sutra'd him.. so that is pretty much unavoidable, but I still think it would have been wasted chi/genie spark with or without the sog.
• @1:01, your cleric was getting focused and losing hp quick.. instead of healing themself or taking some defensive action, wield thunder a full hp psychic that is buffed? It is very likely he could have made it through that situation with just a couple wellsprings (guardian light or elemental shell or apoth could also have been used). He should not have died there. Also why doesn't he have res scrolls then it is clearly stated in your rules that they are allowed?
• 1:16 you stun yourself on sos for no reason

Fight 2 -

• as you mention, you should have killed the ep first..
• @2:58, you again stun yourself on sos.. had ages to see and react to it, really no excuse for that happening
• @3:18 Arawin sleeps you then immediately wakes you with a plume shot? rofl
• @3:22 you again stun yourself on sos.. and again that should have been easily avoidable
• @3:51 you sutra spark Arawin when he is taking 10% damage.. no reason you shouldn't have seen that and held off ~10 more seconds.
• @4:14, your ep tries to sog an immune target (wasn't even close to when immunity was going to end either)

Fight 3 -

• as you mention.. sutra spark combo on a tidal'd sin is not a good idea
• you might consider using sutra power apoth rather than IG some of the time, perfect example being @5:50.. it purifies you, doesn't require genie energy (fortify), and gets you immune faster. Most of the time 6 seconds is plenty enough to get through your next charm tick, and then any debuffs (such as bloodvow) are off, dots can't kill you, and you have more genie energy left over.

Fight 4 -

• @7:13, you should have undined your target first.. spark alone on buffed targets is not very effective. You probably should have seen the immune before wasting spark too, but that was relatively close so it is understandable

Fight 5 -

• @8:29, your target used dew.. why in the world didn't you switch targets..?

Also you don't seem to be using auto-pot, which seems crazy to me. And your fows were terrible.. you were trying to seal people that weren't even attacking.. and on more than one occasion missed a kill shot because you used fow instead. This post may come off as overly critical, but that is not the intent. I just do not agree with comment at the end "This is pretty much how fights should go", I think you and your team were not being nearly as effective as you could have been.. and the classes are relatively well balanced at end game gear and when everyone is equally skilled.

Spell_Caster - Raging Tide wrote: »

You are right, forgot about the power of faith. Your sense of irony is outstanding! b:laugh

Good now you remember

To herp derp on each other. And get mad when someone pk's you.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

What you mentioned are simply descriptions of the classes, although res/buffs/disables on a cleric are fantastic.. I wouldn't consider them "broken" because other classes have fantastic skills too (eas get a ranged purge that has a chance to work on auto attacks, wiz have insane damage with undine + spark.. etc). I watched the first video in the linked thread (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2IOKOKZybM&feature=youtu.be) and noticed a number of mistakes (some of which you mentioned in the video). I think it is difficult to judge class balance when either or both sides do not play optimally.

Fight 1 -

• as you mentioned.. you should have went for the ep first, crazy not to when it can easily res whoever else you kill
• your ep was using plume shell against 3 magic classes?
• @0:38 you try to sutra spark an end game ep without undine and while he is at full hp? The sog popped up almost the same time as when you sutra'd him.. so that is pretty much unavoidable, but I still think it would have been wasted chi/genie spark with or without the sog.
• @1:01, your cleric was getting focused and losing hp quick.. instead of healing themself or taking some defensive action, wield thunder a full hp psychic that is buffed? It is very likely he could have made it through that situation with just a couple wellsprings (guardian light or elemental shell or apoth could also have been used). He should not have died there. Also why doesn't he have res scrolls then it is clearly stated in your rules that they are allowed?
• 1:16 you stun yourself on sos for no reason

Fight 2 -

• as you mention, you should have killed the ep first..
• @2:58, you again stun yourself on sos.. had ages to see and react to it, really no excuse for that happening
• @3:18 Arawin sleeps you then immediately wakes you with a plume shot? rofl
• @3:22 you again stun yourself on sos.. and again that should have been easily avoidable
• @3:51 you sutra spark Arawin when he is taking 10% damage.. no reason you shouldn't have seen that and held off ~10 more seconds.
• @4:14, your ep tries to sog an immune target (wasn't even close to when immunity was going to end either)

Fight 3 -

• as you mention.. sutra spark combo on a tidal'd sin is not a good idea
• you might consider using sutra power apoth rather than IG some of the time, perfect example being @5:50.. it purifies you, doesn't require genie energy (fortify), and gets you immune faster. Most of the time 6 seconds is plenty enough to get through your next charm tick, and then any debuffs (such as bloodvow) are off, dots can't kill you, and you have more genie energy left over.

Fight 4 -

• @7:13, you should have undined your target first.. spark alone on buffed targets is not very effective. You probably should have seen the immune before wasting spark too, but that was relatively close so it is understandable

Fight 5 -

• @8:29, your target used dew.. why in the world didn't you switch targets..?

Also you don't seem to be using auto-pot, which seems crazy to me. And your fows were terrible.. you were trying to seal people that weren't even attacking.. and on more than one occasion missed a kill shot because you used fow instead. This post may come off as overly critical, but that is not the intent. I just do not agree with comment at the end "This is pretty much how fights should go", I think you and your team were not being nearly as effective as you could have been.. and the classes are relatively well balanced at end game gear and when everyone is equally skilled.

Please Master of PVP do not laugh so hard at those QQme clerics because me and My wife Mrs_Mav aka Mrs_Mine laugh at them enough already. Most clerics in those videos have terrible Pk exp and have the strategy of a rockb:bye

Practice makes perfect GG b:laugh